Originally Posted by CarbonR1

I would have probably paid ~2-3k more for a non sunroof model, but ultimately it's not a big driver for me as more of a moderate preference.

Originally Posted by Montego

A lot of speculation but we have to go by the facts: Red with tan interior sold 27K, Red base with black interior sold for 5K more, red touring with black interior sold 5K more that the red base, and the BB R with black interior sold for 2K more than the red touring. The market moving in three weeks? Anything is possible but let's be honest that not very likely. Interesting that the biggest difference in all of those 4 cars is the color and especially interesting when the general consensus is that black FDs are more desirable than red ones (and it is obviously showing up here).

Originally Posted by Montego

Or maybe outside of the forum the general population just don't care about R/Base cars. I mean the data available backs that up. But I get it, the forum as whole loves fixed roofed FD's and to many people on here they just can't fathom people not having that preference.

Originally Posted by Montego

and yet we have two similar red cars with a much closer mileage that contradict that sentiment (the red touring had 9k more miles) hence the reason we have use the data that shows what these cars are selling as a whole. But also let's note that 12K miles is not an outlandish difference when looking at cars with 30-50K miles on them. For cars that have less than 30K miles, definitely. But never mind all of that, are we really splitting hairs about a measly $937 that could easily be attributed to a better sale? That's the premium were discussing here, a 2% price difference? Also let's not forget that private sales will always vary from one to the next. So unless there is a real and consistent marketable differences between two similar products no one can claim there's a premium for one vs the other.

Originally Posted by Narfle

I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. @IMAGINETHAT seems to love red/tan especially.

Originally Posted by Narfle

My base model has cruise control? It's more hype than anything, but some people want the most-performancy performance car. Some people want a grand touring.

There are plenty of hypothetical detractors for a sunroof car: weight, rigidity, leaks...
Also, sunroof FDs usually come with less desirable options like worn leather seats, mismatched interior panels, the bose system.
Black interiors and performance/special editions seem to bring a premium for NSXs and Supras also.

I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Originally Posted by ls1swap

I really thought miles played apart in the value as well then this happened with a 138k mile car!!
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...-roll-1146321/
$38k sold fast and probably could of pushed $40k easy judging by how many people wanted it.
Being a 1995 R2 and SSM color helped I'm sure. So high mileaged rebuilt cars seem to carry a healthy price tag as well

Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6

If people are buying them as investment, why can't the market move in 3 weeks? Have you look at gold prices lately? If we ignore the reason why two identical GT price moved $10k in 3 months then we are ignoring market movement as part of the factor, then we can pretty much compare prices between 2020 and 2018. IMHO, that question needs to be answer.

Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6

I actually prefer a sunroof lol, I just saw that there are differences in opinion so just want to see if the data give us anything. To say the general population don't care for a fixed roof is interesting, it's a car, someone is going to care for a sunroof and some might not, just like color. If someone is willing to pay $x for a specific color, I don't see why a person that want a fix roof won't pay more if there are less fixed roof car out there, very basic supply and demand.

Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6

Wait, so 12k miles is no big deal just because the mileage fall between 30k-50k? First of all that's pretty big range, and TBH are you willing to pay the same price for a car that is at say 48k miles as the one with 36k miles, or 102k vs 90k with all else equal or very close to? I wouldn't, but that's just me.

So to conclude the two CW example, the two sales tell us both cars are equal because
1. 12k miles less won't bring higher price because it is not below 30k miles
2. There's no physical asset inflation.

Originally Posted by arghx

I honestly don't get why there is so much enthusiasm for non sunroof models. something something more headroom for my helmet... I dunno

Ok, R1/R2 model... more performance oriented suspension, if that suspension isn't already in need of replacement.

Base model? like not even cruise control... 137 grams lighter than a PEP or touring, cloth seats. it's just not a better car really for 99% of owners who just drive around on weekends and do parade laps one time before selling it.

Originally Posted by c0rbin9

For me it's the double bubble roof, IMO that's an iconic design feature of the FD.

Originally Posted by c0rbin9

Also fits the ethos of a lightweight sports car better not to have a heavy sunroof on the highest point of the car.

Originally Posted by Montego

Who ever buys 20K+ mile cars as an investment truly doesn't know what they are doing as there are much better ways to make money. Car sales and stock markets (gold) do not have the same volatility. BTW Cars that are selling within 3 weeks or 3 months is no where the same as 2 years. There is a reason why insurance companies when paying out total loss claims only allow people to use ads from the last 6 months as comparables.

Originally Posted by Montego

Yep some people prefer sunroofs some people don't. I'm not saying people who really like fixed roofed FDs won't pay more, I'm saying there's not enough of them willing to fork out the extra cash to change the market.

Originally Posted by Montego

Remember this is not about what you would do. It is what MOST of others do.

Originally Posted by Montego

Not equal sales but comparables, we will never have true equality.

1. So yes those are driver's cars and not collectibles hence the difference in mileage not having that much of an impact.

Originally Posted by Montego

Obviously others feel similar otherwise the higher mileage red black FD wouldn't have sold for $5K more than the base.

Originally Posted by Montego

2. Correct not enough to make an impact in such a small time frame or anyone can make that claim: "Ah the market cooled one week later that's why the red black touring sold for $1750 less than the BB"

Originally Posted by Montego

I see that you keep your focus on single comparisons, do you think that's a better strategy than to look at what these cars are selling statistically in comparison to each other and over time?

Originally Posted by Montego

But anyway I'm willing to put this to rest: You attribute the price discrepancies as market changes and I to people outside the forum to not caring enough about an R/Base vs a PEP/Touring trims

Originally Posted by CarbonR1

I wanted to let people know that I was the one who picked up the 34k mile CW touring from Rob (who has been great to deal with!) in from the thread below for $45k. I believe that this would count as one of the higher priced cars sold of recent memory so I wanted to give my rationale for the car and share thoughts with everyone that is carefully tracking the price of these cars. Sorry in advance for the long winded note.

I currently own a 132k mile 93 BB R1. A bit of history with this car is that it is FDnewbie's old car that I bought from him back in 2006-2007 with ~105k miles. At the moment, it needs a new motor and paint, but outside of that, I have spent probably $45k on keeping up with aging plastics, floor mats, suspension, bushings, brakes, power steering pump, ABS leaking, motors, clutch, door handles, map pockets, paint, turbos, transmission, window trim, 99 spec parts, etc. Did I mention INTERIOR PARTS !? I literally have a stock pile of odds and ends just to keep up with the car as it ages. It certainly doesn't help that I am extremely OCD about scratches and wear on the interior that any little thing makes me want to replace it. BTW if anyone wants a higher mileage BB R1 project car needing motor and paint as a great starting point for a driver's car (99 spec front end, Ohlin's, Stoptech BBK, CE28's, Power FC, rebuilt transmission, chassis, 7/10 interior, 6/10 paint), let me know. I just found myself constantly unsatisfied with the condition of my car, because let's be honest these cars are amazing but are not super robustly built. The interior plastics are wafer thin so are by far the hardest thing to keep up for me.

To get my BB R1 to the point at which I would be satisfied given my OCD, it would have costed easily an additional $20k for paint and motor. At that point, I was thinking it might be easier to start with a more cherry vehicle that would capture more of what I was looking for. I've always had a soft spot for CW FD's, and although the car is not perfect (a dent here, a scratch there, sunroof), I felt like it was a great opportunity to jump into a car that was super well taken care of with original paint, etc. The car will need a new motor at some point, but that doesn't scare me at all.

To me, cars will never be designed the way the FD was designed and it is obviously truly a special piece of automotive history. The 90's JDM cars will always hold a special place in many of our hearts, the lightweight, unique engine, beautiful design - the FD just sets itself up to be a car that will always be regarded fondly for many years, especially as we transition to EV's. I think we know that they will not design a car like this again and even though I love more modern cars (I own a Tesla Model 3 and 991.1 GT3 as well), I never get sick of driving or seeing my FD. If the FD was more robustly built (motor, interior), I think it would hold it's value with the NSX's and Supra's of the same era, and in my opinion will continually rise in price as fewer and fewer good condition LHD FD's remain in existence. I believe we are seeing that now.

There was a recent CW base model FD on BaT that sold for ~$43k, and I think Rob's car is a better example. To me, car value +/- $5k is not too much of concern as I'd rather choose the right car as so few good condition vehicles come up for sale now with the car approaching 30 years old. As all of you know, $5k comes and goes with these cars as quickly as an apex seal or a tank of gas. To me, the price was high, but fair, and what I have been looking for in my heart for several years now. There also seem to be other low mileage touring models breaking the $40k+ mark easily, and to me it was too hard for me to pass up on a low mileage, black interior CW FD. I personally think that these cars are currently undervalued and think that anyone serious about getting a great condition FD should be jumping on the few opportunities that come up as soon as possible.

-Kevin

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati.../#post12433692

Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn

Great buy and best of luck with it. Rob's car is a much better value than the base that sold on BAT and it has some nice upgrades. Someone really wanted that CW Base.

The classic car market is trying to keep up with the FEDs printing press. Hold tight and enjoy the ride

Originally Posted by cloud9

Man this latest VR R1 looks SOLID - Link this will be a fun one to watch.

edit: that shifter console is pretty unsightly but that's an easy fix

Originally Posted by IMAGINETHAT

Not sure how the center counsel looks that bad with the rest of the car looking so nice, lol

Originally Posted by RX7gp

Actually, the radio surround and driver-side door plastics look pretty bad, too. And from what I can see the passenger side door isn't great. Pretty typical, although at 48K miles it makes me wonder a bit about overall care taken of the car.

Also hard to believe the dealer ad is still on the back of the car! Geez, first thing I removed when this was common back in the day.... Or worse, maybe the guy selling it now just applied that?!

Originally Posted by RX7gp

Actually, the radio surround and driver-side door plastics look pretty bad, too. And from what I can see the passenger side door isn't great. Pretty typical, although at 48K miles it makes me wonder a bit about overall care taken of the car.

Originally Posted by RX7gp

Also hard to believe the dealer ad is still on the back of the car! Geez, first thing I removed when this was common back in the day.... Or worse, maybe the guy selling it now just applied that?!

Originally Posted by jsesq

Prior owner? Edward Scissorhands?



Owner/dealer says it's a vinyl sticker that should leave no reside when removed.