If you're dying for a CYM, that's not the worst you could do. The price is in the ballpark for today's market. Compression is OK. Mileage is OK. Looks like it's in nice shape. It will probably need some sorting, less than most (fewer mods = fewer mistakes). Montego and Fritz are right. I think it'll keep on running fine as is. But, it might be good to refresh the motor before it's actually necessary.


We should go back through the FS section and link threads from last year that look like a steal now. That would be fun.

 

Yep not a bad deal for a CYM car just not a good one which is why it's still for sale.

 

I'd value mine at 50k (even with the most common color combo) and it continues to go up rapidly...will be hard to catch up

Another thing is parts for the FD are readily available around the world (relatively)

Supra parts are mostly NLA now and very expensive/rare to find in decent condition. I could replace the entire FD interior with brand new parts from the dealer for the cost of a couple of mkiv dash panels. The 6 speed transmission is now being sold for 11-12k for a new one. 2jz engines are also pretty much all gone now as well.

More and more supras are being destroyed, hacked up, and modded cheaply (transmission swaps to 5 speed manual from mk3) partially because the parts are just too much of a rip off for most people.

There are also a lot more FD's around the world (RHD or not) so there are plenty of aftermarket companies continuing to engineer and manufacture good stuff while the Supra does not have enough of a market to make financial sense beyond a few companies that are really dedicated to preserving the cars. And then they charge a hell of a lot for the parts, because they have to.

 

Thanks. I imagine the photos do it better justice than in person. Its the little details that stop a sale, like so-so compression or a slight tear in the seat that was carefully hidden in the ad (not saying it is, but that's just an example). I don't really need one right now...but I know I'll be kicking myself in two years for not grabbing something to add to the fleet, even if it's a beater. In fact, I'd probably be better off with a basket case because that's an excuse to start from scratch.

Side story...
My wife has always like the 3000GT. We went to look at a very clean non-VR4 recently. Price was slightly above market but photos were perfect for a CL ad. We looked it over, and the owner took us for a quick spin (wouldn't let me drive it...which is odd, for a sub $10k purchase, but whatever). My wife went from excited to meh in the course of a 15 minute drive but she was still interested in a play thing she could take to auto-x events with me. As I started asking more questions and looking closer at the paint job I realized there was nothing but decent photographs and a detail job separating it from the others we'd seen advertisements for. He had some nice parts on it in the photos but they had been swapped over to another car by the time we got there....the price in my head was dropping fast. I saw decent money still invested in it, aggressive stance, tastefully done stereo, clean 3.5L swap, but even the swap was a budget build that didn't really add much power. It rode heavy and felt punchy in the low end but struggled up top. I could tell this just from the passenger seat. Anyway, clearly it was the seller's pride and joy at one point and he has since lost interest and focused on another project. The car was well cared for but it was still a Mitsubishi. The trim was flimsy and rattled, the window was scratched from where it wasn't working properly at one point, the hatch rattled, the paint had some cracks from a budget respray, and there were little things like the VR4 spoiler being on the car but not connected that bugged me. I realized, even if we picked it up for a fair price it wasn't the deal I saw from my computer desk. In the end, a single ride was enough to sway my wife away from her dream car. A part of me worries that any FD I look at will be the same...so I should just look for a complete beater and build it the way I want....or I absolutely must see the car in person before I bid on something that pops up on BringATrailer or eBay.

 

I learned the hard way that you HAVE to see these cars in person.

 

Yep you have to seriously lower your expectations when buying a 25 year old sports car. Especially with original paint, engine, turbos, exhaust, susp etc.... The only way it's going to look and feel good is if it was treated like jewel, garaged it's entire life and has less than 30k miles. Pictures mean nothing. You have to buy the buyer not the car if you aren't going to inspect it. I'd say 30k is about the point where things start to loosen up a bit and it just gets worse from there.

I agree it will be very hard for your typical low mileage (under 30k miles) FD to ever sell for 100k or more based upon everything I've said in this thread.

Trans, engine, diff, interior pieces, etc..etc.. relatively cheap and available. CNC technology has already changed the game for parts that are no longer available and that will just get better and better. As long as there is a decent roller out there for 20k and below paying over 40k is likely not a good buy.

I'm just stirring the pot as they say

 

A new AC panel for a FD costs more than the whole center console for my 94 6 speed Supra and is half the size. Transmission parts are definitely higher for the Supra but I was shocked at how much cheaper most OEM parts are compared to the FD.

 

it's all relative. You should see what my friends with old Mercedes and Bentley/Rolls cars pay for stuff. You can get parts for really old Bentley/Rolls cars. They're always available, they just cost a lot.

I agree though that the Supra 6 speed is super expensive.

 

You never know. People used to say these cars would never fetch upwards of $30K...

I for one can see an extremely low miles, garaged kept, and in "pristine condition" FD fetch for 100k within ten years.

 

No doubt a select FD/choice grade could easily sell for 100k especially if zoomzoom is correct one has already sold for 75k.

That said we are living in strange times. McDonalds stock is up something like 30 percent this year (trading at close to 30 times earnings). Don't even get me started on Amazon, Netflix and Tesla. Nothing is making economic sense today. NOTHING!!!! Not nearly as bad as the dot com era but starting to get there. At least then there was a good reason for it (internet/technology explosion). Today it just seems like money chasing money or nothing but momentum/greed.

Can this momentum in the stock market carry the dow to 30k and above possibly but doubtful. Same with the FD could this momentum carry it to 75k, 100k and beyond? Possibly but doubtful.

 

I don't do politics. As far as national debt goes I won't be happy until this clock starts moving backwards: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

I'm a big picture guy and don't pay attention to the BS trees in the forest. The last decade has become so politically charged it's embarrassing to us all. The current media landscape is riddle with political BS telling everyone how and what to think. Hell even saturday night live is filled with political BS. Probably half the damn show is a political satire LOL

I'm paying attention to the devastated middle class. The effed up health care system and the endless piles of debt; personal, city, state and federal.

BOTTOMLINE: the avg joe is hanging on by a thin thread and that avg joe buys cell phones or supports the economy. Maybe trump can right all the wrongs but he needs to actually do something. Like develop a tax code and health care plan and get them passed. He has all the power (a gov supported by republicans) so let hope he takes some action to fix this jacked up system before it's too late.

The fact that any interest rate increase beyond 1 point could seriously eff up the bond market is scary. Not to mention what it would do to the ever increasing housing bubble (YEP IT's happening again). Speaking of which with all this job growth and this great economy why doesn't the government increase interest rates? BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS A JOKE!

I like your optimism though. However I'm planning for winter or gathering lots of nuts

 

It looks like someone gets ALL their information from Fox News. I never heard a bigger bunch of crap (lies), other than when Trump is actually speaking. Making up your own facts (above) doesnt change the truth of what has actually happened. Some of us call it reality!!

You just keep supporting Trump...... until he gets impeached, and booted from office. By the looks of things, it wont be long

 

FWIW:

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/...ebt_histo5.htm

U.S. Debt did in fact approximately double from 9/30/2007 to 9/30/2015, as shown above (not from Fox News).

 

His delusion knows no end it seems. I literally thought he was trolling but then sadly realized he was serious.

 

Its amazing to see what people can convince themselves is true. This site is supposed to be for car discussions. If he wants to spew his garbage, this isnt the place. #uninformed/delusional

 

As per Dave Kinney from Hagarty Value Guide. $75k Private sale.
The key is stock R model with just delivery miles. And to those speaking about stock verses modded. It's not 2001 anymore. These cars are transitioning into the collector market for those cars that are fit the description. Maybe a "better car" modded but it's not factory correct. No one is saying factory is better performance or reliability wise. But collector cars aren't driven that much and it's moot.

Once you mod a car it's not historically correct. There are always cars in the collector market that are "drivers" and then those that are perfect time machines that represent the car accurately as it rolled off the assembly line.

Long time owners of these cars see them all as drivers or platforms to mod/race/drive and that's ok. But these are now in transition and some cars will be what collectors will value and some will just be a car to mod with a single turbo, 3 rotor, LS swap etc. Some cars will be survivors and some will require restoration. Everything still has a value and even the nicely modded cars will go up in value some.

A rising tide raises all boats.

But the top money cars aren't the drivers and they won't ever be as long as there are low mile stock cars for collectors to choose from.

 

Just like Bush toward the end of his term Obama didn't worry much about spending money because he was worried about the economy collapsing which is also what trump will likely have to worry about before his term ends as well so he'll print a bunch of money to cough cough support the ecomony. At some point you must decide you have a loosing hand and fold because the longer you wait the bigger the loss will be.

https://www.quora.com/Who-created-mo...-Bush-or-Obama

 

YEP

The tide is rising.

If I was loaded and a collector I'd absolutely buy that car for 75k just to put on a shelf.

That said from a practical stand point it makes zero sense. As does the GT3 4.0 for 400k.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by adam c

Its amazing to see what people can convince themselves is true. This site is supposed to be for car discussions. If he wants to spew his garbage, this isnt the place. #uninformed/delusional

My take:

Anyone who thinks that the United States is a better country under our current "president" than it has been in the past is a fool. Case closed.

On topic: It may be time to change the title of this thread to something like $45k

 

Considering I've paid more than 25k for the last 3 I think the new barrier is 30k

And next year it will be 35k. Again as zoomzoom mentioned the tide is rising

Speaking of that. Goodfellas why don't you change that title for me LOL

 

I changed the title to "35k" as that is likely the next barrier......

 

What if someone has been turning down offers of $40k?

 

Here ya go. The basis of your new collection. A Montego Blue 1992 for Y880,000.

 

Y375,000! 1995 Bathhurst! 162,000 km. Park this!

 

Thanks