wanklin

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BDC, you are trying to apply your value set to external situations. While you may view telling the truth as the only way out of a mess, others do not.

There has been enough information posted for people to make up their own minds and we all know that the truth is in some gray area between what Phil and Jason have told us. It's not that either party is lying, but that they have incongruous interpretations of the events that have transpired.

At the end of the day Jason's business rests on the quality of his product; which clearly isn't quite up to par for some people, regardless of how nice or ethical he may really be.

wanklin

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Phil, he's just, in good faith, trying to help out the under-dog in this situation; I think that's respectable. I say just let him state his opinion and let him be.

Herblenny

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I understand that one trying to help a under-dog or friends, etc.

I think what bothers me about BDC at this point is initial name calling and without actually understanding the issues.

I find that unprofessional and uncall for. He calls me arrogant and thinks he has the right to say that and think Im just going to sit back and take it like some kid, hes absolutely wrong. I'm sure you, and others in my situation would do something very similar. Again, I stated from the start, he should of gotten my side of the story before his almighty god complex gave him the right to call me "Internet Pitbull".. Which, I guess now I just have to keep going at it! LOL!

Again, BDC has my number and could of contacted me if he had issue with this thread and way it was going.... especially not knowing my side of the story.. Am I wrong about this??

hus

Brian, I appreciate you taking the time to read what I wrote but I would like to comment on a few things:

Ok, you have talked to Jason personally and I understand that but besides the fact that Phil is a friend of mine and having seen some of the parts, if I lived in Egypt and read the emails that Phil posted between the two of them and looked at the pictures he posted as well....I would have a hard time coming to the same conclusion.

I understand what you are saying but consider this: What does Phil have to gain by falsey accusing Jason of such things? Phil has several Mazda connections, he has 3 FDs and a RX2. Phil also has very respectable job. What I'm getting at here is that I don't think Phil is trying to gain anything for FREE because I don't believe Phil has to. Like he said, it's a matter of the time it took, compiled by the excuses given, multiplied by the finished product. I believe the time it took to do this is unexcusable but the pain of that probably could've been forgiven if the finished product was up to par given the supposed amount of time and "hard work" spent doing it...then we might not be having this conversation.

Jason brought up us Alabama guys. The only reason I brought up Alabama people was because Jason thinks we're all running to Phil's aid because we're from where Phil is. If I thought Phil was in the wrong about who did what in the originial "project deal" then I would say so. This has to do with time and the quality of work that was done whether free or not. Yes, Phil is a friend but most people on here realize quality work when they see it and I don't believe Jason came close to making anything look to par because if he did then certain items would fit properly and they don't.


Nope. I didn't make it last year but my real name is Brad. I live about an hour from Mike and about hour-and-a-half from Phil.


I agree with this somewhat. The fact that anybody would keep parts of anyone else's regardless of circumstance is ridiculous. I wouldn't look for Phil to just simply wash his hands of it because Jason can never return time lost.


Brian, the problem with this that this is almost a statement of, "Yeah, I sent you crappy stuff but so what, you didn't pay for it anyway." Like I said earlier this is a poor way to conduct even personal matters. Even if Phil really didn't ever pay for anything (and I'm not saying he didn't) should Jason have sent him a poorly finished product while still hanging on to parts that aren't his??


The thing is that I don't think Jason or Phil wanted any of this to happen but it did. I think this was supposed to be a deal of "I scratch your back and you scratch mine" but instead someone was itching and someone else didn't do any scratching...<---might of confused everyone including myself with that one. Anyway, whether my opinion means anything or not, I can't for any reason understand anything Jason has done so far.

Brad

XxMerlinxX

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Yes you're wrong. You act like a ******* child. He didn't even say you needed to act your own age, he said "Grow up, guys. Act your age". Unless your name has suddenly changed from "Phil" to "Guys", then he obviously wasn't addressing you. But you had to start attacking him for posting contrary to what you believe. You start bringing up his work ethic which has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. You may not like his reasoning, but that's another matter entirely separate from how he runs his own business. To try to suddenly drag him through the mud is childish and asinine. But of course, you're not childish right? You can take some criticism like a man. No the **** you can't, you go and step all over his tuning thread in the SE section under the guise of being "helpful".

BDC

Everyone projects their own values on things (their worldview) every single time they interact with someone else. As far as the truth goes, I do believe it's the way to solve things, whether it has a sweet or bitter taste at the end of the day. Having that kind of attitude, in my opinion atleast regarding my own history, has led me to being better and more skilled at what I do than when I started. I think this situation is no different -- both sides need to set aside their own personal feelings and recognize their own responsibility in things given the "hats" they were wearing -- Phil wearing the consumer/promoter hat and Jason wearing the business man, product provider hat. Does that sound reasonable?

I agree. I see it in court cases all the time.

I agree on that as well, although I would add a few more specifics to the "quality of product" argument. As best as I can tell, the only real dissatisfied person that I'm aware of is Phil. Others have posted to the contrary. This is one of the few reasons why I feel Jason's side has considerably more strength than what is being portrayed here on this forum.

B

BecauseYourWrong

+1 lol.

Herblenny

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Let some of the pictures do the talking....

suppose to fit 50mm gauges..





Same panel, with 7in screen surround molded in.. Buttons are resin'd in and useless.


Infamous door panels... see which one is the real blk panels..




Misc. parts that doesnt fit..

wanklin

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Acknowledging a biased conceptualization of the world doesn't make it rational to assume that everyone has a similar value set. There's nothing wrong with being optimistic, but you can't pragmatically say that there existed no incentive to lie.

Very reasonable.

I just think you need to do a bit more research before solidifying your assumption that product quality has not been an issue. Not to say that he hasn't progressed....

Herblenny

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More pics..

Herblenny

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Herblenny

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And read this post I made awhile back..

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=26

Click on the link above for all the **** I gave him and shitty parts I've recieved.. I think waiting 1.5 years, dealing with his excuses, I have the right be bitch a little (or more)... LOL!

Now if you think what he did is OK, send me your parts and I'll treat you the same....

SPOautos

I have to say, Phil is a very close friend of mine but that has nothing to do with my opinion in this. If I sent someone my black door panels and he sent me back painted tan panels Id be looking to kick someones ***. There is no excuse for that. I dont care if he messed up the black ones, sold the black ones, no matter what it was he should have sent back the parts he recieved or thier equal. Ghetto painted tan panels are not equevelant to stock black panels....not even close and especially not for someone that is trying to build a show car.

That one point alone would make it worth the guys rep being ruined and his business shut down. If he will do it to his first customer he will do it to any of his customers.

Brian, that would be like someone sending you a crate brand new engine parts and then you not building thier engine and sending them back a bunch of used crap that they cant use because you sold all thier brand new race parts. I know there is no way you would ever concieve of such a thing.....I would certainly hope not anyway.

I agree the guy is getting roaster pretty good, but if you ask me he deserves every bit of it just for swapping out the door panels that way. Not to mention all the other interior panels that are now worthless trash because they cant be used and are now ruined. Do you know how much money it will take to replace all those panels??? FD interior panels are not cheap. If they guy didnt know what he was doing he should have been practicing on his own panels, not other peoples. If make certain that I absolutly knew what I was doing before I started spreading resin all over someones interior.

Stephen

rx7goomba

First of all...you've already proven you're a friggen idiot over the past 2 months of the crap you've posted on here. So your opinion is pretty much worthless.

And secondly....its funny how you mention "being a man...and taking some criticism". If i can remember correctly....didnt a admin ban you recently for threatening people on here? Kid...just sit down and be quiet. You have absolutely no room to even comment on this.

charlies7

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Whats your problem and calling everyone "kid"? Also what gives you the authority to tell people what to do? All you do is bum around the GG/BG section with WORTHLESS information. Maybe you should take your own advice and do us all a favor.

rx7goomba

Only one i call a kid is XxMerlinxX. XxMerlinxX has constantly followed Phil around on his posts to talk **** about him every chance he could get. Go search assface....maybe you'll learn something about you're boyfriend XxMerlinxX.

sk8world

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First I saw of these parts. Speaks for itself. Maybe he did his best to build these but the bottom line is that it all looks like crap!

dhahlen

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Go herb, go herb, lol.

That product looks like ***... granted I didn't read anything you or anyone else, but the pics make it looks like ****.

Good luck with whatever you're trying to accomplish - I've always been satisfied with the business we've done in the past.

charlies7

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nice choice of words, too bad i dont stoop to your level.

dhahlen

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Had to edit my post cause someone did some favors....

XxMerlinxX

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Did you get that busted lip because you opened your fat mouth when you shouldn't have? Wouldn't surprise me in the least "kid". Way to bring something worthwhile to the conversation. And you talk about me following Phil around??? I bet you've posted in every single thread he's started within the past 2 months. But please, contribute more invaluable information to the thread, it could use some more name calling and childishness.

dhahlen

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Oh almost forgot...

rx7goomba

You being banned for threatening people isnt invaluable information. Yup....keep dodging that issue

XxMerlinxX

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Lmao, you're right, it isn't invaluable information. That's kind of my point. But keep dodging what? Yeah, I got banned. And? How does that have any bearing on the matter at hand?

SPOautos

For the record I dont know who all was mentioning about running a business, ect. But as MANY people know, Phil does TONS of purchasing, selling, and trading to people in the rx7 community. Anyone that has ever been inside his house can attest to that hahaha. He personally does more business than most of the smaller venders. It wouldnt suprise me one bit if he has bought and sold over $100K worth of parts to forum members over the past few years.