how many hp to kill new Z06????
Funny how your assumptions about my posts are based around if my car is broken or not. lol
Fact is, my car is NOT broken. Thanks for your concern though. I actually just came back from a short cruise. It was cool lol
I will be sure when i continue my post whoring from work, or at home on the weekends, ill be thinking about you when i do. lol
Fact is, my car is NOT broken. Thanks for your concern though. I actually just came back from a short cruise. It was cool lol
I will be sure when i continue my post whoring from work, or at home on the weekends, ill be thinking about you when i do. lol
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i hear you FBslider. he wont tho, he'll just continue to beat around the bush.
Pump gas video at 13psi making 358rwhp and huge bog out of the hole. still went 11.4 and the car practically hopped and stopped and then went lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAWCUm08SlQ
Next video was at 20psi on c16. probably more around 450hp. Pretty decent run. It didnt go right in 3rd so i had to throw it in 3rd twice. but it was a good clean run for the most part.
http://www.youtube.com/user/dwrx7
Pump gas video at 13psi making 358rwhp and huge bog out of the hole. still went 11.4 and the car practically hopped and stopped and then went lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAWCUm08SlQ
Next video was at 20psi on c16. probably more around 450hp. Pretty decent run. It didnt go right in 3rd so i had to throw it in 3rd twice. but it was a good clean run for the most part.
http://www.youtube.com/user/dwrx7
Wow, great runs. Thats all i needed to see.
You can make 1000 bucks.
Now lets go back to why we're both here.
A 400+rwhp FD cant take a stock z06. The video showed that.
Thats all im saying.
You can make 1000 bucks.
Now lets go back to why we're both here.
A 400+rwhp FD cant take a stock z06. The video showed that.
Thats all im saying.
Bongolio
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Dude just STFU already a high 10 sec fb oohh!
That pretty cool but its far from what your trying to make it out to be! You bring your happy *** down here and i will make sure you get creamed by a zo6! Becuase at the end of the day you still have an almost 30 year old car that does high 10's and probably low to mid 11's on the street!
There is no glory in making yourself sound like an *** becuase you might be able to keep up with a STOCK car....Sorry but your shitty FB will never handle as good brake as good or look as good as a new c6 zo6.
That pretty cool but its far from what your trying to make it out to be! You bring your happy *** down here and i will make sure you get creamed by a zo6! Becuase at the end of the day you still have an almost 30 year old car that does high 10's and probably low to mid 11's on the street!
There is no glory in making yourself sound like an *** becuase you might be able to keep up with a STOCK car....Sorry but your shitty FB will never handle as good brake as good or look as good as a new c6 zo6.
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ok killapussy. you are right. and it better not handle like a 25yr newer car or chevy is REALLY doing something wrong. as for low 11s on the street. eh maybe on pump. but at 25psi is certainly not 
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This particular video showed an RX-7 with a big turbo that doesn't operate in its efficiency range got pulled by a ZO6 (supposedly stock but making 20 - 40 more rwhp than a stock Z). Big surprise.
It's funny as hell. Guys will take one data point (one that represents an atypical/spikey powerband nonetheless) & use that as the rational for debate. No personal experience, no "searches" done on prior posts on FDs with 400+ rwhp running C6 Zs, no power-to-weight calculation to see the simple physics, nada). It's no wonder you are getting corrected.
Getting corrected by who?
Where is the evidence? You said you done it, can i see a video?
You still havent answered to this i dont believe
There are other factors that determine which can be faster than who. You are simply relying on power to weight. That doesnt always work, as you can see.
Now all of a sudden a big turbo rx7, on a highway run, doesnt operate efficiently. O yeah lets not forget about the higher rwhp the Z has now. lol
Where is the evidence? You said you done it, can i see a video?
You still havent answered to this i dont believe
Like I said I've never raced one so i don't know personally. But it is plain stupid to think power to weight will decide the outcome of every race roll or not. There are other very important factors like gearing and power under the curve. peak power doesn't mean crap if it only last for 1k rpm.
This particular video showed an RX-7 with a big turbo that doesn't operate in its efficiency range got pulled by a ZO6 (supposedly stock but making 20 - 40 more rwhp than a stock Z). Big surprise.
SIGH
All im saying is because of THE VIDEO proves my point that it cant.
Whats so hard to understand from that? Someone said it should, i said no. BECAUSE THE VIDEO SHOWED different.
No mis shifts, no backfiring, the owner of the car didnt say his car was doing anything other than its supposed to do. And he's making well over 400+rwhp.
And he got WALKED by a z06, not like barely lost. Not slowly losing but got walked, bus lengths.
Someone should lock this thread now.
All im saying is because of THE VIDEO proves my point that it cant.
Whats so hard to understand from that? Someone said it should, i said no. BECAUSE THE VIDEO SHOWED different.
No mis shifts, no backfiring, the owner of the car didnt say his car was doing anything other than its supposed to do. And he's making well over 400+rwhp.
And he got WALKED by a z06, not like barely lost. Not slowly losing but got walked, bus lengths.
Someone should lock this thread now.
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SIGH
All im saying is because of THE VIDEO proves my point that it cant.
Whats so hard to understand from that? Someone said it should, i said no. BECAUSE THE VIDEO SHOWED different.
No mis shifts, no backfiring, the owner of the car didnt say his car was doing anything other than its supposed to do. And he's making well over 400+rwhp.
And he got WALKED by a z06, not like barely lost. Not slowly losing but got walked, bus lengths.
Someone should lock this thread now.
All im saying is because of THE VIDEO proves my point that it cant.
Whats so hard to understand from that? Someone said it should, i said no. BECAUSE THE VIDEO SHOWED different.
No mis shifts, no backfiring, the owner of the car didnt say his car was doing anything other than its supposed to do. And he's making well over 400+rwhp.
And he got WALKED by a z06, not like barely lost. Not slowly losing but got walked, bus lengths.
Someone should lock this thread now.
I havent looked at this thread in ages. But, just to add fuel to the fire, this weekend at the speedforsale.com event we had a 07 Z06 with intake only and a fd with BNR stage 3s non-seq that made 37x rwhp. The z06 trapped 123.x mph and the fd trapped 122.8 mph. FD was on radials which could have arguably taken away some mph but in all honesty it was still spinning a little.
It was an extremely experienced driver in the z06 so no real excuses there. The z06 was still faster, but it gives a realistic comparison between the two and what it would take to run with one.
Just as a side note a bone stock GTR outrapped both at 124mph
just to add fuel to the fire, this weekend at the speedforsale.com event we had a 07 Z06 with intake only and a fd with BNR stage 3s non-seq that made 37x rwhp. The z06 trapped 123.x mph and the fd trapped 122.8 mph. FD was on radials which could have arguably taken away some mph but in all honesty it was still spinning a little. It was an extremely experienced driver in the z06 so no real excuses there. The z06 was still faster, but it gives a realistic comparison between the two and what it would take to run with one.
Just as a side note a bone stock GTR outrapped both at 124mph
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I havent looked at this thread in ages. But, just to add fuel to the fire, this weekend at the speedforsale.com event we had a 07 Z06 with intake only and a fd with BNR stage 3s non-seq that made 37x rwhp. The z06 trapped 123.x mph and the fd trapped 122.8 mph. FD was on radials which could have arguably taken away some mph but in all honesty it was still spinning a little.
It was an extremely experienced driver in the z06 so no real excuses there. The z06 was still faster, but it gives a realistic comparison between the two and what it would take to run with one.
Just as a side note a bone stock GTR outrapped both at 124mph
just to add fuel to the fire, this weekend at the speedforsale.com event we had a 07 Z06 with intake only and a fd with BNR stage 3s non-seq that made 37x rwhp. The z06 trapped 123.x mph and the fd trapped 122.8 mph. FD was on radials which could have arguably taken away some mph but in all honesty it was still spinning a little. It was an extremely experienced driver in the z06 so no real excuses there. The z06 was still faster, but it gives a realistic comparison between the two and what it would take to run with one.
Just as a side note a bone stock GTR outrapped both at 124mph
In reality that's all you know.
Why because you don't like getting schooled? If you don't like it stay out of it. This is a great thread maybe that's why the mods have kept it open.
I havent looked at this thread in ages. But, just to add fuel to the fire, this weekend at the speedforsale.com event we had a 07 Z06 with intake only and a fd with BNR stage 3s non-seq that made 37x rwhp. The z06 trapped 123.x mph and the fd trapped 122.8 mph. FD was on radials which could have arguably taken away some mph but in all honesty it was still spinning a little.
just to add fuel to the fire, this weekend at the speedforsale.com event we had a 07 Z06 with intake only and a fd with BNR stage 3s non-seq that made 37x rwhp. The z06 trapped 123.x mph and the fd trapped 122.8 mph. FD was on radials which could have arguably taken away some mph but in all honesty it was still spinning a little.
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Getting corrected by who?
Where is the evidence? You said you done it, can i see a video?
You still havent answered to this i dont believe
There are other factors that determine which can be faster than who. You are simply relying on power to weight. That doesnt always work, as you can see.
Now all of a sudden a big turbo rx7, on a highway run, doesnt operate efficiently. O yeah lets not forget about the higher rwhp the Z has now. lol
Where is the evidence? You said you done it, can i see a video?
You still havent answered to this i dont believe
There are other factors that determine which can be faster than who. You are simply relying on power to weight. That doesnt always work, as you can see.
Now all of a sudden a big turbo rx7, on a highway run, doesnt operate efficiently. O yeah lets not forget about the higher rwhp the Z has now. lol
If you knew anything about a T-78 application on a 13B rotary, you would know that 12 - 14 lbs is anemic boost & the turbo is not in its efficiency range (hell, my stock twins run 16 lbs...A T-78 needs about 20+ psi for proper power production, Here is Ari's T-78 running 10.5x at 130 mph, http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-RX-7-Timeslip-481.html).
Junior,.......do us all a favor, spend some time on single rotary turbo variants & come back with at least some baseline understanding (ie pros/cons of TO4s, GT35Rs, T-78, T-88, etc).
Now, let's have some fun with your questions (since you didn't know these answers, something ain't right). You also can't seem to read the entire thread where people (such as I) already identified the other significant factors - which BTW - all favor the FD). Here, a quick "recap" for you:
1) Power to weight: Advantage FD (my curb weight is 2,690 lbs)
2) Cd & frontal area (that would be "Coefficent of Drag"): Advantage FD
3) Gearing & Final Drice Ratio: A 4.10 in the FD, again: Advantage FD
4) A 70 - 130 mph roll on: Advantage, FD (cooler AIC provides ~ 10 - 20 rwhp vs std dynojet reading)
I guess when I pulled the black C6 ZO6 2 yrs ago, it didn't really happen since it wasn't on "video"? .....I was running Ferraris, Panteras, Vettes, GNXs, etc when you were in daipers. No wait, none of them could have happened....they weren't on VIDEO.
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I havent looked at this thread in ages. But, just to add fuel to the fire, this weekend at the speedforsale.com event we had a 07 Z06 with intake only and a fd with BNR stage 3s non-seq that made 37x rwhp. The z06 trapped 123.x mph and the fd trapped 122.8 mph. FD was on radials which could have arguably taken away some mph but in all honesty it was still spinning a little.
It was an extremely experienced driver in the z06 so no real excuses there. The z06 was still faster, but it gives a realistic comparison between the two and what it would take to run with one.
Just as a side note a bone stock GTR outrapped both at 124mph
just to add fuel to the fire, this weekend at the speedforsale.com event we had a 07 Z06 with intake only and a fd with BNR stage 3s non-seq that made 37x rwhp. The z06 trapped 123.x mph and the fd trapped 122.8 mph. FD was on radials which could have arguably taken away some mph but in all honesty it was still spinning a little. It was an extremely experienced driver in the z06 so no real excuses there. The z06 was still faster, but it gives a realistic comparison between the two and what it would take to run with one.
Just as a side note a bone stock GTR outrapped both at 124mph
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No, all it proves is in that video that Z06 beat that particular FD.
In reality that's all you know.
That video. Please tell show me the power band of that FD. 400 hp in one car is not going to be the same as 400 hp in another. You for some reason cannot comprehend that.
See above.
Why because you don't like getting schooled? If you don't like it stay out of it. This is a great thread maybe that's why the mods have kept it open.
In reality that's all you know.
That video. Please tell show me the power band of that FD. 400 hp in one car is not going to be the same as 400 hp in another. You for some reason cannot comprehend that.
See above.
Why because you don't like getting schooled? If you don't like it stay out of it. This is a great thread maybe that's why the mods have kept it open.
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I thought its power to weight? That was everyones arguement. Thats how it all started.
I mentioned bolt on z06 because i included a higher hp car into the equation.
Since there is NO SUCH video of your alleged equation, i can not compare.
I have to use proven evidence if you do a quick search on youtube. A 420fwhp civic gets man handled by a bolt on z06. It was intake and exhaust or some crap.
So if a 420fwhp civic (which is light as hell) cant beat that z06. You can imagine the end result would be similar to your car, which is less hp against a STOCK z06.
Btw, stock z06's can run low 11s.
On a highway run, there is basically no driver error, you REALLY need a fast car.
You must have something installed in your car no one knows about. Because at 350hp, you WILL NOT take down a z06.
Sorry dude.
I mentioned bolt on z06 because i included a higher hp car into the equation.
Since there is NO SUCH video of your alleged equation, i can not compare.
I have to use proven evidence if you do a quick search on youtube. A 420fwhp civic gets man handled by a bolt on z06. It was intake and exhaust or some crap.
So if a 420fwhp civic (which is light as hell) cant beat that z06. You can imagine the end result would be similar to your car, which is less hp against a STOCK z06.
Btw, stock z06's can run low 11s.
On a highway run, there is basically no driver error, you REALLY need a fast car.
You must have something installed in your car no one knows about. Because at 350hp, you WILL NOT take down a z06.
Sorry dude.
thats my Z06 too.. i just added the predator...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6qwkKtlvfM i have much respect for those guys because they had the ***** to post the vid themselves, while others have vids of my wins but don't show it
just tonight i raced a 07 mustang gt with a sts turbo kit on it pushing 480 and beat it by 4-5 cars, which is what he told me(no vid)
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You have to see something on "video" for it to be true? Hilarious! I hate to bring you up on current events, but because you see something on some internet U-Tube video, it does not mean it's "true". Everyone, .....our resident Mental Giant has just solved the mystery of Bigfoot & the Lock Ness Monster. They have to be true, they were on VIDEO. You can't seem to comprehend power under the curve & turbo efficiencies - what an utter neophyte.
If you knew anything about a T-78 application on a 13B rotary, you would know that 12 - 14 lbs is anemic boost & the turbo is not in its efficiency range (hell, my stock twins run 16 lbs...A T-78 needs about 20+ psi for proper power production, Here is Ari's T-78 running 10.5x at 130 mph, http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-RX-7-Timeslip-481.html).
Junior,.......do us all a favor, spend some time on single rotary turbo variants & come back with at least some baseline understanding (ie pros/cons of TO4s, GT35Rs, T-78, T-88, etc).
Now, let's have some fun with your questions (since you didn't know these answers, something ain't right). You also can't seem to read the entire thread where people (such as I) already identified the other significant factors - which BTW - all favor the FD). Here, a quick "recap" for you:
1) Power to weight: Advantage FD (my curb weight is 2,690 lbs)
2) Cd & frontal area (that would be "Coefficent of Drag"): Advantage FD
3) Gearing & Final Drice Ratio: A 4.10 in the FD, again: Advantage FD
4) A 70 - 130 mph roll on: Advantage, FD (cooler AIC provides ~ 10 - 20 rwhp vs std dynojet reading)
I guess when I pulled the black C6 ZO6 2 yrs ago, it didn't really happen since it wasn't on "video"? .....I was running Ferraris, Panteras, Vettes, GNXs, etc when you were in daipers. No wait, none of them could have happened....they weren't on VIDEO.
If you knew anything about a T-78 application on a 13B rotary, you would know that 12 - 14 lbs is anemic boost & the turbo is not in its efficiency range (hell, my stock twins run 16 lbs...A T-78 needs about 20+ psi for proper power production, Here is Ari's T-78 running 10.5x at 130 mph, http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-RX-7-Timeslip-481.html).
Junior,.......do us all a favor, spend some time on single rotary turbo variants & come back with at least some baseline understanding (ie pros/cons of TO4s, GT35Rs, T-78, T-88, etc).
Now, let's have some fun with your questions (since you didn't know these answers, something ain't right). You also can't seem to read the entire thread where people (such as I) already identified the other significant factors - which BTW - all favor the FD). Here, a quick "recap" for you:
1) Power to weight: Advantage FD (my curb weight is 2,690 lbs)
2) Cd & frontal area (that would be "Coefficent of Drag"): Advantage FD
3) Gearing & Final Drice Ratio: A 4.10 in the FD, again: Advantage FD
4) A 70 - 130 mph roll on: Advantage, FD (cooler AIC provides ~ 10 - 20 rwhp vs std dynojet reading)
I guess when I pulled the black C6 ZO6 2 yrs ago, it didn't really happen since it wasn't on "video"? .....I was running Ferraris, Panteras, Vettes, GNXs, etc when you were in daipers. No wait, none of them could have happened....they weren't on VIDEO.
Fact is im still right because the video is proven, sought out evidence of a 400+rwhp FD getting beat by a z06.
You say just because i saw it on video, it cant be true? Wow, so i guess R&D is based on theory alone with no physical tests.
So if you throw a big turbo and boost, you ESTIMATE "i should be making 500rwhp?" LOL
No, you throw the car on the dyno, because you're physically testing, proving how much power your making.
But yeah, keep throwing out more cars "you beat" in the mix of this thread, even though its irrelevant. If you didnt race an enzo, i didnt know ferraris have the same performance as a c6 z06.
Maybe next time i see a single turbo FD, ill ask what single he has and if he says T78, ill say, "o thats slow".
thats my Z06 too.. i just added the predator...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6qwkKtlvfM i have much respect for those guys because they had the ***** to post the vid themselves, while others have vids of my wins but don't show it
just tonight i raced a 07 mustang gt with a sts turbo kit on it pushing 480 and beat it by 4-5 cars, which is what he told me(no vid)
just tonight i raced a 07 mustang gt with a sts turbo kit on it pushing 480 and beat it by 4-5 cars, which is what he told me(no vid)
Yeah i knew your car looked familar. I saw the predator mod. That **** is nutso.
People dont usually post vids of them losing. So the FD guy that posted his death to you, i give props to him.
I really wish he came in this thread and cleared up alot of BS to stop the excuses people are making but o well.
I guess we'll give it a rest.
doesn't that disproves you?
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LOL i like how you keep using the phrase, "doing this since you were in your diapers". I think thats number 3 in this thread alone. Funny, corny but funny.
Fact is im still right because the video is proven, sought out evidence of a 400+rwhp FD getting beat by a z06.
You say just because i saw it on video, it cant be true? Wow, so i guess R&D is based on theory alone with no physical tests.
So if you throw a big turbo and boost, you ESTIMATE "i should be making 500rwhp?" LOL
No, you throw the car on the dyno, because you're physically testing, proving how much power your making.
But yeah, keep throwing out more cars "you beat" in the mix of this thread, even though its irrelevant. If you didnt race an enzo, i didnt know ferraris have the same performance as a c6 z06.
Maybe next time i see a single turbo FD, ill ask what single he has and if he says T78, ill say, "o thats slow".
Fact is im still right because the video is proven, sought out evidence of a 400+rwhp FD getting beat by a z06.
You say just because i saw it on video, it cant be true? Wow, so i guess R&D is based on theory alone with no physical tests.
So if you throw a big turbo and boost, you ESTIMATE "i should be making 500rwhp?" LOL
No, you throw the car on the dyno, because you're physically testing, proving how much power your making.
But yeah, keep throwing out more cars "you beat" in the mix of this thread, even though its irrelevant. If you didnt race an enzo, i didnt know ferraris have the same performance as a c6 z06.
Maybe next time i see a single turbo FD, ill ask what single he has and if he says T78, ill say, "o thats slow".