Legally sanctioned racing section?
04-04-08, 06:43 PM
#251
Sorry, i just didnt want to read 10 pages of this:
dont take this as an attack, but trying to convince someone to bring back something they made a decision on is like trying to convince a stubborn rotor head to go V8.
isnt this synonymous of what i said? (with the exception that i said only "fictional" stories to be posted)
dont take this as an attack, but trying to convince someone to bring back something they made a decision on is like trying to convince a stubborn rotor head to go V8.
how about this:
You keep the legally sanctioned racing section, but you make a kills subforum in it(kind of like the for sale sections in the regional sections) and when you go into the kills section, just have a disclaimer at the top saying, Rx7club doesnt condone street racing and this and that. and that rx7club is not responsible for the content in that section. then let everyone post their kill storys. Or have the section be called kill stories, the only thing allowed in that section are fictional stories, and let people post their kill stories.
what do you guys think about that idea?
You keep the legally sanctioned racing section, but you make a kills subforum in it(kind of like the for sale sections in the regional sections) and when you go into the kills section, just have a disclaimer at the top saying, Rx7club doesnt condone street racing and this and that. and that rx7club is not responsible for the content in that section. then let everyone post their kill storys. Or have the section be called kill stories, the only thing allowed in that section are fictional stories, and let people post their kill stories.
what do you guys think about that idea?
04-04-08, 06:47 PM
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As I posted earlier in another thread:
The problem with feedback from the community is that not all the members have the community in their best interests. And very very few are fighting to make this place better. Some just like stirring up ****. Some like telling lies or personal paranoia to get the herd stampeding. Some really see the place as evil and won't stop destroying it until they are banned. Would you want these to be putting in input on what can make this community better?
Not saying that there are not great members, there are many great ones... but not all have the same sense of giving up your free time and in some cases compromising your personal life that many of the mod staff do. So any major decision is posted and discussed in the mods section before implementation.
Not to say that all the mod staff are perfect either. I can think of one mod just recently that got himself first stripped of mod powers and eventually banned from promoting his own agenda and literally hurting the community here. He even tried to delete the majority of the posts (including historical ones of pictures found nowhere else) in his section. Yet he never saw his actions as hurting the community. The way he saw it, what he was/is making off the RX-7 community justifies his actions to himself, regardless of who it hurts here.
But the majority of the mod staff just want everyone to get along, don't want to change anything, and want harmony for the board. I just wish more members did.
The problem with feedback from the community is that not all the members have the community in their best interests. And very very few are fighting to make this place better. Some just like stirring up ****. Some like telling lies or personal paranoia to get the herd stampeding. Some really see the place as evil and won't stop destroying it until they are banned. Would you want these to be putting in input on what can make this community better?
Not saying that there are not great members, there are many great ones... but not all have the same sense of giving up your free time and in some cases compromising your personal life that many of the mod staff do. So any major decision is posted and discussed in the mods section before implementation.
Not to say that all the mod staff are perfect either. I can think of one mod just recently that got himself first stripped of mod powers and eventually banned from promoting his own agenda and literally hurting the community here. He even tried to delete the majority of the posts (including historical ones of pictures found nowhere else) in his section. Yet he never saw his actions as hurting the community. The way he saw it, what he was/is making off the RX-7 community justifies his actions to himself, regardless of who it hurts here.
But the majority of the mod staff just want everyone to get along, don't want to change anything, and want harmony for the board. I just wish more members did.
04-04-08, 06:57 PM
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Former Moderator. RIP Icemark.
The idea that not everyone here has the board's best interests at heart is all well and good, and even holds merit, but that doesn't justify completely shutting out the rest of the board's opinion either. As we've seen in this thread, it's very possible for the moderating staff and the rest of the members of the board to argue for and against a solution that's amenable to everyone.
And this is not a democracy...the nearest thing would be that it is a radio station or a TV station... You can picket the TV station all you like, but they don't really ask you if you like a show before they change it. And even if you like it, unless 60% of America likes it, and not only says that they like it, but actually do watch it, it dies or gets changed.
and then they also have to be responsible to the people that they show too. If they are putting on **** at 5pm what is going to happen.
If they put on illegal street racing saying, oh don't do this, but you can watch... what is going to happen?
isnt this synonymous of what i said? (with the exception that i said only "fictional" stories to be posted)
04-04-08, 07:12 PM
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04-04-08, 08:43 PM
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Some people dont dedicate alot of their time to this site to READ all this mumbo jumbo. Hell I didnt even read one single page.
I think the 'new' section is boring and needs some changing..Im not totally against it, however it might needs a more "fun" I guess.
Insulting isnt setting good examples for the new comers..You might scare them away to rcc.
I think the 'new' section is boring and needs some changing..Im not totally against it, however it might needs a more "fun" I guess.
Insulting isnt setting good examples for the new comers..You might scare them away to rcc.
04-05-08, 09:59 PM
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The answer to this problem is staring you right in the face, but either pride or ignorance is blinding you of this fact.
Lol, the internet is such a serious place.
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04-07-08, 01:21 AM
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Unfortunately, neither genius nor logic were apparently involved in the decision making process whatsoever. The rampant hypocrisy is overwhelming. There isn't a single person in this thread who hasn't street raced or told stories about it.
The answer to this problem is staring you right in the face, but either pride or ignorance is blinding you of this fact.
Lol, the internet is such a serious place.
-Maniac
The answer to this problem is staring you right in the face, but either pride or ignorance is blinding you of this fact.
Lol, the internet is such a serious place.
-Maniac
04-07-08, 01:55 PM
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Former Moderator. RIP Icemark.
The section has been made invisible until a decision has been made.
If you want your kill section back, multiple threads on it will only **** off the mods and admins even further.
I come back from this weekend to find how many new threads on this? after we already had two that were getting the situation resolved.
Frankly, the actions with these threads are doing the opposite now... instead of me thinking we need to bring the section back (as I was leaning towards on Friday), I am now beginning to thinking we need to remove it altogether because the way a few members are posting, tells me that they are too immature to even have adult postings in one section on this.
If you want your kill section back, multiple threads on it will only **** off the mods and admins even further.
I come back from this weekend to find how many new threads on this? after we already had two that were getting the situation resolved.
Frankly, the actions with these threads are doing the opposite now... instead of me thinking we need to bring the section back (as I was leaning towards on Friday), I am now beginning to thinking we need to remove it altogether because the way a few members are posting, tells me that they are too immature to even have adult postings in one section on this.
04-07-08, 06:29 PM
#262
Will work for horsepower
As much as i enjoyed posting some of my more fun events on the street i have to agree this not my choice to make.
I guess at 59 you tend to see both sides, but it still sucks!
It would in my opinion be better if it were used to post track events with vids and detailed track times along with a running numerical list of the fastest track times by 1/4 mile 1/8 mile 60 ft times in the order there run. All rotary and swaps kept seperate. This way you would be able to see were you placed in the over all picture and you would know who to ask what the hell there doing to go that fast! And not everyone is going to post a time slip so there will be the opertunity to do a little flame throwing!
And for the hard core killas im sure you might slip a little sumpton in!
Just the opinion of an old man that likes to go fast while i still can.
I guess at 59 you tend to see both sides, but it still sucks!It would in my opinion be better if it were used to post track events with vids and detailed track times along with a running numerical list of the fastest track times by 1/4 mile 1/8 mile 60 ft times in the order there run. All rotary and swaps kept seperate. This way you would be able to see were you placed in the over all picture and you would know who to ask what the hell there doing to go that fast! And not everyone is going to post a time slip so there will be the opertunity to do a little flame throwing!
And for the hard core killas im sure you might slip a little sumpton in!
Just the opinion of an old man that likes to go fast while i still can.
04-07-08, 07:41 PM
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I can see this from both sides of the fence. Like I said in another thread, I do not fully agree with street racing, I believe there is a time and a place for it, if you are screaming around public streets then you are an absolute tool with no clue but if you are on a long stretch of road or out in the country where traffic is pretty much non-existent then I think that is far better and of course the track is the number one place to do this if and where possible. It is unfortunate that some people do not have this option. In my view if you choose to race on the street, then do it in a safe way (yes I know it sounds kinda contradictory, so please dont flame me) where no one is around and you can only harm yourself. I am no angel, I have raced in stupid places before when I was much younger but I an now older with a good head on my shoulders, I try to sway people from racing around public and educate them where to do it properly.
I think one of the good thing about the kills section were that if some young guy posts how he smoked some viper in rush hour or the main street on a fri night then he gets flamed for being an ****, not to mention dangerous.
Isn't education the best thing when it comes to teaching someone, if you take something away completely that could in some way encourage the correct/safe way to do things rather than endorse it, is that not better?? How will they know what is cool or not cool to do if their peers are not there to shut them down and show them the right way?
I personally would like to see the kills section come back to its former glory, it was most of the time a fun read and put a smile on my face either from the way the story was written or what was being told.
I am going to lose the attitude I may have had earlier as I do understand that the Mods are only trying to do their jobs and they do do a pretty good job in the whole scheme of things. I understand that they can from time to time get tired of abuse from members, I think anyone would but I also think that in some cases they need to lighten up a bit.
Guys (mods) you do a good job, I am sure there are alot more things to do that the most of us do not see and dont need to see.
To Rotareh, sorry for insulting you in a previous thread I was annoyed and feel I had a valid argument but I will keep that stuff to myself from now on and if I do have any beef I will en devour to contact you personally in a civil and diplomatic manner to sort it out as people.
I think one of the good thing about the kills section were that if some young guy posts how he smoked some viper in rush hour or the main street on a fri night then he gets flamed for being an ****, not to mention dangerous.
Isn't education the best thing when it comes to teaching someone, if you take something away completely that could in some way encourage the correct/safe way to do things rather than endorse it, is that not better?? How will they know what is cool or not cool to do if their peers are not there to shut them down and show them the right way?
I personally would like to see the kills section come back to its former glory, it was most of the time a fun read and put a smile on my face either from the way the story was written or what was being told.
I am going to lose the attitude I may have had earlier as I do understand that the Mods are only trying to do their jobs and they do do a pretty good job in the whole scheme of things. I understand that they can from time to time get tired of abuse from members, I think anyone would but I also think that in some cases they need to lighten up a bit.
Guys (mods) you do a good job, I am sure there are alot more things to do that the most of us do not see and dont need to see.
To Rotareh, sorry for insulting you in a previous thread I was annoyed and feel I had a valid argument but I will keep that stuff to myself from now on and if I do have any beef I will en devour to contact you personally in a civil and diplomatic manner to sort it out as people.
04-07-08, 08:09 PM
#265
Former Moderator. RIP Icemark.
Thread closed.
I have reopened the Kills section with a disclaimer after discussing this with the other mod and admin staff
We have also added a Dyno and Time sheet subsection to the kill section so that real references can be posted.
But the actions of a few members over the weekend, have sure left me questioning if this is the correct thing to do with the section.
I have reopened the Kills section with a disclaimer after discussing this with the other mod and admin staff
We have also added a Dyno and Time sheet subsection to the kill section so that real references can be posted.
But the actions of a few members over the weekend, have sure left me questioning if this is the correct thing to do with the section.
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