i'm probably the minority opinion, but i didn't really like the S2k. on the street it feels big, slow and ponderous.

 

Exactly!

A slightly modded FD is in another league all together and not much can compare with the overall experience. It's a very special car.

 

It's probably because the ITR is stitch welded trash can, compared to the FD. Also, the ITR is worth less money.

 

And the number of people in this thread who have actually driven an ITR would be?

 

Dunno. We've probably all driven a lot of mediocre cars, collectively.

If you haven't had the pleasure, let me spoil it for you: The ITR feels like every other stiffened and cam'd FR Honda you ever drove.
You actually wouldn't even know, if your buddy didn't tell you it was a real type R every 30 seconds. Coulda been a sticker pack.

 

I'm not an ITR fanboi, nor do I think it's in the same league as an FD, but this just isn't true. Sorry.

 

in fact every white coupe with no sunroof is a type R now. the third one we built was a white coupe with no sunroof, and we were told it was a type R, a lot, and um it wasn't

the joke i read once: Chevy made 19,xxx Z28 Camaros in 1969, sadly only 345,000 survive

 

Which part of the push understeer, peaky power band, and well-braced-econo-box-vibe was most exciting in the ITR?

Can we do the S2k next? It's like someone put a jet-ski motor in a medium-boat.

 

Driving around with a wagon hatch on an RX-7 and talking **** about other cars. There's a Cartman meme in there somewhere.

 

I'll take his FD with the hatch over an integra or S2000 any day of the week. Hahaha

 

This is the second time Type R “envy” has derailed this thread.

I spent time in a Type R at an autocross just a few days after driving a couple of exotics on a race track, and the experience was every bit as memorable.

I have never had the desire to own a Type R. Personally it just wasn’t my “style” of car. I have always preferred a classic FR sports car. The FD is the epitome of that.

I had multiple opportunities to own Type Rs for cheap and I just never bit the bullet. I have zero regrets about passing up on them, as I probably would have sold them MANY years before they reached today’s values. I feel the same about the S2000. They just weren’t for me.

However, I can still respect the Type R for what it is and am not at all surprised by the fact that good examples are commanding massive money in the collector car market. The Type R’s cultural impact was seismic, and LHD models were produced in low numbers. It was always destined to be a classic.

Those taking shots at the Type R think they are elevating the FD—when actually the opposite is occurring. If the Type R is so “garbage”, why do we keep circling back to this topic on an RX-7 forum? What do the kids say these days?….the Type R is living “rent free” in your heads.

By your logic, the FD is Michael Jordan and the ITR is a nobody at the local YMCA court…yet can you imagine Jordan needing to defend his record to a nobody?

Personally, as someone with firsthand experience with the Type R, I agree with the opinions of respected automotive journalists, enthusiasts, and industry folks who understand the car’s importance.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but this thread literally isn’t the place for that. Maybe make a “why the Type R sucks” thread in another section and have at it.

 

It's a public car forum, we can post comments if we like. If you don't like it maybe go elsewhere. No one is trying to tear down the ITR just to make the FD look better, so don't make assumptions like that.

All I meant is that if an ITR can go for $70k+, then it's a no brainer that FD prices will keep climbing, as there simply is no logical reason for an FD to be worse less from a performance and styling perspective. I have no idea what you mean by the ITR having a huge cultural impact. No more so than an FD.

 

This is a thread about FD values. Not Type R values. Like I said, this public forum has places for off topic conversations about other cars. I wasn’t aware the “How to value your FD” thread in the “3rd generation specific” forum was where we were supposed to debate Type R values, but you know that and simply fancy an argument this morning.

As for the latter part of your post: they made less than 4,000 LHD Integra Type Rs. The ITR was the first Type R after the NSX and established the Type R brand into what it is today. I saw Type R stickers on everything in the early 2000s. Those were legendary words in the automotive community. One can argue that the Type R better represents late 90s/early 2000s “import tuning/motorsports culture” than almost any other car of its era. The fact that you repeatedly say you don’t understand the Integra Type R’s cultural impact is why this is my last post on this topic.

If you are confused, you can easily see the opinion of automotive enthusiasts far more experienced and esteemed than I will ever be on the topic. It’s just a Google search away. Maybe try to understand why the cars are selling for these numbers instead of being perpetually confused.

It’s not a matter of styling and performance. I think the FD is objectively a more beautiful car than the Type R and, in stock form, would easily dispatch of one under most if not all performance circumstances, but that is not why this car is viewed as special in the eyes of many automotive enthusiasts. It wasn’t even in the same class as the FD.

 

I owned one for 5 years. It's possible that you drove one of the fake sticker-pack Type-Rs since a real Type-R is an absolutely astonishing car to drive.

Also worth noting that part of the car's mystique in the US comes from its racing history, having absolutely dominated in its Touring Car class back in the day.

https://www.thedrive.com/accelerator...ly-two-decades

 

The Mazdaspeed Protege smoked the ITR through the cones, anyway.... WITH 4 doors, A/C and a built-in subwoofer in the trunk.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/0...speed-protege/

The value of the ITR is in the rarity and amount of Honda fan boys.

 

I'm glad you live your live based on google and the opinions of other automotive enthusiasts.

Again, we have discussed many cars in this thread in relation to FD pricing, and will continue to do so. You are clearly an ITR fanboy. Nice stats. So what if there were 4000 LHD ITR? It's still an integra. How does that compare to R1/R2 volume in LHD?

Don't get all upset just because people on the RX7 club believe there is more value in an FD vs an ITR. ITR is just hyped up. Just like when people go crazy for a "clean" civic.

 

I mean, at least the NSX has style and the threat of snap oversteer, to go along with all the disappointment....

What does the ITR have? Nothing.
Total snooze fest.

 

I’m getting too old for this.

I’ll leave you with this. I have two FDs. No ITR—never had a desire to own one. I have also given my *personal* experience with the ITR above and have noted that it is a remarkable car. The purpose of referencing Google and other respected automotive enthusiasts was to provide supporting materials. I am basing my opinion of the car on my actual real world experience with the car in a *motorsports* environment. I am far from a Type R fanboy—I’m just not an FD fanboy to the point that I can’t see the merits of other cars. I know it may come as a surprise to some, but there are actually many great cars that came out of the “House of Honda”. The FD isn’t the ultimate end all be all (even if it is my personal dream car). No car is, because every car has its unique merits and history.

I have made it very clear that I prefer the FD by a wide margin—obviously…since I have a couple of them and am dedicating a big chunk of my life to the platform and rotary engine…

This thread is getting further derailed and has gone way past “comparing” the FD to the ITR value-wise. I will be happy to return to this thread when we start discussing the subject of *FD values* as opposed to spinning wheels over why so many people like the Integra Type R. It’s old at this point.

 

We didn't even ask @jimlab

 

i was going to ask how we feel about the NSX, my racing buddy throws his under ware at every NSX he sees

 

My current duo - 1993 RX-7 R1 and 1994 Integra GS-R

 

ITR was The Type R.

Defined the import scene. Spawned millions of stickers on millions of cars. Showed that boring Hondas really could compete with a few tweaks. Had a crazy engine, weighted very little (when cars were getting fat) and even got decent milage. Plus Honda build quality and reliability.

I don't get the hate.

Every dude between the ages of 7 and 50 knows "Type R" Honda, and plenty of girls as well.

If you have a JDM collection, it isn't complete without a Type R Honda. The wealthy guys get the Type R NSX, the rest get an ITR.

 

Well, thankfully I'm not too old for it. I have 3 FDs and also will never own an integra. I win.

Don't take it so seriously. It's a car forum, an almost pointless thread where we are talking about prices and comparing cars. There is no "right" answer. Nothing in this discussion will change the market.

 

My sister-in-law has decided to hang on to her Integra.

 

Well, at least you know where to find one if you ever want one

Another forum member and I went to a local Cars and Coffee this past weekend, there was one ITR there. Let's just say between the FD and ITR, one draw more crowd while the other draw more money