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10-16-09, 10:01 PM
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These Dellorto 48s I some of us run top out at 400CFM, and the kits are common on both 6 port 13Bs and 4 port 12As. Sterling's site has a calculator for airflow needed (much like GSL-SE Addict or Kent posted up, a preriferal ported 13B at 9k RPM only needs like 450 or 500CFM max, so streetable stock or street ported 13Bs and under should be fine with anything that flows 400CFM or more. And the larger that number gets above the maximum the engine needs, the more low end performance will suffer.
ONE more "also", the 6 port manifolds can't exceed 400CFM so I don't see how a 465 is too little flow. Roland, you keep saying "can't flow that much fuel", I hope you know CFM measurements measure flow of AIR not FUEL.
Not trying to gang up on you Roland, but I honestly think the Holley 600 kits are to make more money, and people just assume bigger is better, but with carbs, overkill can be bad. You should read through www.sterlingmetalworks.com despite the hard to read font, that site has a lot of useful information.
That being said, you should still be careful Kevin, 3 blown motors within a month and everyone is going to start narrowing the common factors between the catastophes as your ownership, so don't cut any corners when researching or installing. No ghetto rigged clamps ties or gaskets.
10-16-09, 10:50 PM
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Here is another thing to comfort both you, and Let Roland know.
These Dellorto 48s I some of us run top out at 400CFM, and the kits are common on both 6 port 13Bs and 4 port 12As. Sterling's site has a calculator for airflow needed (much like GSL-SE Addict or Kent posted up, a preriferal ported 13B at 9k RPM only needs like 450 or 500CFM max, so streetable stock or street ported 13Bs and under should be fine with anything that flows 400CFM or more. And the larger that number gets above the maximum the engine needs, the more low end performance will suffer.
ONE more "also", the 6 port manifolds can't exceed 400CFM so I don't see how a 465 is too little flow. Roland, you keep saying "can't flow that much fuel", I hope you know CFM measurements measure flow of AIR not FUEL.
Not trying to gang up on you Roland, but I honestly think the Holley 600 kits are to make more money, and people just assume bigger is better, but with carbs, overkill can be bad. You should read through www.sterlingmetalworks.com despite the hard to read font, that site has a lot of useful information.
That being said, you should still be careful Kevin, 3 blown motors within a month and everyone is going to start narrowing the common factors between the catastophes as your ownership, so don't cut any corners when researching or installing. No ghetto rigged clamps ties or gaskets.
These Dellorto 48s I some of us run top out at 400CFM, and the kits are common on both 6 port 13Bs and 4 port 12As. Sterling's site has a calculator for airflow needed (much like GSL-SE Addict or Kent posted up, a preriferal ported 13B at 9k RPM only needs like 450 or 500CFM max, so streetable stock or street ported 13Bs and under should be fine with anything that flows 400CFM or more. And the larger that number gets above the maximum the engine needs, the more low end performance will suffer.
ONE more "also", the 6 port manifolds can't exceed 400CFM so I don't see how a 465 is too little flow. Roland, you keep saying "can't flow that much fuel", I hope you know CFM measurements measure flow of AIR not FUEL.
Not trying to gang up on you Roland, but I honestly think the Holley 600 kits are to make more money, and people just assume bigger is better, but with carbs, overkill can be bad. You should read through www.sterlingmetalworks.com despite the hard to read font, that site has a lot of useful information.
That being said, you should still be careful Kevin, 3 blown motors within a month and everyone is going to start narrowing the common factors between the catastophes as your ownership, so don't cut any corners when researching or installing. No ghetto rigged clamps ties or gaskets.
10-16-09, 10:58 PM
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Yes i know it is air - CFM = Cubic feet per minute. I had a 6 port 13b back in the day that would not run right with the 465. I could never get it to even out. It was always fat so the plugs were always loading up. Went back to the stock GSLSE injection and problem was solved. The difference in price from the 465 to the 600 is only about $100.00 - I have seen the sterling site before and it does have alot of valuable info. I have seen Nikki's run 9 seconds in the quarter but you have to know how to jet and tune a carb which is kinda hard for a newbie which is running out of money and time. Remember 6k in 2 cars and neither run. I know it has to get frustrating. Install the Racing Beat 600 without doing anything and it would run good without hiccups. That was my point.
Anymore positive news on Sexypants II?
10-16-09, 11:20 PM
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Here is another thing to comfort both you, and Let Roland know.
These Dellorto 48s I some of us run top out at 400CFM, and the kits are common on both 6 port 13Bs and 4 port 12As. Sterling's site has a calculator for airflow needed (much like GSL-SE Addict or Kent posted up, a preriferal ported 13B at 9k RPM only needs like 450 or 500CFM max, so streetable stock or street ported 13Bs and under should be fine with anything that flows 400CFM or more. And the larger that number gets above the maximum the engine needs, the more low end performance will suffer.
ONE more "also", the 6 port manifolds can't exceed 400CFM so I don't see how a 465 is too little flow. Roland, you keep saying "can't flow that much fuel", I hope you know CFM measurements measure flow of AIR not FUEL.
Not trying to gang up on you Roland, but I honestly think the Holley 600 kits are to make more money, and people just assume bigger is better, but with carbs, overkill can be bad. You should read through www.sterlingmetalworks.com despite the hard to read font, that site has a lot of useful information.
That being said, you should still be careful Kevin, 3 blown motors within a month and everyone is going to start narrowing the common factors between the catastophes as your ownership, so don't cut any corners when researching or installing. No ghetto rigged clamps ties or gaskets.
These Dellorto 48s I some of us run top out at 400CFM, and the kits are common on both 6 port 13Bs and 4 port 12As. Sterling's site has a calculator for airflow needed (much like GSL-SE Addict or Kent posted up, a preriferal ported 13B at 9k RPM only needs like 450 or 500CFM max, so streetable stock or street ported 13Bs and under should be fine with anything that flows 400CFM or more. And the larger that number gets above the maximum the engine needs, the more low end performance will suffer.
ONE more "also", the 6 port manifolds can't exceed 400CFM so I don't see how a 465 is too little flow. Roland, you keep saying "can't flow that much fuel", I hope you know CFM measurements measure flow of AIR not FUEL.
Not trying to gang up on you Roland, but I honestly think the Holley 600 kits are to make more money, and people just assume bigger is better, but with carbs, overkill can be bad. You should read through www.sterlingmetalworks.com despite the hard to read font, that site has a lot of useful information.
That being said, you should still be careful Kevin, 3 blown motors within a month and everyone is going to start narrowing the common factors between the catastophes as your ownership, so don't cut any corners when researching or installing. No ghetto rigged clamps ties or gaskets.
And Roland, what do you mean it didn't run right and even out? I mean, for right now, I need this car to run up and down the road maybe 10-15 miles at a time, not even on the highway until I can afford a 600...
I suppose the only way I'll be able to find out is to do it. And figure out what works and what doesn't. If I blow this motor, I guess I'll just invest in a really nice bicycle. At least I can't break that...
I don't think....
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10-16-09, 11:25 PM
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I haven't modified either of these cars until now. So no ghettoness was being going on. I honestly wouldn't doubt if this is my fault due to the way I drive. I do tend to be heavy on that far right pedal, and I need to fix that. And I won't be like that once the 13B gets running again. I'm almost positive I killed the GSL-SE in the first place with my retarded attempt to jump start it and putting the clamps on backwards...
And Roland, what do you mean it didn't run right and even out? I mean, for right now, I need this car to run up and down the road maybe 10-15 miles at a time, not even on the highway until I can afford a 600...
I suppose the only way I'll be able to find out is to do it. And figure out what works and what doesn't. If I blow this motor, I guess I'll just invest in a really nice bicycle. At least I can't break that...
I don't think....
Quad
And Roland, what do you mean it didn't run right and even out? I mean, for right now, I need this car to run up and down the road maybe 10-15 miles at a time, not even on the highway until I can afford a 600...
I suppose the only way I'll be able to find out is to do it. And figure out what works and what doesn't. If I blow this motor, I guess I'll just invest in a really nice bicycle. At least I can't break that...
I don't think....
Quad
10-16-09, 11:26 PM
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But for a DD for a week or two until I can save to get a 600, it will survive right?
And I'm selling the SE body because I like the red body better. It's in better shape than the SE body, and the windshield wipers actually work, which is always a positive since it's rained all week...
Quad
And I'm selling the SE body because I like the red body better. It's in better shape than the SE body, and the windshield wipers actually work, which is always a positive since it's rained all week...
Quad
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10-16-09, 11:33 PM
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Yes - according to some guys on here it may work great. Everyone has their own carb opinions. Tell someone you have a 750 double pumper on a 13b street port and they will say thats crazy. The brown RX3 loves it and flat out hauls ***! Windshield wipers is probably the motor or a fuse which is an easy fix. I would have kept the suspension.
10-16-09, 11:40 PM
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Yes - according to some guys on here it may work great. Everyone has their own carb opinions. Tell someone you have a 750 double pumper on a 13b street port and they will say thats crazy. The brown RX3 loves it and flat out hauls ***! Windshield wipers is probably the motor or a fuse which is an easy fix. I would have kept the suspension.
Motor first, then the cool stuff. Plus, I need as much money as possible to fund the purchase of a 600. I found a guy who will sell me one for $450 shipped. That's full deal, air cleaner to manifold. So I'll even have a spare 12A RB manifold to sell. But right now, I need like a week or two (unless Ray or Ben will advance me more money to get the 600, then they can have all their stuff sooner) to be able to afford it.
Unless someone wants to be super generous and lend me about $250 to get it, and I swear I will pay them back as soon as possible...
Quad
10-16-09, 11:51 PM
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I don't recomend this as even an option man, borrowing money can break families apart, with this kind of stuff going around a car club there is no telling what kind of drama or problems it would bring. Not saying you aren't good for the money, but that's pushing the OGTA favors into dangerous territory.
10-16-09, 11:58 PM
#7962
I'd rather it not even go that route. I'd like to sell enough stuff to get that money and pay for it outright. But if someone was willing, I'd accept, just because I'd be able to get the rest of the money from Ben for the body, and Ray's money for the motor so much faster.
Quad
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10-17-09, 12:27 AM
#7964
kevin next time u disconnect the lines from the pump stick a bolt in it, use vice grip pliers(preferably needle nose) to crimp the hose, or fold it back onto itself to close off the fuel, to stop it from running out. and roland, it's all good. we all give advise based on our own personal experience. thanx gsl-se addict, i couldn't remember who it was that had the formula nor the time to find since i was at work and on a break.
holy i would soooo love to join in on the b3r run. but looks like finances have really put a damper on me making any kind of meets til probably the middle of 2010. i'll have my mobile home paid for by then and that'll be a huge load off my shoulders. but then i'll be looking for some land to put it on so i can get out this damn park and a garage to finally be able to start doing the things i can't do here.
holy i would soooo love to join in on the b3r run. but looks like finances have really put a damper on me making any kind of meets til probably the middle of 2010. i'll have my mobile home paid for by then and that'll be a huge load off my shoulders. but then i'll be looking for some land to put it on so i can get out this damn park and a garage to finally be able to start doing the things i can't do here.
10-17-09, 12:31 AM
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It was running lean when we first put it on. Our plugs readings were almost white. I do not remember if it was a Racing Beat carb or just a regular 465 which my be jetted different. This was a long time ago when I was in high school. We re-jetted it and it was too much fuel so yes it was rich.
10-17-09, 12:42 AM
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comment on the wiper issue. this buddy of mine, bill, had bought an 83 gsl. didn't know til it rained that the wipers didn't work. i told him, what i had experienced with mine when they slowly stopped working. the shaft on the drivers side that the arm bolts to was corroded. his was the same way only it had burnt the motor up. it was obvious once we got it apart cause u could smell it. thanx to ray for the whole assembly, i was able to get the wipers on bills car working again. so u may be looking at the same situation. take the wiper assembly out, remove the rod that connects both wipers together, then plug the motor back in and see if the motor works. that's how i found out it was the motor after ruling out fuse and wiring with a test light.
10-17-09, 12:47 AM
#7968
And I'll try that with the windshield wipers. Crit told me something about that, how it got all corroded together. He said to take it apart, and throw some anti-sieze on it.
Quad
10-17-09, 12:56 AM
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It was running lean when we first put it on. Our plugs readings were almost white. I do not remember if it was a Racing Beat carb or just a regular 465 which my be jetted different. This was a long time ago when I was in high school. We re-jetted it and it was too much fuel so yes it was rich.
10-17-09, 04:47 AM
#7972
Kent's a genius but Roland's idea of replacing the 465 with a 600 could snag me a 465 Holley and manifold down the road for a reasonable price....
Let me know how it goes Quad, maybe we can work a package deal, the whole kit and caboodle.
Let me know how it goes Quad, maybe we can work a package deal, the whole kit and caboodle.
10-17-09, 06:40 AM
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10-17-09, 08:18 AM
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Sometimes the wipers will seize beyond repair, but usually you can work them free and lube them up. Normally it is the wiper rack the gets stuck as opposed to the motor being bad. Mine was so seized, that I had to replace the seized part with a good used one. I soaked that thing in PB blaster for a week, hit is with a 5lb sledge, and it still would not budge a bit.
For the carb, just try the 465. I think it will work great. You aren't going to blow anything up. Worst case is you'll lose a tiny bit of top end, but I don't think that will even happen. The engine just can't move enough air to max out the 465 Holley. Simple as that. You may have to play with the jetting, but you won't know until you slap it on there and try it. Our engines are about the equivalent to a 2.4L-2.6L boinger. We are not needing a carb for a 5.0L or bigger V8 here.
For the carb, just try the 465. I think it will work great. You aren't going to blow anything up. Worst case is you'll lose a tiny bit of top end, but I don't think that will even happen. The engine just can't move enough air to max out the 465 Holley. Simple as that. You may have to play with the jetting, but you won't know until you slap it on there and try it. Our engines are about the equivalent to a 2.4L-2.6L boinger. We are not needing a carb for a 5.0L or bigger V8 here.
