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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 05:30 AM
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i still don't really see how you will get the stat gears to work with the standard 13B center irons.
A lot of machining of course but it's possible Like those





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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 08:14 AM
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Please tell me those irons weren't media blasted.
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tegheim
Have drawn the rear counterweight. It's not precise, but near enough at the moment.
This weekend I moved the last from my old appartment to our new house, so soon the "build" will continue



I was just wondering why you used splines for the counter weight. stronger than using a key?
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by He's On Toroids
Please tell me those irons weren't media blasted.
Media Blasted? That means?


Originally Posted by 87GTR
I was just wondering why you used splines for the counter weight. stronger than using a key?
In a stock shaft it's not the key that holds the flywheel only, as a mather of fact the most power goes through the cone-fitting. The key just helps it out.

In my model, there are not place for any cone-attachment, the outer diameter are to small on the rear axle. So then you use splines instead and an M27x1.5 nut to hold it axial.
The spline are very strong, and the type I will use hold for about 1000kW at 10 000rpm before it breaks. At least thats what the program tell me



Hope you understand, or else you ask again
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tegheim
Media Blasted? That means?
Probably referring to glass bead which can change the surface as compared to plastic media blasting that can take the writing off of a coke can without hurting the surface. Baking soda works well on paint also.

In a stock shaft it's not the key that holds the flywheel only, as a mather of fact the most power goes through the cone-fitting. The key just helps it out.

The key is for alignment only. The counter weight is strategically located for balance, ignition timing also requires a "key".

The torque is carried by the taper only!


In my model, there are not place for any cone-attachment, the outer diameter are to small on the rear axle. So then you use splines instead and an M27x1.5 nut to hold it axial.
The spline are very strong, and the type I will use hold for about 1000kW at 10 000rpm before it breaks. At least thats what the program tell me

Hope you understand, or else you ask again
Great job Tegheim,
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 03:27 PM
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Media blasting (or abrasive blasting) is a general term for sandblasting with any type of material be it glass, sand, etc You might say: sandblästra (maybe?)

My concern is that from the pictures it looks like the irons may have been prepped in using that method. If so, it is crucial that they are cleaned effectively. The small particles get everywhere inside these engines and could destroy all your hard work. Even when they appear clean, there may still be some there.

I have never done this myself, but have read horror stories about the sand getting into the oil and destroying all the bearing surfaces and ruining the engine. With as much as you have invested in this project, I wouldn't take the chance.


If they haven't been blasted, those are some pretty irons. Are they brand new?
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 04:45 PM
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notice that he isnt the one that posted the irons..

they were only posted as a reference on how stationary gears could be set into "thin" irons
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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Thanks for the post. Really neat to watch the progress you are making.

One question, do you have any concerns with the 90 degree shoulder next to your splines? How will you cut the spline without the tool cutting into the extra adjacent material?

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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by stevensimon
notice that he isnt the one that posted the irons..

they were only posted as a reference on how stationary gears could be set into "thin" irons
Thank you for answering for me
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by He's On Toroids
Please tell me those irons weren't media blasted.
Those irons are brand new and FYI it's not mine

Here's the tread about it
https://www.rx7club.com/rotary-car-performance-77/another-4-rotor-build-788554/
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry Bordes
Great job Tegheim,
Barry
Thank you, we meant the same about the key in flywheel But you learned me some new words also

About Media Blast, I thought you meant that someone have posted som pics that weren't aloud to be posted Media such as Internet, Paper and Television
Language-fail again for me!

Originally Posted by He's On Toroids
Media blasting (or abrasive blasting) is a general term for sandblasting with any type of material be it glass, sand, etc You might say: sandblästra (maybe?)

My concern is that from the pictures it looks like the irons may have been prepped in using that method. If so, it is crucial that they are cleaned effectively. The small particles get everywhere inside these engines and could destroy all your hard work. Even when they appear clean, there may still be some there.

I have never done this myself, but have read horror stories about the sand getting into the oil and destroying all the bearing surfaces and ruining the engine. With as much as you have invested in this project, I wouldn't take the chance.


If they haven't been blasted, those are some pretty irons. Are they brand new?
As someone already said, these aren't mine irons. I promise I will be very carefull with how I mount and clean my 4rotor


Originally Posted by bwaits_
Thanks for the post. Really neat to watch the progress you are making.

One question, do you have any concerns with the 90 degree shoulder next to your splines? How will you cut the spline without the tool cutting into the extra adjacent material?

-billy
If you mean the shoulder on the 4th rotor-beraing-assembly, so arent they on place when I cut the splines. Actually the splines will go past in under for some mm. Just enough so the counterweight will run smooth all way against the assembly. Then the M27-nut will hold it all together. If you are afraid that the spline will cut into the thread at rear, the bottom of the spline is 27.2mm, and the thread is outer diameter 27.0mm.

Hard to explain sometimes when my language isn't that good
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 05:11 AM
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Here some CAD-teasers...
A new watt-link-cover to the rear axle Volvo 1031


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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tegheim
Actually the splines will go past in under for some mm..... Hard to explain sometimes when my language isn't that good ...
Thanks for the clarification. That is what I figured.

Don't worry about your English. You are doing fine.

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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 08:36 AM
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Hehe, sorry about that. I guess I was too worried once I saw the pictures to read through it completely (or notice it wasn't OP). My bad

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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by He's On Toroids
Please tell me those irons weren't media blasted.
Those are brand new housings from Bruce in New Zealand. I recognize the oil mod above the oil filler. In fact Tagheims eccentric looks identical to Bruces which is modeled from Mazda design.
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 01:07 PM
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I read somewhere in this topic that you're building a 10cc rc modelrotary?

Next to my 1st gen 7 i spend a lot of time with rc modelplanes and one of them i fitted with an 5 cc OS rotary engine.

I'm the only one who uses this type of engine in our club, expensive but it goes like hell

Am still searching for a 50cc rotary, i know they are out there (used in chainsaws back in the 70ties) but extremely rare and way above budget.

BTW, awesome topic this one
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 03:43 PM
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http://www.renntechkarting.com/products_xr50.html
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 03:46 PM
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The Axiro 50 is 50HP, not 50CC
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tegheim
Here some CAD-teasers...
A new watt-link-cover to the rear axle Volvo 1031


Nice setup. We did you decide on the solid rear axle and not an independent rear end?
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinsFDpoweredFC
Nice setup. We did you decide on the solid rear axle and not an independent rear end?
Thats an old scar from when I started this project. Then I suposed to dragrace with the car. But then the car become more and more invidual and street/track-inspired. Maybe I will change the rear also, and use an independet rear.
But as you all know, there will be alot of work. Can't buy any bolt-on-products
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 05:51 PM
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Everyone dose bolt on's you got to be different use a full independent setup
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 07:49 PM
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So awesome.
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 05:33 PM
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What is your torque spec on the rear counterweight nut? Does it need to be as high as stock Mazda with their taper press fit?
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 07:35 PM
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god i wish i was this smart lol.
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 09:09 PM
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This is impressive work sir, my kudos to you.
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