Same question. Is there any recourse in these situations?

 

Damn, Fritz! So glad you're OK...

Nothing like waiting until the "1" brake marker to woah it down from 155mph! At least he had his neck donut and fingerless gloves on.

 

It was a hard hit for sure. I had a headache for a couple of weeks and a sore neck for over a month but I'm ok now.

Some people own their mistakes and others don't. This dude didn't even apologize at the track. I had to reach out to him several days later. In this case I'm out 100k car less what I can part it out for. The biggest damage was simply that I was just starting to get a good vibe in the car and enjoying it fully (setup$$$/aligned/staying aligned etc...). I may get the FD up and going but after investing 30k with multiple shops I still have a bucket of bolts that's not track ready. It's very frustrating trying to track an FD (27 year old heavily modded turbo rotary race car) unless you are turning the wrenches yourself (at this point I don't even want to change brakes or susp work/everything hurts LOL). W/O PFS or a good shop close by I'm dead in the water. May take this year off or buy another GT3 today LOL.

Unlike business and politics though this really doesn't contribute to this thread but I appreciate the support. Bottomline; I'm still the same old car nut I've always been just feeling the miles on the chassis

 

I don't know how there aren't better rules in place for these situations. I know its a risk being on track but being left with having to part out a 100k car to recoup money that another idiot took away just doesn't seem right. Sorry to see that man.

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mazda-rx-7-37/

 

Fritz, with the new Supra and C8 Vette slotting in around $60k, what you think about those values vs GT3 and FD? Those are still more money than an FD but quite a bit under the GT3.

 

I'm wondering if it will cross $30k. It does not show well for the low mileage IMO, the front left also doesn't look right and the hood gaps are off. I'm wondering if it had an unreported repair and some point in time.

 

I'd still be tracking the FD if I wasn't lazy/old. The GT3 makes sense to me because it's fast, reliable, fun to drive and doesn't depreciate much in the current economy.

A GT4 is likely a close second.

There are so many great options for track cars right now (vettes, mustangs, camaros etc...) and from what I've seen the Camaro ZL1 is probably the best bang for the buck. I may test drive one and go that route if I like it. Scratch that I just looked it up and I'm too damn vain to drive it LOL.

 

^ Camaros and Mustangs are the bread and butter of what is being tracked/built based on factory tubs here as well (scca, central/southern coast) for fast, reliable, tracking and racing. Vettes and Vipers after that it seems.

 

 

Hard hit glad you were ok. There are only two cars I really care about driving and keeping in my garage. I have a FD so I am just missing a gt3. Fritz I would love for you to start a thread on the performance difference between the stock gt3 and a well modded FD.

 

In what world is him being 100% at fault and hitting you not his financial responsibility? By that logic Random Track Guy Joe can take his $5000 Camaro, run into 30 cars on the track and walk away. WTF?!

 

Racing on track is at your own risk unless you have track day insurance.

It's really difficult to hold someone legally accountable, unless they did something crazy like actually hitting 30 cars.

 

I wondered what happens in an accident at a track day. Used to do some track days on motorcycles at VIR, I don't remember them saying much if anything about liability in accidents during the morning riders meeting. I think there may've been a check box whether or not you had health insurance. Guess it's the same with cars. I was in my early 20s and didn't have enough good sense to ask/care. Glad you came out ok Fritz that looked like a pretty good hit. Sucks about the car.

 

Damn, that was hard to watch. Glad you're feeling better Fritz!

 

The track itself may send you a bill for any damage done to the track during an incident. If two cars or more come together its between the drivers. Hopefully you have track insurance and can move on. Its expensive, but worth it if you end up needing it.

 

It's truly everyone for themselves out on track. I used to get track day insurance for the FD. I will no longer track a car unless it is caged car with full containment seat and head/neck restraint. The cars are great fun, but the people are just too unpredictable.

 

Had I been seriously injured I'm pretty sure I would have had a good case. There have been law suits in the past for this type thing. Bottomline: be careful out there and don't use your brake pedal to make up for sloppy driving esp at DE with cars in front of you. In other worlds don't hit anyone or let your ***** write checks your bank cannot cash LOL.

My lesson is if I don't know a driver and he drives up my *** I give him a point by. The problem is it happens all the time in the advanced/instructor group or there are people who are very comfortable getting close to other cars.

 

this is kind of why most non-professional road race cars are kind of ratty compared to other race cars, they hit stuff all the time. i can't find the video, but we pulled the frame at the track once, two pickups, and some tie down straps....

 

Sorry to hear that this happend to you. Its unfortunate that people cannot use common sense when dealing with high performance cars on a track. Someone i know, a PCA instructor, was involved in an accident similar to yours in the early fall last year. He was hit from behind went off the track into a wall totalling his car and walking away with a shoulder injury. The car was totalled and was a highly modified Cayman S. The most important thing is your OK.

 

Yep IMO the GT3 and FD are the two best DRIVERS currently on the planet. Very different cars yet similar driving vibe in that you feel so connected to the driving experience, every little input is felt and understood.

When setup properly both cars handle very well so the power and weight is all that really matter. Neither car has much torque so whichever car has the better ratio combined with aero will be the faster car. That said there's a much higher probably that the GT3 will actually finish the race esp if it's a 60 minute or even a 20 minute sprint type race.

The icing on the cake is both cars are gorgeous

 

Gents,

Local owner here in Phoenix just listed his car for sale on BAT. Montego BLUE '94. Solid driver. I'm very familiar with the car if anyone has Qs.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mazda-rx-7-38/

 

@Fritz Flynn , I already know it's the wild west out on track as far as the dynamic between the drivers is concerned but does your local organization review these scenarios and administer any penalties or discipline? If the organization can ban a driver like this from their events and flag him to other organizations, and drivers are made aware that outcome is possible if they're reckless/negligent, then it might force people to second guess trying to win the imaginary race going on in their head.

 

Jesus. I stay away for a week and finding out Fritz got whacked. So sorry, Fritz, but so glad you are okay. I've had a couple of offs years ago, but was lucky to stay away from getting hit. I never thought about what happened if I got whacked and the car got creamed. Losing a lot of money like that has got to hurt.

So glad you're okay!

G

 

These are questions I can't answer because I've never been involved other than instructing. It would make sense esp if the person is a repeat offender.