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The value of the ITR is in the rarity and amount of Honda fan boys.
That is very interesting and surprising! I remember when they came out and even considered picking one as a daily up for a time. Fun handling car for sure, power wasn't the greatest imo.
Originally Posted by bossbattleRX7
I’ll leave you with this. I have two FDs. No ITR—never had a desire to own one... I am far from a Type R fanboy—I’m just not an FD fanboy to the point that I can’t see the merits of other cars. I know it may come as a surprise to some, but there are actually many great cars that came out of the “House of Honda”. The FD isn’t the ultimate end all be all (even if it is my personal dream car). No car is, because every car has its unique merits and history.
Well said. All production vehicles deserve some level appreciation imo and both were great cars in their own time. I don't think anyone in their wildest dreams could've predicted what has happened to the jdm used car market.
Personally, I think it's just saltiness that an ITR brings pristine FD money. I couldn't care any less for them, but I can't ignore that to a large group of people the Honda Type R "is the epitome" of the 90's import scene. So again, we can't argue how much better the FD is in an attempt to rationalize how it should be worth more than an ITR. Because the bottom line is the collector market is not about being rational.
Regarding VW buses:
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
i do also remember that any hill at all was taken in second gear, at like 40mph if you were lucky, and then much much later i found out that the original engine blew up with less than 12,000miles, and wasn't covered under warranty
Yeah they were piles of crap. A literal tin can on wheels with an engine so small that it was quite common for them to need replacement after a few thousand miles. My ghia on the other hand only fits two people (three with the top down) so the engine isn't really stressed, although still quite underwhelming I add .
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
....when i was a kid the thing was SO COOL....
And there it is. Perfect descriptor and why they are so sought after.
I originally joined this forum 18 years ago as a teenager (made a new account recently). I wasted hours of my time on pointless threads then.
I am not a teenager anymore and don’t do pointless threads. This has been an informative thread until this point and I am kindly asking you to stop the strange Type R hate (that has spanned multiple pages now) and allow us to get back on topic and talk about FD values.
Let’s not waste the time of others who are subscribed to this thread. I am noticing some interesting trends recently about the FD market (that I will share in a new post), but here we are talking about the Integra Type R again.
Originally Posted by Federighi
Well said. All production vehicles deserve some level appreciation imo and both were great cars in their own time. I don't think anyone in their wildest dreams could've predicted what has happened to the jdm used car market.
Absolutely. I think it’s safe to say that the Type R was objectively a significant car. We can debate how significant all day, but ultimately the market speaks for itself.
That said, I do think the Mazdaspeed Protege deserves a lot more love. I would also rather drive a Mazdaspeed Protege over a Type R. However I have an obvious Mazda bias.
Originally Posted by Montego
Personally, I think it's just saltiness that an ITR brings pristine FD money. I couldn't care any less for them, but I can't ignore that to a large group of people the Honda Type R "is the epitome" of the 90's import scene. So again, we can't argue how much better the FD is in an attempt to rationalize how it should be worth more than an ITR. Because the bottom line is the collector market is not about being rational.
Beautifully said. Yes, I don’t really care about the Type R beyond appreciating it for what it is. I would never trade an FD for one in a million years. I would also gladly spend the current value of a Type R on multiple other cars. That doesn’t make the car any less special in the eyes of the people who would spend that money. Apparently a LOT those people exist. So here we are! I have personal experience with one and can totally understand where they are coming from.
I think they were busy winning F1 that year? Which was their fourth consecutive F1 championship.
Originally Posted by Narfle
They make a pretty sick lawnmower, tho.
Gotta give credit where credit is due.
And motorcycles. Honda also won a bunch of motorcycle championships that year. There are others but it's hard to keep up with that much diversified winning.
I originally joined this forum 18 years ago as a teenager (made a new account recently). I wasted hours of my time on pointless threads then.
I am not a teenager anymore and don’t do pointless threads. This has been an informative thread until this point and I am kindly asking you to stop the strange Type R hate (that has spanned multiple pages now) and allow us to get back on topic and talk about FD values.
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I don't have a strange type R hate. Im not some kind of integra racist. I will say it again, they are just simply not comparable to an FD, but recognize there are those that place an irrational value on them. Just as we place irrational values on many material things.
If you are too old for this and can't bare to see a member of rx7 club state they don't believe an integra should have anywhere near the value of an FD, then maybe get a new hobby, or simply ignore it.
Same logic applies that an Automatic non-turbo Supra should not be equivalent to an FD in value, but again that's the world we live in and no point in getting all upset when someone says it.
And I don't hate on Honda just to hate on them. Their economy cars simply are not the iconic sports cars that people who couldn't afford a sports car pretend them to be. And now because people pretended/dreamed back then, now they are nostalgic.
I do like Honda though. I had an RC51 back in the day (street version of the world superbike championship winning bike). Nicky Hayden RIP.
I have noticed an increase of FD listings on the Facebook groups lately. It seemed like there was a long time period from late 2020-early 2022 when FD ads seemed to be in short[er] supply. Today, there seem to be a lot more on the market. Is this all in my head or is anyone else noticing the same thing?
I have noticed an increase of FD listings on the Facebook groups lately. It seemed like there was a long time period from late 2020-early 2022 when FD ads seemed to be in short[er] supply. Today, there seem to be a lot more on the market. Is this all in my head or is anyone else noticing the same thing?
The nice one are demanding some good money, which give people idea that they can probably off load their less than ideal condition one for decent amount to newbies buyer. You can’t sell those on BaT, no one will pay their dream price, so FB market place they go.
Having said that, the FD still remains an obscure car to many people. Almost daily I get the reaction from people who seem to have never seen an FD before.
So more FD coming out of mothballs, might broaden interest, and not necessarily soften demand.
Certainly seeing up here that folk are prepared to pay any price to get that last LHD piece to complete their interior restorations.
I think the demand will remain, but at some point it’ll become more of an affordability thing more than an availability thing. The chance of interior piece being 3D scan and reproduce is quite high, if they plan to keep the car forever then there’s no rush
I believe people will hang on to these car as long as they are being view as an asset, but the day it became a liability their tone might change.
Having said that, the FD still remains an obscure car to many people. Almost daily I get the reaction from people who seem to have never seen an FD before..
Maybe in person, but the FD was used in ads for everything, kind of still is actually, Mazda missed the boat there....
my friend sent a pic of some microfiber cleaning cloths, and its got a picture of an 80's laptop, and an FD
That said, I do think the Mazdaspeed Protege deserves a lot more love. I would also rather drive a Mazdaspeed Protege over a Type R. However I have an obvious Mazda bias.
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you should go drive one, its only ok. super rare though, even working at a dealership i've only seen about 3
I have noticed an increase of FD listings on the Facebook groups lately. It seemed like there was a long time period from late 2020-early 2022 when FD ads seemed to be in short[er] supply. Today, there seem to be a lot more on the market. Is this all in my head or is anyone else noticing the same thing?
You are spot on. Its the same with real estate in my kids school zone north of Nashville, TN. Typically, there were never more than 4 homes available and 1-2 of those were always lake homes in the 1.5-4 million dollar range. Now, in the last 2-4 weeks, there are around 10-12 homes available and even 1 in the most desired neighborhood that has sat on the market for over a week. When we sold our house in that neighborhood back in December, we received a cash offer $50k over our asking price about 20 minutes after the house was listed as "coming soon" on Zillow. Prices are still high, but demand has dropped quickly. I believe we will start to see several older sports cars, older trucks/suvs previously in high demand and exotics drop in price in the coming months. Newer vehicles may stay elevated a bit longer until the chip shortage is remedied in the 4th quarter. Either way its going to get ugly across the board by the end of Q3.
Back to FD pricing specifically. I recently bought a 993 911 C2, while the styling is probably the only non supercar of the same generation that looks better than the FD, the driving experience is very tame and provides zero thrill factor. The 911 is much better built than the FD but that comes at a cost of weight. The 911 handles well but there is no where near enough power to add excitement exiting corners. The more vehicles I drive and own from the 90s just makes it more apparent how special the FD was and is. Outside of a Viper, I haven't found another car that gives the same thrill factor the FD provides out the box.
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