I would NEVER DO business with Sonix7
03-23-07, 08:02 AM
#151
Originally Posted by dubulup
I need some closure to this 
I guess he doesn't stand by his product(s) and doesn't stick to his own words.. Which is expected of a scammer.
06-04-07, 02:55 PM
#157
BDC Motorsports
Interesting thread. Like many others, it's devolved into nothing more than pigs rolling around in a mudpit. I'm glad Jason chose not to partake in that. Good for him.
I met Jason a few weeks ago in Colorado while on a tuning trip. Spoke to him about this stuff. I like the guy a whole lot. Nice guy; real chatty, eager to do good and very eager to make friends and have people like and appreciate him. I could tell he was trying very hard at his business, having been in his same position several years ago. I could feel it. It was seething off of him. As a fellow business owner, it's a shame that nearly every single one of you that are posting in this thread, shooting spitwads at him, have absolutely zero idea what it's like to be on this end of the dollar bill. Not a clue.
We eat the cost when there's a question of something being wrong.
We have to fix things when a customer complains of something not being done right.
We have to assume liability, by default, when a
When we don't earn what we've initially projected ourselves to earn on a particular deal, we must blame ourselves and take responsibility.
We are forced to lower prices and raise not only the quality of our product or service but also our support because of competition. The guy down the street who does the same thing we do motivates us in this direction.
We are wholly responsible. If you tell us to jump, we must say, "how high?"
If we want to succeed, we must get up early, work all day long, miss meals sometimes, and go to bed late (or, in my case, take a 10 hr drive back home starting in the early evening because a customer's car was more important than my sleeping and eating.)
We are the ones that worry incessantly about doing a good job for you.
And, at the end of the day, we're still sweating how we'll pay our mortgages. We don't have a comfy cube to sit in while lounging around in an air-conditioned office.
We have every incentive in the world to do a great job at what we do, no matter what it is. We must. Without customers, we cease to exist. Our financial lives, for the most part, depend on them. We have the guts to pursue a dream and break out of the mold; think and do outside of the box as it were. We've purposefully and with great fortitude placed ourselves in a considerably more difficult situation to try and make those dreams come true.
What's the customer's responsibility in it? Nothing. You have the money. We have to cater to you 100% of the time because it's by sheer choice only that we'll get your money. It is so easy for a guy like you to bitch and scream without having any recourse thereafter. Notice I didn't say "complain".
Grow up, guys. Act your age. Herblenny, stop flaming Jason. I know the story having heard it in its entireity from the horse's mouth himself. You got what you "paid" for. If you don't like it, go some place else. Many others have expressed having been satisfied with his work and the labour costs. Competition.
In my opinion, the only thing you're doing here is turning others off, including myself, from ever daring to do business with you by way of your arrogance and impossible-to-please, abusive attitude. Internet pitbull.
B
I met Jason a few weeks ago in Colorado while on a tuning trip. Spoke to him about this stuff. I like the guy a whole lot. Nice guy; real chatty, eager to do good and very eager to make friends and have people like and appreciate him. I could tell he was trying very hard at his business, having been in his same position several years ago. I could feel it. It was seething off of him. As a fellow business owner, it's a shame that nearly every single one of you that are posting in this thread, shooting spitwads at him, have absolutely zero idea what it's like to be on this end of the dollar bill. Not a clue.
We eat the cost when there's a question of something being wrong.
We have to fix things when a customer complains of something not being done right.
We have to assume liability, by default, when a
When we don't earn what we've initially projected ourselves to earn on a particular deal, we must blame ourselves and take responsibility.
We are forced to lower prices and raise not only the quality of our product or service but also our support because of competition. The guy down the street who does the same thing we do motivates us in this direction.
We are wholly responsible. If you tell us to jump, we must say, "how high?"
If we want to succeed, we must get up early, work all day long, miss meals sometimes, and go to bed late (or, in my case, take a 10 hr drive back home starting in the early evening because a customer's car was more important than my sleeping and eating.)
We are the ones that worry incessantly about doing a good job for you.
And, at the end of the day, we're still sweating how we'll pay our mortgages. We don't have a comfy cube to sit in while lounging around in an air-conditioned office.
We have every incentive in the world to do a great job at what we do, no matter what it is. We must. Without customers, we cease to exist. Our financial lives, for the most part, depend on them. We have the guts to pursue a dream and break out of the mold; think and do outside of the box as it were. We've purposefully and with great fortitude placed ourselves in a considerably more difficult situation to try and make those dreams come true.
What's the customer's responsibility in it? Nothing. You have the money. We have to cater to you 100% of the time because it's by sheer choice only that we'll get your money. It is so easy for a guy like you to bitch and scream without having any recourse thereafter. Notice I didn't say "complain".
Grow up, guys. Act your age. Herblenny, stop flaming Jason. I know the story having heard it in its entireity from the horse's mouth himself. You got what you "paid" for. If you don't like it, go some place else. Many others have expressed having been satisfied with his work and the labour costs. Competition.
In my opinion, the only thing you're doing here is turning others off, including myself, from ever daring to do business with you by way of your arrogance and impossible-to-please, abusive attitude. Internet pitbull.
B
06-04-07, 03:31 PM
#158
Interesting Mr. Cain,
So, did you actually read what happened or did you just get the one sided view from Sonix7 aka Jason Evans??
Before you calling me a "internet pitbull" or I need to act my age, you need to understand that I was patient and willing to help this guy out. You think someone pulling crap like sending painted door panels and shitty overlay job and ruining parts is what customers have to deal with, then obviously your ethics behind running a business is questionable.
I do understand that running a business might be tough. I tried to help this guy (if you read from the start) but at the end, he screwed me. So, before you call me arrogant or impossible to please, because I believe in people's words then you are absolutely wrong!! Again, since you didn't read, Ill quickly recap... Jason offered to do what ever he offered to do for free! I gave him over 1000 dollars or more, stuff and money when he offered to do it for free..
I respect those who come on the forum, wanting to make honest living out of what they are passionate about. I also had respect of you running around the country so called tuning people's car for those who have no idea about tuning. Good for you that you are doing that.. But now, you obviously put bad taste in my mouth when you come on here without really knowing what the situation is and calling me names..
Look again in this forum.. I have given plenty of time for Jason to do the right thing!! If you can't see that, you are no better than Jason!
Good luck! Maybe I'll come see you in Huntsville and explain it to you in person! If you think I'm a "internet pitbull" after you hear my story, thats fine.
So, did you actually read what happened or did you just get the one sided view from Sonix7 aka Jason Evans??
Before you calling me a "internet pitbull" or I need to act my age, you need to understand that I was patient and willing to help this guy out. You think someone pulling crap like sending painted door panels and shitty overlay job and ruining parts is what customers have to deal with, then obviously your ethics behind running a business is questionable.
I do understand that running a business might be tough. I tried to help this guy (if you read from the start) but at the end, he screwed me. So, before you call me arrogant or impossible to please, because I believe in people's words then you are absolutely wrong!! Again, since you didn't read, Ill quickly recap... Jason offered to do what ever he offered to do for free! I gave him over 1000 dollars or more, stuff and money when he offered to do it for free..
I respect those who come on the forum, wanting to make honest living out of what they are passionate about. I also had respect of you running around the country so called tuning people's car for those who have no idea about tuning. Good for you that you are doing that.. But now, you obviously put bad taste in my mouth when you come on here without really knowing what the situation is and calling me names..
Look again in this forum.. I have given plenty of time for Jason to do the right thing!! If you can't see that, you are no better than Jason!
Good luck! Maybe I'll come see you in Huntsville and explain it to you in person! If you think I'm a "internet pitbull" after you hear my story, thats fine.
06-04-07, 04:46 PM
#160
We eat the cost when there's a question of something being wrong.
We have to fix things when a customer complains of something not being done right.
We have to assume liability, by default, when a
When we don't earn what we've initially projected ourselves to earn on a particular deal, we must blame ourselves and take responsibility.
We are forced to lower prices and raise not only the quality of our product or service but also our support because of competition. The guy down the street who does the same thing we do motivates us in this direction.
We are wholly responsible. If you tell us to jump, we must say, "how high?"
If we want to succeed, we must get up early, work all day long, miss meals sometimes, and go to bed late (or, in my case, take a 10 hr drive back home starting in the early evening because a customer's car was more important than my sleeping and eating.)
We are the ones that worry incessantly about doing a good job for you.
And, at the end of the day, we're still sweating how we'll pay our mortgages. We don't have a comfy cube to sit in while lounging around in an air-conditioned office.
We have every incentive in the world to do a great job at what we do, no matter what it is. We must. Without customers, we cease to exist. Our financial lives, for the most part, depend on them. We have the guts to pursue a dream and break out of the mold; think and do outside of the box as it were. We've purposefully and with great fortitude placed ourselves in a considerably more difficult situation to try and make those dreams come true.
What's the customer's responsibility in it? Nothing. You have the money. We have to cater to you 100% of the time because it's by sheer choice only that we'll get your money. It is so easy for a guy like you to bitch and scream without having any recourse thereafter. Notice I didn't say "complain".
06-04-07, 04:48 PM
#161
Can we get cliff notes? As of right now I agree 100% with brian because like him and sonix7 I'm a business owner and understand and can relate to that side of business as well as the the other side being a consumer and buying parts all the time for my car, my family, my house, my business etc... So that being said I've seen first hand those customers that cannot be satisfied at all no matter what you do, no matter how much money you lose because of them, no matter how much effert, time and, ulcer forming long nights of working on thier stuff you do. These customers you never want to get and to a degree I'm sorry for sonix7 that he had to have one of these customers so early on however this is nothing more than a good lesson learned for him.
Again please give us some cliff notes but from what I've read so far your just one of those customers no one likes to have. No offence just something you learn after a few years of being in business for yourself.
edit: but then again, I'm going to find the time to read all 16 or so pages of the other thead and the 7 pages on this thread and will coment on who I feel is right or wrong. I see both your points and to a degree understand you both, I'm going to have to sit down with a 6 pack tonight and read it all........Damn you guys and your crazy drama!
Again please give us some cliff notes but from what I've read so far your just one of those customers no one likes to have. No offence just something you learn after a few years of being in business for yourself.
edit: but then again, I'm going to find the time to read all 16 or so pages of the other thead and the 7 pages on this thread and will coment on who I feel is right or wrong. I see both your points and to a degree understand you both, I'm going to have to sit down with a 6 pack tonight and read it all........Damn you guys and your crazy drama!
Last edited by hondahater; 06-04-07 at 05:09 PM.
06-04-07, 04:58 PM
#162
Wow, I do not know were to begin here. I now both of you Phil and Brian pretty well. I can say from my dealings with both of you that you are stand up honest guys. Now I did not go back and read the complete thread (but I will) however I can say I have heard from Phil on this situation a couple months back. A group of us talked about this situation in depth at deals gap and were aware of his dealings with this guy. I know Phil is not lying on this and I am not real sure why Brian is going to bat for this guy. So until I here or read differant this guy owes Phil his stuff back or some money (maybe both) in my book.
As far as Phil being a internet Pitbull, **** I would do much more if it was me getting screwed out of 1k+!!
As far as Phil being a internet Pitbull, **** I would do much more if it was me getting screwed out of 1k+!!
Interesting thread. Like many others, it's devolved into nothing more than pigs rolling around in a mudpit. I'm glad Jason chose not to partake in that. Good for him.
I met Jason a few weeks ago in Colorado while on a tuning trip. Spoke to him about this stuff. I like the guy a whole lot. Nice guy; real chatty, eager to do good and very eager to make friends and have people like and appreciate him. I could tell he was trying very hard at his business, having been in his same position several years ago. I could feel it. It was seething off of him. As a fellow business owner, it's a shame that nearly every single one of you that are posting in this thread, shooting spitwads at him, have absolutely zero idea what it's like to be on this end of the dollar bill. Not a clue.
We eat the cost when there's a question of something being wrong.
We have to fix things when a customer complains of something not being done right.
We have to assume liability, by default, when a
When we don't earn what we've initially projected ourselves to earn on a particular deal, we must blame ourselves and take responsibility.
We are forced to lower prices and raise not only the quality of our product or service but also our support because of competition. The guy down the street who does the same thing we do motivates us in this direction.
We are wholly responsible. If you tell us to jump, we must say, "how high?"
If we want to succeed, we must get up early, work all day long, miss meals sometimes, and go to bed late (or, in my case, take a 10 hr drive back home starting in the early evening because a customer's car was more important than my sleeping and eating.)
We are the ones that worry incessantly about doing a good job for you.
And, at the end of the day, we're still sweating how we'll pay our mortgages. We don't have a comfy cube to sit in while lounging around in an air-conditioned office.
We have every incentive in the world to do a great job at what we do, no matter what it is. We must. Without customers, we cease to exist. Our financial lives, for the most part, depend on them. We have the guts to pursue a dream and break out of the mold; think and do outside of the box as it were. We've purposefully and with great fortitude placed ourselves in a considerably more difficult situation to try and make those dreams come true.
What's the customer's responsibility in it? Nothing. You have the money. We have to cater to you 100% of the time because it's by sheer choice only that we'll get your money. It is so easy for a guy like you to bitch and scream without having any recourse thereafter. Notice I didn't say "complain".
Grow up, guys. Act your age. Herblenny, stop flaming Jason. I know the story having heard it in its entireity from the horse's mouth himself. You got what you "paid" for. If you don't like it, go some place else. Many others have expressed having been satisfied with his work and the labour costs. Competition.
In my opinion, the only thing you're doing here is turning others off, including myself, from ever daring to do business with you by way of your arrogance and impossible-to-please, abusive attitude. Internet pitbull.
B
I met Jason a few weeks ago in Colorado while on a tuning trip. Spoke to him about this stuff. I like the guy a whole lot. Nice guy; real chatty, eager to do good and very eager to make friends and have people like and appreciate him. I could tell he was trying very hard at his business, having been in his same position several years ago. I could feel it. It was seething off of him. As a fellow business owner, it's a shame that nearly every single one of you that are posting in this thread, shooting spitwads at him, have absolutely zero idea what it's like to be on this end of the dollar bill. Not a clue.
We eat the cost when there's a question of something being wrong.
We have to fix things when a customer complains of something not being done right.
We have to assume liability, by default, when a
When we don't earn what we've initially projected ourselves to earn on a particular deal, we must blame ourselves and take responsibility.
We are forced to lower prices and raise not only the quality of our product or service but also our support because of competition. The guy down the street who does the same thing we do motivates us in this direction.
We are wholly responsible. If you tell us to jump, we must say, "how high?"
If we want to succeed, we must get up early, work all day long, miss meals sometimes, and go to bed late (or, in my case, take a 10 hr drive back home starting in the early evening because a customer's car was more important than my sleeping and eating.)
We are the ones that worry incessantly about doing a good job for you.
And, at the end of the day, we're still sweating how we'll pay our mortgages. We don't have a comfy cube to sit in while lounging around in an air-conditioned office.
We have every incentive in the world to do a great job at what we do, no matter what it is. We must. Without customers, we cease to exist. Our financial lives, for the most part, depend on them. We have the guts to pursue a dream and break out of the mold; think and do outside of the box as it were. We've purposefully and with great fortitude placed ourselves in a considerably more difficult situation to try and make those dreams come true.
What's the customer's responsibility in it? Nothing. You have the money. We have to cater to you 100% of the time because it's by sheer choice only that we'll get your money. It is so easy for a guy like you to bitch and scream without having any recourse thereafter. Notice I didn't say "complain".
Grow up, guys. Act your age. Herblenny, stop flaming Jason. I know the story having heard it in its entireity from the horse's mouth himself. You got what you "paid" for. If you don't like it, go some place else. Many others have expressed having been satisfied with his work and the labour costs. Competition.
In my opinion, the only thing you're doing here is turning others off, including myself, from ever daring to do business with you by way of your arrogance and impossible-to-please, abusive attitude. Internet pitbull.
B
06-04-07, 05:01 PM
#163
Well....i'll admit thats a great way to conduct business. But....Jason aka:sonix7 failed to come through on about 90% of that guideline you just spoke of. I have alot of respect for you and your business Brian. But have a conversation with Phil about this problem and see what your conclusions are then.
Brian, Also remember that I waited 1.5 years and hours and hours and hours emailing and on the phone trying to get Jason to send my parts back! It wasn't until Sonix7/ Jason Even/ Douche bag sends me painted tan door panels and sells my panels to someone else... Obviously you think thats OK??? I now question your ethics as a businessman on this forum...
And regarding the money thing.. I also work hard for my money and I think any customers will agree, we all want what we paid for! There is a limitation in which we as a customer should understand the seller/business. In my situation, I have surpass that limitation (1.5 years!).. Maybe in your eyes as a seller/business, I should of waited LONGER, but my time just as your time is valueable.. I rather not deal with hours and hours of excuses and use that time enjoy my hobby or else.. Again, if you read the whole thread, you'll see that ultimately I took a lost and asked him to just send my parts back.. instead, he sells my parts and send inferior tan door panels.. Maybe because you are a 2nd gen owner but tan panels are worthless.. I guess you don't understand that and see one sided view just because you met this guy in person and was nice to you... Again, good luck!
06-04-07, 05:10 PM
#164
Oh, yeah I own my own business as well (12+ years) and its retail so I deal with tons of happy and very few unhappy customers. For example, If a customer wanted me to modify his Hockey skates and I was to screw them up during the process I would buy him new one's not give him some patch up painted other ones!!!
06-04-07, 05:11 PM
#165
Can we get cliff notes? As of right now I agree 100% with brian because like him and sonix7 I'm a business owner and understand and can relate to that side of business as well as the the other side being a consumer and buying parts all the time for my car, my family, my house, my business etc... So that being said I've seen first hand those customers that cannot be satisfied at all no matter what you do, no matter how much money you lose because of them, no matter how much effert, time and, ulcer forming long nights of working on thier stuff you do. These customers you never want to get and to a degree I'm sorry for sonix7 that he had to have one of these customers so early on however this is nothing more than a good lesson learned for him.
Again please give us some cliff notes but from what I've read so far your just one of those customers no one likes to have. No offence just something you learn after a few years of being in business for yourself.
Again please give us some cliff notes but from what I've read so far your just one of those customers no one likes to have. No offence just something you learn after a few years of being in business for yourself.
Hondahater,
I'm a supporter of small businesses..
If you see 2006 DGRR event, Jason was a vendor on there.. If you read the thread, you will see that I have tried to help him promote his business and such.. via my event, other car shows, etc.
i don't consider myself un-reasonable person. I've spend hours and hours helping him with his business, providing parts, getting him materials, giving him info and tricks i've learn, etc.... so he could start his business.
When he offered to do my parts for free, I didn't want "FREE" as he was trying to start a business.. So, I told him, I'll buy material, gave him parts for his car, money, etc (over $1000). After a year, I just wanted my parts back as I had it with wasting my time emailing him and hearing the same excuses.. and he dragged on for another 6 months sending rest of my parts and finally crappy parts that I can't use. Mean while, my car was down and couldn't do anything (short version).
What I don't appreciate is Mr Cain, coming on here, hearing one side of the story from some guy he met and calling me names. I find that somewhat ironic in that that itself is somewhat un-professional.
06-04-07, 05:15 PM
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Phil maybe you should repost some of the pics just so these newer people chiming in on an old story can get a good look at what you got. Your old pics and links seem to have been deleted or moved I know the door panel links on the first page take me to a "you are not authorized" page.
And no offense to others but if you only listen to one side of a story, which happens to come from the seller in question how is obviously trying to save his *** and look like the better man, then you are getting just that, a one sided story. Phil, when this first came up documented everything, pictures, pm's, etc and Jasons basic comeback was "your too picky and you got it all for free" apparently overlooking the resin, fiber, shiftknob, money, etc that phil paid out to him. Also this was all paid out when Jason offered to do this all for free as shown from emails and pm's since phil helped him out with information and such that phil had taken the time to research and look into. Then the painted tan to look black door panels was a complete scam. So in the end Phil is out money and items, stuck with useless items like the warped, shrunk interior pieces yet you want to call him out because you met Jason and he "told" you different. I'm sure given the chance, Phil would gladly fill you in on the "whole" story and if you were ever in town could show you (if he hasn't deposeted them in the local land field) worthless parts, tan panels, exessive resined, out of line pattern pieces that he recieved for his time, items, money.
-Jonathan
And no offense to others but if you only listen to one side of a story, which happens to come from the seller in question how is obviously trying to save his *** and look like the better man, then you are getting just that, a one sided story. Phil, when this first came up documented everything, pictures, pm's, etc and Jasons basic comeback was "your too picky and you got it all for free" apparently overlooking the resin, fiber, shiftknob, money, etc that phil paid out to him. Also this was all paid out when Jason offered to do this all for free as shown from emails and pm's since phil helped him out with information and such that phil had taken the time to research and look into. Then the painted tan to look black door panels was a complete scam. So in the end Phil is out money and items, stuck with useless items like the warped, shrunk interior pieces yet you want to call him out because you met Jason and he "told" you different. I'm sure given the chance, Phil would gladly fill you in on the "whole" story and if you were ever in town could show you (if he hasn't deposeted them in the local land field) worthless parts, tan panels, exessive resined, out of line pattern pieces that he recieved for his time, items, money.
-Jonathan
06-04-07, 05:20 PM
#167
Oh, yeah I own my own business as well (12+ years) and its retail so I deal with tons of happy and very few unhappy customers. For example, If a customer wanted me to modify his Hockey skates and I was to screw them up during the process I would buy him new one's not give him some patch up painted other ones!!!
In similar defense..
I used to do 99 spec tail light conversions on this forum.. so, I guess I was a small time business.
Say if I told a fellow "7 owner" that I would do his lights for free.. he says, "No, let me at least give you or buy your materials!". I say sure! That would be nice of you!
He send me his lights, I tried to do them and realized its not worth it.. So, I sell those lights! The "7 owner" now wonders when it will be done.. He emails me, I lie and say, "Oh, it will be ready in couple of weeks".. This goes on for months,... then a year!
Finally the "7 owner" says, "Don't worry about the lights.. I just need the lights so that I could drive my car.. I haven't driven it for a year now. Just please send them!! I don't care if they are done or not!"
I then tell him, "I need some money for shipping!"
"7 owner" says, "how much?"
I say, "$50"
He sends me the money and I still don't send him the lights..
He kept emailing me and finally I send him the lights after almost 1.5 years later.. the guy gets all scratched up tail lights!
So, Who's wrong here??? This made up story is pretty much what happened... If I actually did this to someone, and especially you (whoever is reading it). I say you would be pissed too!
Last edited by Herblenny; 06-04-07 at 05:31 PM.
06-04-07, 05:28 PM
#168
Phil maybe you should repost some of the pics just so these newer people chiming in on an old story can get a good look at what you got. Your old pics and links seem to have been deleted or moved I know the door panel links on the first page take me to a "you are not authorized" page.
And no offense to others but if you only listen to one side of a story, which happens to come from the seller in question how is obviously trying to save his *** and look like the better man, then you are getting just that, a one sided story. Phil, when this first came up documented everything, pictures, pm's, etc and Jasons basic comeback was "your too picky and you got it all for free" apparently overlooking the resin, fiber, shiftknob, money, etc that phil paid out to him. Also this was all paid out when Jason offered to do this all for free as shown from emails and pm's since phil helped him out with information and such that phil had taken the time to research and look into. Then the painted tan to look black door panels was a complete scam. So in the end Phil is out money and items, stuck with useless items like the warped, shrunk interior pieces yet you want to call him out because you met Jason and he "told" you different. I'm sure given the chance, Phil would gladly fill you in on the "whole" story and if you were ever in town could show you (if he hasn't deposeted them in the local land field) worthless parts, tan panels, exessive resined, out of line pattern pieces that he recieved for his time, items, money.
-Jonathan
And no offense to others but if you only listen to one side of a story, which happens to come from the seller in question how is obviously trying to save his *** and look like the better man, then you are getting just that, a one sided story. Phil, when this first came up documented everything, pictures, pm's, etc and Jasons basic comeback was "your too picky and you got it all for free" apparently overlooking the resin, fiber, shiftknob, money, etc that phil paid out to him. Also this was all paid out when Jason offered to do this all for free as shown from emails and pm's since phil helped him out with information and such that phil had taken the time to research and look into. Then the painted tan to look black door panels was a complete scam. So in the end Phil is out money and items, stuck with useless items like the warped, shrunk interior pieces yet you want to call him out because you met Jason and he "told" you different. I'm sure given the chance, Phil would gladly fill you in on the "whole" story and if you were ever in town could show you (if he hasn't deposeted them in the local land field) worthless parts, tan panels, exessive resined, out of line pattern pieces that he recieved for his time, items, money.
-Jonathan
I will try to re-take some pics to show some of the shady parts I receieved.
I looked at one of the parts this weekend to see if I could fix it and its was ruined. It was 7inch Xanarc screen molded into AC panel. All the buttons are resin'd in and only way would be for me to rip it back out and put a new screen panel in and over lay it again. I hope some of you realize, we are not talking about some molecular genetics here.. Simple overlay! Which I could of easily done over 1.5 years!
I'll post some pics later!
06-04-07, 07:03 PM
#169
ok I see what you guys are saying, and agree, if there are two parties, one doesn't get his stuff and/or gets them not as described/agreed apon then there is obviously something wrong (hence the ggbg post). I think the reason it's hard for brian to see or myself is because we are good business owners with nothing but the best intent and no matter what the means we will always go above and beyond for the ends. This however is not always true for everyone out there starting up a business or maybe it is but they just find that the work is harder than what they want or expected so they fall short. I don't have a doubt in my mind about brians ethics and quality of product. I've told him on several occations that I trust him 100% witch is very nice to have that confidence in someone when it comes to anything rotary related. Anyways I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think this guy did have the best intentions from the start but maybe found himself biting of more than he could chew with this extensive project. Others have found his work to be just fine but their projects where no where near that of yours. I think where he went wrong was his failure to convey this to you. As a new business owner that can be very hard to say. With that being said I don't think he diserves a bad rep just a clear note that he is good at small projects not anything large scale. Good luck to both of you!
06-04-07, 07:07 PM
#170
Oh, yeah I own my own business as well (12+ years) and its retail so I deal with tons of happy and very few unhappy customers. For example, If a customer wanted me to modify his Hockey skates and I was to screw them up during the process I would buy him new one's not give him some patch up painted other ones!!!
Hockey? Im gonna have to get in contact with ya....im needing some new skates soon!
Anyway....i hope everyone gets all the facts before they come to a conclusion. Good Luck Phil....i hope someday that Jason comes out of his shell to make things right.
Last edited by rx7goomba; 06-04-07 at 07:13 PM.
06-04-07, 09:27 PM
#171
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
ok I have heard and seen enough. First of all I can't believe that this is still going. I am not hiding. Phil knows where I am at. He has never once contacted me to fix this. Matter of fact he has been roasting me for 6 months now. I must first say, thanx to everyone that has stood up for me. I appreciate the respect. This is a matter of opinion. Phil feels a certain way and is making a lot of far fetched claims in reply to that. I spent months and thousands of my own dollars to get Phil 20+ parts, all custom. There were agreements and arrangements made for the project. I am not going to sit here and defend myself against a bunch of people that are intent on bashing me. I do what I do, its never been a secret. From day one on my site it explains in extreme detail exactly what I do and how I do it. It tells you how to contact me. I am not hiding. I am not choosing to be ganged up on over a deal between me and someone else. Second of all, I am proud of the work I do and I am sorry to anyone that has felt cheated. Too bad there is only this one person that has ever done this. I am not going to loose sleep over this because this guy was not happy with my best work. I did my best and I am not sorry for that. I am not going to make excuses for anything. This thread is a personal vendetta. THIS GUY NEVER CONTACTED ME TO FIX THIS IN THE PROPER MANNER. Regardless, the damage is done. All I have seen is a bunch of far fetched claims and a few shotty pics. I never told Phil I would replace stuff if he was not satisfied. None of the parts were new. Some were very damaged. Oh well! The fact of the matter is, Phil could never repay me for the damage that is done. Its over. This is BS that I am sitting here defending myself for doing my best and slaving over those parts for this guy. I lost a huge amount of money and time in the process. I made a huge mistake and I learned my lesson, but I am damn proud of who I am and what I do. My craft is unlike any other, there is no guidelines for how to do it. I am a family man that has a regular full time job, I do this on the side. Lets get real! I am no manufacturer, I am no wherehouse. I am a sole fabricator and I am getting better as I go. No secrets. I got people that roasted me contacting me for parts now. Are you kidding? There is a huge misconception here and personally its futile at this point. For those that want to find me in person, I can give you a map. Its funny how people on the internet feel so entitled to track people down and all of that. Be careful. I don't play around with stuff like that. This has gone too far, what next? Phil do you want to meet in person to resolve this? Whats the deal, are you obsessed with this. What do you want to do? If you think I am going to be willing to do anything with you after this, your sadly mistaken. Bottomline is that I am a man, and if you got an issue with me we can resolve it. This is what you get for trying to do good for people you think are cool. Regardless, you look foolish for persuing this and honestly, you don't want to handle this in a business manner. At this point there is no solution. Thanx to everyone that put there rep or name on the line for me. Much respect. There is nothing else to say. Have fun.
06-04-07, 10:49 PM
#172
LOL! Scammer returns!!
I'll state it again to your endless false claims and excuses.... I'm sure others whom have read original thread and this thread realized you are nothing but false claims and such.
Regarding your statement about not working things out!
I clearly remember Joe trying to mediate between us trying to resolve the matter, I think you were the one who kept insisting that I didn't not pay you and that you did that overlay for FREE!!!!. I said, if that is the case, its very simple, return what i have given you, paid you, return my original door panels and call it end! You never responded.... Should I pull out all the emails again?? LOL!
Also, whatever happened to your claim to contacting the lawyer and making a lawsuit?? Funny how you get back on say I never try to "FIX THIS IN PROPER MANNER".. After 1.5 year wasn't enough??? Again, you and Brian Cain needs to read this thread again and get back to me.. I've tried and tried to get things right thru that 1.5 years. Do you think I had no right to do this after you tried to screw me with half *** done parts and then selling my door panels to someone else (which by the way he started working on a year before and sells it 2 weeks before sending the painted tan panels and say you "refreshed" the part??) Do you really think you trying to pull one on me and me trying to just get my parts back isn't trying to work out the situation?? Its funny when things turn my side, you finally now wants to work things out.. Its quite funny.. And then after you threaten to make a lawsuit.. Again, funny! You think "normal" people who spent 1.5 years would trust you enough to send the parts back to you?? I don't have another 1.5 years waiting and dealing with your excuses!!
If you want to make it right, simple... return what I bought for you. LOL! Again, you are nothing but false promises and excuses.. Show us what you are made of... I think we all know you are nothing but words... Only real men follow thru their words... Obviously you are want a bee real men... Its also funny how after BDC gets on and defend you you finally get back on and defending yourself and trying to bad mouth me again.. Stating, "You know where I am at".... LOL! So do you douche bag, Sonix7, Jason Evans, wantabee CF overlaying mother ******!
I need to point out one thing.. He make it sound like he spend 1.5 years working on my parts.. I have email documentation showing he overlayed 70+% of parts within first 3 months.. It took him another year making excuses and scammed me of parts and wasted my time. Now who thinks thats honest business?? LOL! Thats right I'm laughing again! Funny how people's perception on things are..
I'll state it again to your endless false claims and excuses.... I'm sure others whom have read original thread and this thread realized you are nothing but false claims and such.
Regarding your statement about not working things out!
I clearly remember Joe trying to mediate between us trying to resolve the matter, I think you were the one who kept insisting that I didn't not pay you and that you did that overlay for FREE!!!!. I said, if that is the case, its very simple, return what i have given you, paid you, return my original door panels and call it end! You never responded.... Should I pull out all the emails again?? LOL!
Also, whatever happened to your claim to contacting the lawyer and making a lawsuit?? Funny how you get back on say I never try to "FIX THIS IN PROPER MANNER".. After 1.5 year wasn't enough??? Again, you and Brian Cain needs to read this thread again and get back to me.. I've tried and tried to get things right thru that 1.5 years. Do you think I had no right to do this after you tried to screw me with half *** done parts and then selling my door panels to someone else (which by the way he started working on a year before and sells it 2 weeks before sending the painted tan panels and say you "refreshed" the part??) Do you really think you trying to pull one on me and me trying to just get my parts back isn't trying to work out the situation?? Its funny when things turn my side, you finally now wants to work things out.. Its quite funny.. And then after you threaten to make a lawsuit.. Again, funny! You think "normal" people who spent 1.5 years would trust you enough to send the parts back to you?? I don't have another 1.5 years waiting and dealing with your excuses!!
If you want to make it right, simple... return what I bought for you. LOL! Again, you are nothing but false promises and excuses.. Show us what you are made of... I think we all know you are nothing but words... Only real men follow thru their words... Obviously you are want a bee real men... Its also funny how after BDC gets on and defend you you finally get back on and defending yourself and trying to bad mouth me again.. Stating, "You know where I am at".... LOL! So do you douche bag, Sonix7, Jason Evans, wantabee CF overlaying mother ******!
I need to point out one thing.. He make it sound like he spend 1.5 years working on my parts.. I have email documentation showing he overlayed 70+% of parts within first 3 months.. It took him another year making excuses and scammed me of parts and wasted my time. Now who thinks thats honest business?? LOL! Thats right I'm laughing again! Funny how people's perception on things are..
06-05-07, 10:01 AM
#173
I'm listening to you and decided that I do need to be the "Internet Pitbull".. Hence my new avitar.. LOL!
As a customer, I think I have more choices of whom I do business than your "arrogance" and prejudice stating without knowing the full story and say you will not do business with me..
I personally would be scare to do business and I think others should be also.. Since this is your attitude and who knows, just because you don't like someone, you might give them a bad tune... You stating here kind of show thats highly possible
06-05-07, 10:19 AM
#174
By the way,
Mr Cain does have my phone number and would of been very easy for him to contact me.
It was only 2 months ago when he called me to see if I had any housings forsale.. Funny why he didn't want to ask me what happened then?? And take sides with Sonix7/Jason Evans/Douche bag!
And regarding so called, "business"... This is NOT my way of living but I have bought and sold part here on the forum for years... And also provided some local tool wrenching in town... I also know and understand what it is to run a "business" and what customer service is.. But ultimately, I understand that most of us on here, rotary is our passion.
This thread is to show, what kind of people we have on here and what kind of Bull **** goes on! Read it for enjoyment or read it for new lesson in life.. Either case, I'm sure people will make up there own conclusions based on facts!! which I'm providing.. I have already decided that I've wasted 1.5 years of my life dealing with scums like Jason and who know whom else will pop up on this forum.. Either case, I tried my best to get rotary people together (via DGRR) and warn of scums like Jason Evans..
Mr Cain does have my phone number and would of been very easy for him to contact me.
It was only 2 months ago when he called me to see if I had any housings forsale.. Funny why he didn't want to ask me what happened then?? And take sides with Sonix7/Jason Evans/Douche bag!
And regarding so called, "business"... This is NOT my way of living but I have bought and sold part here on the forum for years... And also provided some local tool wrenching in town... I also know and understand what it is to run a "business" and what customer service is.. But ultimately, I understand that most of us on here, rotary is our passion.
This thread is to show, what kind of people we have on here and what kind of Bull **** goes on! Read it for enjoyment or read it for new lesson in life.. Either case, I'm sure people will make up there own conclusions based on facts!! which I'm providing.. I have already decided that I've wasted 1.5 years of my life dealing with scums like Jason and who know whom else will pop up on this forum.. Either case, I tried my best to get rotary people together (via DGRR) and warn of scums like Jason Evans..
Last edited by Herblenny; 06-05-07 at 10:26 AM.
06-05-07, 10:49 AM
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I'm not posting a long drawn out thing because I don't feel like it. But I for one have seen some of the parts PHIL received. Some do not even fit, you COULD NOT put them back on if you wanted because they just won't go into place, and that is not even talking about how bad some of it looks. Resin going everwhere, runs and basically folded up material that wasn't spread/smoothed out right. Phil never asked for perfect pieces, he just wanted decent pieces, and from what I've seen of them most are not even usable at all.
I do not know Sonic7 and am not trying to bash him, but if you run a business and send a part that doesn't work, you either a)fix it, b)replace it totally, or c)refund the cost.
And for those that just jump in and started bashing Phil, you might want to READ THE STORY or give him a call, he has said he is more than willing to tell his story.
I do not know Sonic7 and am not trying to bash him, but if you run a business and send a part that doesn't work, you either a)fix it, b)replace it totally, or c)refund the cost.
And for those that just jump in and started bashing Phil, you might want to READ THE STORY or give him a call, he has said he is more than willing to tell his story.