Thats not really an opinion though when theres no reason. Thats just stupid talk.

Especially as vague as you come out when you say american cars suck.

GM sell more cars than any other manufacturer.

 

I regularly attend street racing events in my RX7 when I am in STL. My RX7 would definately walk you. But, when I am down there, there are plenty of AMERICAN cars that could still hand me my ***. Infact, I am unsually one of the fastest imports if not THE fastest import down there on any given night. I am strictly talking about drag racing though, not that gay drifting ****. You may not like American cars but you still have to respect them.

 

you guys are all nuts lol seriously tho, providing both cars have good drivers, stock weight for both cars. what horsepower number SHOULD it take for an fd to beat a stock c6 zo6?? 400? 1qwik7.... no making fun of my tenzos lol

 

My neighbor has a stock c6 Z06, I rode in it. I'd say 400 to the wheels in a 7 will do it, at least on the highway. From a dig it's going to be tough because they have really big tires.

 

you shouldnt call a type of driving "gay" when you are trying to tell someone to respect a different type of car.

 

lol nah i was kidding

Your car is awesome.

 

I understand that but I still think drifting is completely pointless. If you can turn you aren't going fast enough.

 

try 450rwhp.....and 400 to stay even

 

This is an aweful long thread to not have any other videos beside the Z06 running guys..... cant someone go race one and get some proof. Ill do it once i get my car done, but thats going to be in Dec and this has been going on long enough

 

here is one vid...fd has a t78 on pump pushing 400-420 max vs my intake only C6 Z06....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rFrVPutLTY

1st run my tires were dead cold from having it parked for 2 hours in 50 degree weather that night. 2nd run was no spinning

i recently had it dyno'd and it put down 480 on a dynojet

 

400 - 420 rwhp with a T78 turbo means the turbo is not in its efficency range so the powerband is going to suck.

I already posted in this thread - seems like years ago. I've got 405 rwhp & put 2 cars on a new ZO6 - 3 times in a row - from 70 - 130 mph (I'm running stock twins).

A properly tuned FD with a T-78 will easily put down 550+ rwhp. At 400 - 420 rwhp, it's a complete waste of a good car & a pretty good turbo.

At 450 rwhp, an FD will mop the floor with a stock Z - they weigh ~ 500 lbs more = ~ 19% heavier. 19% is SIGNIFICANT (2,700 lbs vs 3,200 lbs is major).

 

well i've been in the car that i raced and its quick..he pulled a pullied cobra pretty easily....and plus the car was at 12-14psi and on pump. it has much more potential. don't say its not in its efficiency range because its still making the power(400-420). i saw the dyno graph when he showed it to me, but it was when he upped the boost a little bit

 

a properly runing FD at 400 RWHP should be able to take a C6 Z06

STOCK Z06's dyno from around 440RWHP ish on the average. Note that most of the dyno charts are the before and after mods. So they take extremely well to mods









actually it's all about efficiency. Yeah he may be pulling the numbers but when the turbo is working within it's efficiency zone the area under the curve is at an optimum.


PS nice car!

 

Why is everyone doubting the video posted?

2 cars with their HP were listed and people still wanna give excuses?

Are you guys also forgetting about gearing, ambient temps and other engine related factors that could have cause THAT FD to lose to that Z06?

I think you guys need to let it go, that Z beat that 400-420rwhp FD fair and square.

And it didnt even beat him by a car or so, it beat him by a bus length or 2.

 

Disputting a video? No, people are indicating that an FD with a BIG azz turbo running a measly 12 - 14 lbs of boost is going to be significantly slower than a properly tuned FD putting power down earlier in its power band. My car would pull this particular T-78 turboed FD - the car isn't properly set up/tuned (many rotary inexperienced owners put huge a huge turbo on their car only to end up with marginally more power because they don't know what they are doing - this is a perfect example). That FD should be putting down 500 rwhp+....with a proper tune & 93 octane.

 

you are forgeting one thing young padawan... powerband. Don't T-78's start making power at around 4500 RPMs? area under the curve is rather small.

I said a properly runing FD *what I meant to say* is a properly setup 400 RWHP FD should take one.

 

Ya know what i find funny is you guys are comparing a modded *** FD against a stock Z06 and making the FD out to be the better car.

We already established about how much hp it takes to beat a new Z06 but you should never act like the FD is some god like car it has it's problem's.

And flame me all you want but you do some bolt-on's a tune and good tires and that Z06 and it will literally obliderate the FD. There is just far more potential in the Z06..Its a fact that cant be disputed.

But IMO's i know alot of people love the FD...It's an old car that is starting to show it's age! It's funny becuase only 7 owners would defend there car soo stubbornly!

 

There were 2 particular cars mentioned in this thread, both appearing in the video posted.

The topic is not about some general 400rwhp FD vs a stock c6 z06, so everything else off topic from the video at hand makes no sense.

The FD got beat, thats it. The numbers were stated, the video was posted, and that was that.

Doesnt matter if what if, it should of, it could of, tuned this way, tuned that way.

Because that is racing.


I still find it funny how you guys say, "IT SHOULD" when the video of proof is there. Unless this guys FD was running on 1 rotor, i say it was a fair race. He shifted well, it started well. The Z was a faster car, PERIOD.

And its not anyones fault when the turbo starts making power. Run what you brung.

So then this should have been a handicapp race because of a large single? LOL

If anything he should have brake boosted. But even then if he did that, the end result would be the same except it would have probably lost by 1 bus length instead of 2.


THANK YOU.

I have been on this forum for a long time and all FD owners are the same. They give no credit when credit needs to be given. No one ragged on the FD. The FD put up a good fight but i guess the owners are soo full of themselves, they need to nitpick a STOCK CAR for any small reason because they want to blur the fact that a highly modified FD did in fact get beat by a STOCK car.

And im an FD owner myself.

 

I find it funny as well how both of you misunderstood the context of the conversation. This isn't a Rx7 > z06 thread.

yup that FD lost fair and square... no argument here. But the original question was what it would take to beat a c6 Z06. That's where I stated that a properly setup FD at 400 RWHP should take one. Actually smg944 did with 407 RWHP with a GT35/40 I believe.


Ignoring all of that, no one is taking anything away from the Z06 it's a badass car. In order for us to keep up with THAT stock car, we have have some significant mods. Like I stated on my earlier post "Note that most of the dyno charts are the before and after mods. So they take extremely well to mods "

so does that mean that you don't give credit where credit is due? lol Bro go back and re-read posts. NO ONE IS TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE Z06. Quit making snap judgements

 

I like the z06 and i like the FD!

 

You v8 guys are kidding me right. See i also own a 2006 Pontiac GTO ( i know its slow and heavy and not even close to any z06 C5 or C6 ) but the way v8's beat people is because of its power band and torque 100 times more low end. You say it doesnt matter on the 7, but itsthe Zo6's main weapon againest the 7 ( cuz normally it is its lighter wieght in most races againest other cars, but againest the 7 it doesnt match up there).

The Zo6 is a super car. Costs twice as much as our cars BRAND NEW. So of course its a bench mark for almost all car owners. Everycar is diff. Ihave no doubt that a stock twins with more that 400 whp could take a stock Z06. ( not everytime though bepending on a lot of factors). It just has the "ability" too.

And the only thing us rx7 owners. Even though apparently were all dicks that dont give credit to other cars, haha if you think were bad go check out the Viper or Supra forums....... they sit around and laugh at ALL V8's, but we were just trying to get some numbers on how much our little cars would need to take down the Almighty Zo6. Because everyone knows its possbile for a lighter car to win at a race, because when it comes down to it that is the biggest factor in a car because there you get to a certain point were you cant get any lighter.

So everyone relax a little

 

You should Combine them like i did

 

I killed a new Z06 last night up to 80, and I wasn't even racing.


















Riding my friends R1, but then he almost killed me with a 130 MPH ricer flyby.

 

I know its not. If no one dragged that video into the conversation at hand, i wouldnt have said anything. You guys are using what you think are facts, joining it with the video posted and calling impossible.

Im going by video with their statistics ONLY.



Im curious to know if theres a video of smg44 doing that? I know he beat a 550rwhp or so cobra, we all seen those vids but i havent seen the z06 vs smg44 vid yet. Please show me.

All im saying is going by the video, it did not take it. It didnt even come close. Whats the reasons why? Somethign is missing from the puzzle.



I give credit to any fast car. I defended the Z because i see how quick someone pulled the trigger on giving excuses.

I mainly defended after that video was posted about a page ago.

Like i said, im only going by that video. You already seen my posts and my opinions earlier in this thread about this topic.

 

In my old FD I consistently beat a C6 Z06 --- From 0 to 120 I put about 3 car lengths on it every time. From a 60 mph roll, I would leave it in the dust.

I believe the car was stock besides an exhaust system which made my ears want to bleed.

Against a new Z06, I think my old FD would have been even.

I apologize I do not remember specifics but the car I believe was running a t68 with Gotham Racing's Dual WG setup with an exedy twin disc clutch.

The car had a stock ported engine and was tuned to 17psi high boost... we never dynoed the car but we guessed it made anywhere from 430 - 460 hp

End of story, it takes a heavily modified car to keep up with a Z06. Period... the real question I have is... who cares??? The Rx-7 was not made for the strip, it was made for the race track. If somone buys a 7 so they can try and keep up with the 8 cylinder cars then they bought the car for the wrong reason.

I buy and love 7's because they are unique, rare, nimble and timeless cars and I see very few cars on the roads today that actually get driven that look as good as a 7 with a comparative life span.

Another end of story... never sell your 7 --- this is my 4th FD that I am on, I sold the white one after the engine went and I was tired of dealing with it. Four years later I am back in the scene, building another 94 touring and trying to get it to where I had left off... If you love 7's like I do, you think your tired of it but once it is gone you start to get the itch.

I am never letting my current FD go

(The pictures I attached are of the FD I used to walk vettes, cobras and other big block cars with) This was on a stock ported motor @ 17psi of boost. Gotham had their dual WG setup on this car and it was simply put.... ******* fast