Yep

One more thing along with EGR you don't have to do

I'm sure we are forgetting some other things too but the 95 is the one to own

At this time I'm not really interested in 93s. Too many good 94/95s LOL

 

As mentioned earlier I don't think this is a legit car. Possible repaint/accident and rust. If it's clean someone may pay 35k but if it's the car I think it is then 20k max IMO.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0931/overview/

 

I agree it wasn't perfect out of the box, no car is. But people looking for "bone stock" are the ones ready to invest in an appreciating asset and any modification, no matter how trivial, detracts from showroom stock. They aren't going to drive the car much so another 75 rwhp doesn't matter. It's the showroom stock models that are commanding a premium right now simply because everyone is of the mindset you have, that a few mods won't hurt anything.

I watch the BringATrailer prices on a number of different cars and they always seem to get the premium on vehicles in the $20-75k range. Below that range is hit or miss, sometimes the buyers aren't there. Above that is a stretch for the online auction market. Sometimes there are buyers, but mostly just investors looking to scoop up something at a discount they can flip at a live auction. The FD is right within the meaty market for the site but we haven't even seen $35k yet, let alone $40k or $50k. Owners are free to ask what they want though, but we are free to laugh. Dozens upon dozens of FDs will change hands over the next few years before one sells for $50k. That price just simply means "I don't want to sell it".

 

Well said

40k means you don't want to sell it even if it's a 95 chaste white with 15k miles much less a 93 VR touring LOL

 

If you are like a few of us here that will never let their car go (seems like you are) then current FD pricing is irrelevant (other than making a total loss claim). So if you sold your CW because you liked something better then there is nothing to regret.

Take me for example. Even though I always believed these cars were going to be collectibles, I repainted my car to a NON RX-7 yellow and went single turbo (oh no! ). But it is my car, I'm the one that drives it, I did for myself to enjoy, and it is what I really wanted. A fast as ballz sports cars with the looks to match. So for a person like me that never plans on getting rid of it and actually bought this car for his enjoyment, current FD pricing is just bragging rights.

 

Has anyone compared the progress of RX7 value as compared to the increase in value of the Pantera? That was a forgotten car for quite some time and they now either hold crazy value with all original parts and low miles OR when they are updated properly with good components. I think the real difference in why RX7's don't increase in value is the lack of knowledge of why a rotary engine is "cool" or "better."

As a new-ish owner of an FD, I was definitely overwhelmed when looking to purchase because I didn't want to trust what other people had hacked up in the engine bay. Seeing bent pieces of metal or wiring with electrical tape does not inspire confidence. A mostly stock car with well engineered replacement parts like a metal AST and aftermarket SMIC is confidence inspiring to a new buyer.

 

Enjoyment is a return on investment.

 

YEP!!!!

This car is soooo much fun to drive even bone stock but add some bolts ons and it's on a super car level for a 1/4 the cost

 

Production count of 7,200 compared to 68,000. Apples to oranges. It wasn't really forgotten either, it just spent a lot of time in the obscure market but now their owners are getting old and the cars are starting to trade hands more frequently. Just like the FD, only the most pristine original or appropriately resto-modded examples will bring high value where as ones with body rot issues and/or mechanical/electrical gremlins can be had for cheap with knowledge of what it will take to bring it back to glory usually costing more than the entry price for a well sorted model. Also, part of the increase in Pantera value is the age of the buyer pool. People that grew up seeing them on posters can now afford them, and they are fighting for a piece of nostalgia. There will come a time where people look back at F&F movies the same way. Dom's FD didn't get the same screen time as Brian's MKIV Supra, but but in 10-20 years, after the pool of good examples has been depleated and parts become unobtainium, a low mile red FD will bring in 6 figures at auction.

 

I'm not a huge fan of F&F, but I was an instant fan of the FD when I saw one disappeared around a corner at a speed that my tires couldn't even come close to keeping up with.

I think I'm with Fritz. I would love for these cars to appreciate in the long run, but it's at a perfect price point where we can all still have fun without thinking about keeping them in bubble wrap for the next 10 years.

 

When I was younger, I thought you could preserve a car by washing it regularly and performing regular maintenance. But it's the stupid people around you on the road that crash into you, the bad parkers, the trucks hauling loose debris on the highway, and the elements that will wear out a vehicle. I applaud those who never drive their cars and therefore never get rock chips, parking lot dents, and surface rust...but I have vowed to never treat a car like an investment. While it's in my possession I'm going to drive it like I stole it, leave nothing on the table. I'll still keep it clean and perform regular maintenance, but if it's raining, I'm not going to hide it away just because it might lower the value for the next owner. Life is too short to preserve cars. Drive them while they're still within reach.

 

YEP after witnessing the current market I can absolutely see values going into 6 figures by spring...........JK

But in 10 years no problem at all.

Yep bought my GT3 with 12k miles. Currently has 14k miles and 500 or more are from track use. I've had it for close to a year and I haven't washed it yet. It's black LOL

PS 911s are built like tanks compared to the FD. Or they are not fragile (very nice build quality). If you want to upgrade your collector garage buy a 997 or 996 GT3. I think both models will eventually be very expensive cars.

 

Or just get multiple FDs! One museum quality one and one to mod and paint as you wish...

 

Hmm, well since I'm not a thief maybe it's the wrong analogy, or possibly I'd be the most respectful thief there was. I stole your car, took it to the track, ran some laps, but on the way home I refused to eat or drink anything in it. Also, I topped off the oil for you. Here you go bud.

I have this problem, it's called garage space. I can't justify paying $1000s to store a sub $50k car so if I pick up any more cars they're going to end up in my driveway. I already have to store my low mile FB in the driveway. It's a throw away car by collector standards but having to shovel snow off a car that spent the last 30 years in a garage seems like sacrilege. Before I spend $25k on a clean FD, I'm going to have to spend $40k on another garage.

 

In Orange County, I would have to pay 100k for permits and building on my property and I might not even get it to happen due to my HOA. Then I would have to consider buying a home for 900k+ just to have a 3 car garage and don't forget the property tax to keep it all going!

100k per year in the SF Bay Area is now considered the poverty line. With rents shooting past 4k per month just for a 2 bdrm apartment...

I say you pay the 40k and get the FD.

 

this is a stretch... doubt the fd will hit this mark in ten years..

 

If the current market continues and I think it will for another year or two nice ones will be selling for 30 to 45k next year. So I can definitely see 50 to 60k in 3 years........

However we could also have a economic collapse of epic proportions so who knows

 

The poverty line is 120k IIRC in SF Bay Area. San Francisco is closer to 150k. Over 1 million gets you a small property in blight. People are willing to pay over 90k for a BMW m2 in cash... I don't even know how I'm surviving...

 

An R model recently sold privately for $75k with just delivery miles.
It's not even 10 years from now and I bet it's more than you ever thought an FD would sell for.

 

as current owner of an ssm r2... would love for this price point to be true..
but still very skeptical of anything that sells north of 30k..
ive seen rare FDs in great condition.. to sit for months and not sell.. and they are asking less than that...
would love to be very wrong...

more info on this 75k sale...

 

To a small degree that may be true and there are buyers that are completely oblivious to the market. However I think the vast majority of buyers spending 30k plus on 25 year old sports car know exactly what they are buying. And just like every other collector type car many are simply trying to find the best deal and capitalize on a rapidly appreciating investment. Which may explain some of the crazy asking prices. The re-sellers are hoping that what you are saying is true but that's usually not the case.

This car is probably a decent deal if you can get it for 25k or below: 1994 Mazda RX-7 | eBay


This car is not good deal even if you can get it for 30k: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=RX7

I'll repeat most anyone paying 20k plus for a 25 year old sports car know a thing or two about the car and can make a decent decision on which car is a deal or not.

The market is no doubt exploding. Lets be thankful we've appreciated/owned and enjoyed this great car for many years and will continue to do so

DJ just paid 25k or so for a 95 CW base with a blown motor (it sold in 3 hours on the this forum) and that's actually a damn good deal. YES this market is blowing up big time and I love it so I'm in it to win it but it will inevitably be pricked by the needle, then blow up again etc....etc.... BOTTOMLINE: as you and me predicted many years ago the FD is a COLLECTOR and no one can argue with us about that anymore

PS just to rial up the supra guys.........IT will be worth more than the supra in 10 years hehe

 

Come to NH. If you can deal with the snow it's an hour commute to Boston where you can make close to what you might be making out there, depending on your industry.

You might see the same cars being traded among a small community of collectors that skyrocket the high end market...but those aren't drivers. They are parked in climate controlled storage, and you'll pay more in cost of storage, interest on loan, taxes, title, etc than they will increase in value.

That sucks...come to NH. I'm less than 2 hours from 4 different race tracks, and you can buy a 3 car garage mansion (by california standards) for under $500k. 2 car mansion under $400k. Small house with a barn for all your toys for $300k. All within 90 minute drive of Boston.

Yeah people are sitting on cars waiting for the value to go up. I see it now with non-concours Mazda Cosmos. There's a red one in Boston that simply isn't selling. It's not a 6 figure car like the ones we see at Pebble Beach. It's red for starters. The seller only caters to high end sales and will sit on it for years until the right buyer comes around, or their business goes bankrupt.

Since we're posting cars and discussing prices, what's wrong with this one? For the price, I can't think of a more fun weekend cruiser and track day toy. https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/c...239037797.html

 

What you mean that lowballer central is not end all and be all? the forum is a great place to buy a car, not so much to sell one. And you are 100% correct that many assume that the forum IS the FD world, but it really isn't. We are just a small piece of it.

I wouldn't call that strong...

 

Yep avg compression

You fellas are selling the general public short. Along with autotrader, cars.com, craiglist etc.... forums are also looked at by anyone who's serious about buying a collector car or really any enthusiast type sports car.

If you were in the market for an old P car or m3 etc.... where would you look. Likely a forum of some sort 1st.

Hell there are currently more cars for sale here and have been for years than there are listed on autotrader. That tells you everything you need to know about where to sell this car.

 

58k miles is getting up there. Or it will likely need an engine, turbo, trans, and susp work in the next 50k miles.

This is like the CW car that sold for 60k on ebay. WE NEED PROOF!!! OR is this something you personally know?

Dude should have bought gold or if he's really into cars a 996 GT3. Lets see where gold is in 10 years and the price of 996 GT3s compared to FDs.