^Good point.

Thats another thing id like to point out. We all try to to say that our cars are handlers yet when threads like these come out, goes to show ALOT of FD's are being built with the intention of being a straight line performer.

Very few, and i been on this forum a long time, do people have their FD's set at mild level and strictly go to the track, being used for what they're designed for.

I dont get why people want massive HP from this car, then complain when it cant beat a stock car.

There is nothing touching an engine like the LS. Those engines have got to be the most advanced v8 engine GM made. Or in fact THE most advanced v8 engine ever.

The innovation never stops for that engine, its only gonna get better and better.

 

Yes, it gets quite annoying to watch excuses constantly fly to defend the FD's honor as the best car ever. There are better cars out there, I don't know why it is so difficult to admit that.

 

Let's quote, "There is just far more potential in the ZO6..Its a fact that cant be disputed". REALLY? There are NINE second street driven single turbo FD's. Properly tuned single turbo FDs put out monstrous Hp as they already have forced induction - ZO6's don't so as Hp climbs, they top out ~ 560 rwhp. Single turbo FD's are putting down significantly more than that & weigh less). Any car w/FI is going to ultimatly put out more HP than a non FI powerplant.

Here are a few street driven RX-7 time slips, http://www.rx7.com/racing/content/times.html

BTW, the age of a car has zero to do with how fast it's metal can be modified to increase performance. With that logic, people better start selling their Ferrari F-40s, Supras, 911 Turbos, etc & go buy a new Chevy.

 

Ok so it takes a single turbo to make an FD go nines....The z06 can do that with intake,tune and tires. Or how about a 200 shot. And show me an FD without a rebuild that can go nines?

And yes the age of the machine has alot to do with how far you can push it. All you need is insane amount's of money to push older tech as far as it can go.In the FD's case basically every component on the engine has to be replaced or rebuilt.

Fact is the FD is older...It's having a hard time keeping up even with today's inline turbo fours! It doesnt handle as good as newer sports cars, People realize its a money pit with limited return's.

Which means that only 7 nut's actually keep the car's and mod them while balancing performance and reliability and while not destroying the car or taking it apart in the process.

 

Just go ahead and concede, the FD is the best car ever produced by mankind. There is simply no better car out there. That is why they are so popular, why they are still making them, and why they have continued to sell them here since they were first introduced. Mazda is also the best car manufacturer of all time.

 

Wow man. There is soo much wrong in your post i dont know where to start.

You're now comparing limitations of single turbo FD's to bolt on Z06's?

Like someone said, all you need is intake, cam, headers, exhaust and the car is already close to 600rwhp. How is that topping out?

If you wanna get technical, take an FD with stock twins and max that out. How much are you gonna get out of that? 350rwhp? IF THAT.

The C6 Z06 makes 350rwhp below their powerband. lol

Please show me actual street, daily driven 9 second FD's and ill gladly provide a link of the ENDLESS amount of z06's that are in the same category that are daily driven.

 

this thread is dumb

 

You guys are insane! lol. build a 20b, make 900 to the tire with it, and get it to weigh in at 2600lbs with driver lol............coming soon to a street near YOU!

 

Like what....your audi?

 

Lets compare a 93 Fd to a 93 corvette.

 

Sorry but an lt1 engine is far more reliable and tuner friendly than a 13brew.

Look at the mod's in my sig i have an LT1 the same engine i believe thats in the 93 corvette. I have about 1000$ into the car can you guess what i ran at the track?

I also have 140k on it.

 

Ok, the FD has more style.

Even then thats relative and opinionated.

Sorry even the 93 vette is a better built car for their times.

 

^lol you havent been in one have you?

 

nope i dont but a 93 vette is not faster in the 1/4mile than a 93 FD.

 

An intake, tune, & tires makes a ZO6 a 9 second car? Kid, put down the crack pipe. An intake, tune, tires (hell, lets throw an exhaust w/lontubes in there as well) is good for ~ 480 rwhp = maybe a high 10 sec car (with Ranger driving). A C6 Z is going to need at least a 100 shot, ported TB, Heads, Cams, etc to run high nines. Here, read up - factual data supporting the above: http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

An FD doesn't handle as well as newer sports cars? Really? Such as? .....The '93 R1 pulled a 1.01 skidpad # on 15 year old VR technology 225/50 16" rubber. Where are you getting your data?

FD's are not "money pits" - a rather dumb comment. Mine's a low 11 sec car with ~ 90k miles & is a daily driver - it's got no issues. From your commentary, you have little to no experience modding rotaries.

 

I cant say nothing....I just keep looking at that sweet *** in your avatar. DAAAHHHAMMNN thats nice lol

 

You are what, 25? I was modding & dragging rotaries when you were in diapers.

To correct a few of your errors:
1) Th OP mentioned the RX7 was pushing 420 rwhp on a T-78. Several posters advised you the RX-7 was likely pretty slow due to inefficiency of that turbo & tune. You somehow can't seem to grasp that a properly tuned single turbo RX-7 (a T-78 in this case) would walk a stock ZO6. An impropperly tuned/poorly set up single turbo (again, the same T-78) will be slower than a stock C6 ZO6 (ie the video obviously shows this). This was just a fact being pointed out. Got it?

2) Close to 600 rwhp C6Z vs an FD with a tuned big single will get destroyed. They have ~ the same or more power & weigh less than the Z. The fastest C6 Zs in the country are running low 10s (there is one I know of running 9.9Xs). As I stated, there are 9 second street driven single turbo RX-7s. Here, a ZO6 listing for you:
http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

3) A properly set up 3rd Gen on stock twins can expect between 400 - 420 rwhp (mine is one of them) & FWIW, it was more than enough for a stock C6 ZO6 to hang from a 70 - 130 roll on (this was already mentioned earlier in this thread) so you don't need a single turbo to dispose of a stock C6 Z.

4) Street driven 9 second FDs? Why don't you try reading the link I provided earlier & look at the Quick 8 class - this is just a small listing - there are quite a few mid 9 second streetable RX-7s. Here it is again: http://www.rx7.com/racing/content/times.html

 

FWIW Ive personally seen a stock Z06 run a 10 at the track with street tires. Yeah a tune,slick's and a 100 shot and bam high 9's.

The FD may have ran that 1.01 skidpad when brand new lets see what it does now after 15year's...nuff said!

FD's are money pit's unless you just like the car...For drag or racing there are much much better option's avaliable. Just too much **** to fix for there age.

And you go pick out the first 93 vette you see and then pick out the first 93 FD you see,line em up i got 50$ on the vette. Both cars being stock and unmodded on stock engines.


You really believe that every FD on the road is going to have new engines and suspension's? Or anything else that should have been replaced throughout the years? 95% of these car's are tired and are on there death bed's!

 

No, actually there isn't.

Uh, that's where the thread has gone. Read it and try to follow along.

What? "All you need is a an intake, CAM, header, exhaust and tune to make 600 rwhp"? That's all ? All you left out was the kitchen sink.

That's like saying all you need is a 3 rotor and a single to make 600 rwhp. Hey, but guess what ? For the cost of a Z06 it could be done, cheaper. (Just thought I'd toss that in)

Uh...see above.

And the sun comes up every morning . What does that have to do with anything?

 

I just wanted to add that i actually LOVE FD'S...But the only way i would ever be able to own one is if i had ton's of cash to throw at it and make it done up right! Then i would be a happy man.

 

A 10 what?

No not enough said. If the car was able to pull 1.01's with tire technology 15 years ago what do you think it will do with far better rubber? Hint: The answer is not lower.

Probably true.


Ran plenty of 93 vettes in my car when it was stock. Actually, my brother in law had a 93 vette and I had a 93 RX-7 and my car was faster. (Both stock)


Which has nothing to do with anything. Oh and speak for yourself some of us actually take care of our cars.

 

Bone stock 10.8....Yeah 9's is only a tune and 100 shot away no need for cam's,headers and big ole TB's...lol

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A 10.8 isn't a 10. which was my point, thanks.
My friend has run faster than 10.8's with his bone stock Z06. (Do a search here).

 

Not to add to the arguing to this post, but to add fact. A little fact anyway. This is not to convince anyone, just to post my experience LAST NIGHT.

Was hanging out locally trying to find a guy I've seen around town in a nice FD. He's not showing up, but this good looking C6 (not a Z06 that I could tell) with exhaust is messing around with a 6.0 PSD. I was bored so I decided to roll out there and check his car out.

Well this dude is getting on it a lot, and this C6 is LOUD. Sounds friggin' great. So when I get up beside him I gave him a blow-off valve shot. And he hits it hard and that car shot off like a cannon. At about 40 mph, I return the favor to him, but in 3rd gear. In 3rd gear, the car didn't take off real impressively, and wasn't very loud. So, I'm sure he wasn't expecting anything. I was kind of sandbagging, if you could call it that.

He caught up and we had 2 open lanes in front of us. I put it in 2nd, and was just going to wait until I heard him hit it. I suspect he heard me down shift and gave me a couple seconds. I'm just getting my car together and I knew he was about to hand me my ***. And why not? His car is like 13+ years newer with a lot more hp than mine. And a hell of a lot louder. Maybe his exhaust might not have gave him (much) more power, but it was intimidating as hell.

When I heard his car get on it (I think that's the loudest Corvette I've ever heard) I hit as quick as I could respond.

Guys, I joke you not. I squirted out away from him. I hit it in 2nd, ran through 3rd and decided to back out of it due to us not being on a dragstrip, and you guys probably know how fast you're running at the top of 3rd. I put 1.5 to 2 cars on him from 2nd through 3rd.

I was shocked. I thought I was about to get my *** handed to me. I bet that guy was shocked too. I gave him a thumbs up at the next traffic light that we stopped at. He looked embarrassed (he had a buddy in the car too).

He wanted to go at it again from that traffic light, but my V1 was pointing ahead, and I was still thinking he would hand me my *** from a stop. I decided not to push my luck with him or the heat, so I let him go. He blew away from the traffic light (you guys probably heard him ) and sure enough, there were 2 cops about 1/4 mile ahead. They were busy with another customer, but watched the Corvette close, cause their ears were probably hurting from his launch from the traffic light. He tippy-toed by them, and they turned back to their business and we both eased on by.

He turned off at the next traffic light, I didn't see him again, although I looked for him because I wanted know more about his car, to see what all he had done (or not done) to his car (probably just exhaust).

Guys - I'm more than amazed at how fast this FD is. It's unfriggin believable. My FD has a potpourri of stupid crap done to it (from the previous owner, and it barely run when I got it) but it now runs well. And I haven't even messed with upping the power, I'm not far enough into the reliability mods yet.

The point is, this was not a Z06, and my car is not even comparable to some of these guys car on this thread. And yet I squirted away from this C6 like this. Based on last night, HELL YES I believe YELLOW R1's #3 from above (copied below).

 

OMG dude i meant 10's....not a 10 flat. Anyway im done here i just thought i would stir the pot.