This is dumb. Wolf made a great point. Why does it street racing get all this bad rep. when all these other daily drivers crash everyday and kill even more unsuspecting people on their way to work,school, to see family, or just out on a cruse?

Its always the younger/more rebellious people who get the bad rep for something that the people pointing the fingers do everyday.

 

that's actually a terrible point

daily commuting is necessary, legally sanctioned and involves inherent risks
street racing is recreational, illegal and enhances inherent risks

no... most people if not everyone get it

its just pointless conceptually, because you tolerate illegal street racing stories that everyone knows is about illegal street racing as long as there's a bullshit disclaimer in the opening

that makes the forum name change rather meaningless

 

Disclaimer? The idea was to make illegal races read like legal races, not to add a disclaimer...

 

my point may have been terrible and ridiculous but so is this thread

 

In the effort of keeping everything transparent, I just wanted to recap on what's been said in the thread so far by the moderating staff.

So originally the reason given was that a.)apparently it's stupid, b.)rx7club.com as a whole agrees to an illegal activity and c.)speeding, while still illegal, isn't as "stupid" as street racing.

So, a.)that's your opinion, you're entitled to it, b.)if you want to look at it that way, sure, though if you do, rx7club.com as a whole agrees to lots of illegal activities, and c.)just doesn't make any sense.
So here you say that we're not here to babysit little moronic street racing punks. I race on the street, plenty of other prominent members of the board race on the street. What was that about stereotypes? And even so, who said you had to do anything about it at all? If somebody posts up a stupid story, you don't have to post a thing in response, I'm sure there are other members that can take care of it. And while not speeding in your 7 doesn't have much bearing on the subject at hand, I simply find it hard to believe that you NEVER broke the speed limit.
Like I said before, the members of this board don't HAVE to. If they do, they do it because they don't want to see someone get hurt. Life's about learning lessons, sure, but there's nothing wrong with providing a little guidance along the way. Still doesn't seem like a valid reason for adding these new rules.
Suddenly asking about clarification of the rules is stupid meaningless bullshit? I don't see what the rest of the post was good for other than saying, "oh! look at me!".
For whatever reason, this was never replied to, even though it has a question about clarifying the rules.
So not only do you think clarifying the rules is meaningless and bullshit, it's a waste of your time and something you simply don't need to do. That's a great attitude.
So again, anybody who supports posting stories on street racing is apparently a "kid" now.
Now this is when the double talk comes in. As long as we loosely word the story so that at appearance's sake it doesn't look like it happened on the street, it's fine, even though we all know that it's simply not true. This goes back to the "image of the board" I guess, which is basically a joke. The board doesn't have an image, there's nobody watching the board. Even though that's what I do, my thread still gets locked.
Yet now it's locked once again.

So that's basically where we're at. The mods have given a host of reasons, all of which have been shot down, and the answer, for the most part, is "well that's tough, and oh yeah, you're stupid."

 

Regardless if anyone's watching or not, the club has an image to maintain.

Regardless of whether you think our reasons are valid or not, those are the reasons. Your input has been taken into consideration, but that does not mean we will action your input.

Once the decision has been made, it's been made, and while you are free to voice your approval, don't think we have any obligation to action your requests. Just as you disagree with us, we disagree with you, it's that simple.

Your thread's been opened up again.

 

First, thanks for reopening my thread.

So the community, as a whole, does not have the ability to change things on the board? Only the moderators do, who coincidentally, get picked by other moderators?

 

+1

No one said this was fair.

You can appeal to us, but if we don't agree with you, we don't agree with you.

We take everything under advisement, and if it is a large enough movement, we would be more inclined and encouraged to change things.

So far, all I see in this thread are a small portion of members unhappy with a forum change. All changes will have unhappy members, that's just unavoidable. But we can't revert back every single time, and unless, in our view, there's a particularly compelling reason to change something back, we'll leave it as is.

 

As far as only a few members posting about it, not to toot my own horn, but I'd say me and the few others who have expressed their concern over this have pretty much covered everything. The poll that was posted has the tally at over 50% of the voters in favor of it being changed back to the way it was, with only 30% in favor of it staying the way it is now. So while this isn't a democracy, I thought mods were here to keep the peace, enforce the rules, and make sure that the members have an enjoyable experience on the board. So wouldn't a disclaimer at the top of the section fix everyone's problem? The board retains its "image" and the posters don't have to doctor their stories.

 

Porter there is no reason to keep arguing...It will get you NO where. They are right and they are always right......:thumbsdown:

 

Apparently it's been locked and moved again. Would you mind reopening it once more?

 

well this is total B.S. this is the rx7 club, not the toyota prius club. im an rx7 lover since i was 16 and you better believe i raced my sports car on the street! anybody that has a sports car drives it fast, thats why you bought it and love it so much.. big thumbs down here guys

 

"Legally Sanctioned Racing Kills Section"














Wow, way to go RX7CLUB.COM, you never cease to amaze me.



I'm going to go make some popcorn and sit and watch this place dig it's own grave.

 

Done.

You know, we always here about the kill stories, we should also get, I ran a car on the street, at the second light, i got t-boned by a pickup truck......

That would be funny to read. It wouldn't stop anyone from racing, but I'd get a nice chuckle.

 

See, that's the thing. If we can curb the behavior before it gets to that point by pointing out their stupidity by the threads they post there, why not leave the section the way it was?

 

IMHO, those stupid threads are an eyesore that I'm glad we're rid of.

 

Only you can take an insult. If you are not a kid... it wouldn't matter if someone suggested you are. But if you are incapable of being anything but a victim, well then I am sure it would be unintentionally insulting to you.



But back to the subject...

Not one person has posted a valid reason to even keep the section, well alone change it back.

Sure there are people saying that the forum is going down hill because they now can't post how they blew past a integra or a vett on highway 80. And there have been people saying how it was all fiction anyway.

But not one person has given a decent reason for the section to even still exist, in any form other than a vague- it's entertaining to read the made up stories answer that Jeff posted.

Yet, there have been quite a few people posting on how happy they are with the change, and why it should have been changed, or why it should be gone altogether.

So, I challenge you XxMerlinxX or montego or TheDriver216 or whoever, instead of bashing and whinnying... to actually post up a valid reason.

Is posting a kill that important to your ego, that now not only the winning/beating of someone else in some stop light race felt so good, that you also had to post about it there... full well knowing that half the stories in that section were BS anyway. Or do you have a good reason?

But here I am, I am fully willing to listen to your reason, and if it really is a valid reason (that you can justify in a thought out way) I will be more than happy to change it back (though we will add a disclaimer that we don't support illegal street racing, if that happens). rowtareh came up with a valid reason for the change/deletion. Give me your intelligent argument for returning it in some form (or even not deleting the section altogether).

But if you can't post a valid reason, then go home and stop posting in this thread, because it is getting old and this change is staying without a good, well thought out, and valid reason.

 

ooh....the law has been laid down

 

See, Icemark, that's where it breaks down, because what we consider valid reasons for keeping it you do not consider valid to do so, and what you consider valid reasons for getting rid of it or having it the "legal bs section" we do not consider valid for doing so.

 

^Exactly.

Haha, it kills me that SUPPOSEDLY it would be changed back with a good and valid reason, when we all know full well it wouldn't be.

Whether the stories are real or not, they are entertaining to read, SOMETIMES. I remember one that sounded real at first and he ended up saying he was racing Superman. Alot of people got mad but I thought it was hilarious, because it was entertaining, and I couldn't understand why so many people got mad. It's not that I condone street racing either, but I do enjoy reading the stories whether they're real or not. Regardless of why you think it should be changed to the way it is now, I think to most of us it quite simply appears to be nothing more than censorship. And stand behind it all you want, only time will tell whether it was worthwhile. I have a feeling this place is going to be sinking soon...not just because of this, but this certainly doesn't help haha.

No matter what people say, no matter what reasons they come up with (or the reasons they already have come up with that don't seem to be good enough to you, big surprise), you know as well as any of us do that it will stay the same.

I'm done. Maybe this forum will be good for something again someday.

 

It's not a break down, since, you have to remember, it's irrelevant what you consider valid or not. When it comes to appealing a decision that's been made, all that matters is whether it's valid or not in our books.

EDIT: lol, I just locked an old thread of mine.

 

I am asking for your justified valid reason. Defend your stance.

If you wish to just say- "there is no point because you won't agree with me" (which is pretty much what you both just said)... yeah that is a sucky invalid reason for not participating or trying to save what you want to save. That to me says you have no good reason, and are just whining and complaining.

Provide an intelligent justified reason. I am open to solutions right now, but frankly I am tiring of the BS replies (like your's that I am quoting here).

That is fine. Fictional reading is good and perhaps we should look at a different digression of fictional kills or fictional RX-7 related stories.

But it doesn't really say kills section does it?

But reading that paragraph sure sets a bulb off, suggesting that maybe we have some members that would like to post RX-7 based fiction... perhaps there are some talented writers that would post great stories. Is this what you think the Kills section was?

 

the FD kills will march on....oh well....that section was entertaining

 

Ok I’ll take that on.

Icemark it’s very simple. We as males and car enthusiasts enjoyed that section. And that sir IS a valid reason.



If you don’t agree then answer this question honestly:

Have ever had sex with no intent of procreating? Of course you have… Why did you do it? Why do you continue to do it? Give me one VALID reason on why you do it other than enjoyment.

 

I didn't just say "we should have the section back the way it was", I've already stated my reasoning and it's stated clearly in this thread and the other related threads.