California Smog Tech Here... N E Q's?
05-10-06, 09:03 PM
#101
ok.. if i get the sodas will you give me a stock cat?
Originally Posted by adam c
I agree with you on that other stuff Fu, but come on .............. you know as well as I do that almost no one in this section knows what they are talking about. 
hes a smog technician, his occupation is passing/failing cars for smog. how can he not know what hes talking about. and even if he was lying about the crx it is unrelated so drop it. if you had anything related to how a car can pass smog or something of that nature in which this thread was intended for then argue it.
05-10-06, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LT-x7
What branch do you work for?
Around here it's more like 10% of the time spent on 911 calls. 90% of time spent eating dounts and looking for speeders.
Yes we need less.
Around here it's more like 10% of the time spent on 911 calls. 90% of time spent eating dounts and looking for speeders.
Yes we need less.
How do you know they spend all day at the donut shop? Do you follow them for their 12-hour shift? How do you know it's the same cop everytime you see them? They get a 1/2-hour lunch and two 15-minute breaks, how do you not know that they are on a break?
In reality you have NO CLUE what they do all day except for the glimpse of them sitting at a donut shop when you drive by. 95% of the public has no clue about our profession, so I guess you are not alone.
****, just yesterday, I had an experience that I hope no one else has to do. I had to get in a bio-hazard suit, put a gas-mask on, deploy an ungodly amount of pepper spray/tear gas, and extract a combative psych. inmate out of his cell when he decided to finger paint the walls with his own ****. I then had to strip him down naked, shower him, and scrub his **** infested body with a pool brush while the whole time wrestling him. Not to mention when we dragged him out of his cell, he had **** in a bag and planned on throwing it at us in the near future. It sucked at the time, but was exciting and funny as hell an hour later when I got to tell the story.
Would you have guessed that stuff like this occurs all of the time in this profession? A few months ago, I cut a dead inmate down after he hung himself in the middle of the night. We thought we felt a pulse, so CPR was started. I had nightmares about it for weeks. I am not trying to make anybody feel bad for me, I like this kid of ****.
I am just telling these stories in hopes to make people change their minds about law enforcment.
05-10-06, 09:22 PM
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the only way that could have possibly be related to this thread is if he had excessive NOX or hydrocarbon molecules blasting out of his..body well anyway i have a question now.. its for a cop or any smog guy.. what are the laws on exhausts [decibel,size,ect.]
05-10-06, 09:37 PM
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Who the hell cares what is related? This is the West Section. Welcome.
Here is the vehicle code section that pertains to exhaust systems. It's very exciting to read.
Here is the vehicle code section that pertains to exhaust systems. It's very exciting to read.
VEHICLE CODE
SECTION 27150-27159
27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and
no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass,
or similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section
38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to
identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways
shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant
operation and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of
Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or
exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar
device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to
passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized
racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a
recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local
governmental authority having jurisdiction.
27150.1. No person engaged in a business that involves the selling
of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but
not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a
motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not
limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards
applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems
or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust
equipment.
A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
27150.2. (a) Stations providing referee functions pursuant to
Section 44036 of the Health and Safety Code shall provide for the
testing of vehicular exhaust systems and the issuance of certificates
of compliance only for those vehicles that have received a citation
for a violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
(b) A certificate of compliance for a vehicular exhaust system
shall be issued pursuant to subdivision (a) if the vehicle complies
with Sections 27150 and 27151. Exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles, other than motorcycles, with a manufacturer's gross vehicle
weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds comply with Sections 27150
and 27151 if they emit no more than 95 dbA when tested in accordance
with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998.
(c) An exhaust system certificate of compliance issued pursuant to
subdivision (a) shall identify, to the extent possible, the make,
model, year, license number, and vehicle identification number of the
vehicle tested, and the make and model of the exhaust system
installed on the vehicle.
(d) The station shall charge a fee for the exhaust system
certificate of compliance issued pursuant to subdivision (a). The
fee charged shall be calculated to recover the costs incurred by the
Department of Consumer Affairs to implement this section. The fees
charged by the station shall be deposited in the Vehicle Inspection
and Repair Fund established by Section 44062 of the Health and Safety
Code.
(e) Vehicular exhaust systems are exempt from the requirements of
Sections 27150 and 27151 if compliance with those sections, or the
regulations adopted pursuant thereto, would cause an unreasonable
hardship without resulting in a sufficient corresponding benefit with
respect to noise level control.
27150.3. (a) A person may not modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle with a whistle-tip.
(b) A person may not operate a motor vehicle if that vehicle's
exhaust system is modified in violation of subdivision (a).
(c) A person may not engage in the business of installing a
whistle-tip onto a motor vehicle's exhaust system.
(d) For purposes of subdivisions (a) and (c), a "whistle-tip" is a
device that is applied to, or is a modification of, a motor vehicle'
s exhaust pipe for the sole purpose of creating a high-pitched or
shrieking noise when the motor vehicle is operated.
27150.5. Any person holding a retail seller's permit who sells or
installs an exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not
limited to, a muffler, in violation of Section 27150.1 or 27150.2 or
the regulations adopted pursuant thereto, shall thereafter be
required to install an exhaust system, or part thereof, including,
but not limited to, a muffler, which is in compliance with such
regulations upon demand of the purchaser or registered owner of the
vehicle concerned, or to reimburse the purchaser or registered owner
for the expense of replacement and installation of an exhaust system,
or part thereof, including, but not limited to, a muffler, which is
in compliance, at the election of such purchaser or registered owner.
27150.7. A court may dismiss any action in which a person is
prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or
27151 if a certificate of compliance has been issued by a station
pursuant to Section 27150.2, or if the defendant had reasonable
grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order
and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not
operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
27152. The exhaust gases from a motor vehicle shall not be directed
to the side of the vehicle between 2 feet and 11 feet above the
ground.
27153. No motor vehicle shall be operated in a manner resulting in
the escape of excessive smoke, flame, gas, oil, or fuel residue.
The provisions of this section apply to motor vehicles of the
United States or its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal
law.
27153.5. (a) No motor vehicle first sold or registered as a new
motor vehicle on or after January 1, 1971, shall discharge into the
atmosphere at elevation of less than 4,000 feet any air contaminant
for a period of more than 10 seconds which is:
(1) As dark or darker in shade as that designated as No. 1 on the
Ringelmann Chart, as published by the United States Bureau of Mines,
or
(2) Of such opacity as to obscure an observer's view to a degree
equal to or greater than does smoke described in paragraph (1) of
this subdivision.
(b) No motor vehicle first sold or registered prior to January 1,
1971, shall discharge into the atmosphere at elevation of less than
4,000 feet any air contaminant for a period of more than 10 seconds
which is:
(1) As dark or darker in shade than that designated as No. 2 on
the Ringelmann Chart, as published by the United States Bureau of
Mines, or
(2) Of such opacity as to obscure an observer's view to a degree
equal to or greater than does smoke described in paragraph (1) of
this subdivision.
(c) The provisions of this section apply to motor vehicles of the
United States or its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal
law.
27154. The cab of any motor vehicle shall be reasonably tight
against the penetration of gases and fumes from the engine or exhaust
system. The exhaust system, including the manifold, muffler, and
exhaust pipes shall be so constructed as to be capable of being
maintained and shall be maintained in a reasonably gastight
condition.
27155. No motor vehicle shall be operated or parked upon any
highway unless the filling spout for the fuel tank is closed by a cap
or cover of noncombustible material.
27156. (a) No person shall operate or leave standing upon any
highway any motor vehicle which is a gross polluter, as defined in
Section 39032.5 of the Health and Safety Code.
(b) No person shall operate or leave standing upon any highway any
motor vehicle which is required to be equipped with a motor vehicle
pollution control device under Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000)
of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code or any other certified
motor vehicle pollution control device required by any other state
law or any rule or regulation adopted pursuant to that law, or
required to be equipped with a motor vehicle pollution control device
pursuant to the National Emission Standards Act (42 U.S.C. Secs.
1857f-1 to 1857f-7, inclusive) and the standards and regulations
adopted pursuant to that federal act, unless the motor vehicle is
equipped with the required motor vehicle pollution control device
which is correctly installed and in operating condition. No person
shall disconnect, modify, or alter any such required device.
(c) No person shall install, sell, offer for sale, or advertise
any device, apparatus, or mechanism intended for use with, or as a
part of, any required motor vehicle pollution control device or
system which alters or modifies the original design or performance of
any such motor vehicle pollution control device or system.
(d) If the court finds that a person has willfully violated this
section, the court shall impose the maximum fine that may be imposed
in the case, and no part of the fine may be suspended.
(e) "Willfully," as used in this section, has the same meaning as
the meaning of that word prescribed in Section 7 of the Penal Code.
(f) No person shall operate a vehicle after notice by a traffic
officer that the vehicle is not equipped with the required certified
motor vehicle pollution control device correctly installed in
operating condition, except as may be necessary to return the vehicle
to the residence or place of business of the owner or driver or to a
garage, until the vehicle has been properly equipped with such a
device.
(g) The notice to appear issued or complaint filed for a violation
of this section shall require that the person to whom the notice to
appear is issued or against whom the complaint is filed produce proof
of correction pursuant to Section 40150 or proof of exemption
pursuant to Section 4000.1 or 4000.2.
(h) This section shall not apply to an alteration, modification,
or modifying device, apparatus, or mechanism found by resolution of
the State Air Resources Board to do either of the following:
(1) Not to reduce the effectiveness of any required motor vehicle
pollution control device.
(2) To result in emissions from any such modified or altered
vehicle which are at levels which comply with existing state or
federal standards for that model year of the vehicle being modified
or converted.
(i) This section applies to motor vehicles of the United States or
its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal law.
27156.1. The installation, prior to January 1, 1974, of an
auxiliary gasoline fuel tank for use on a 1973 or earlier model year
motor vehicle, which vehicle is required, pursuant to Part 5
(commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and
Safety Code or the National Emission Standards Act (42 U.S.C., Secs.
1857f-1 to 1857f-7, inclusive), to be equipped with a fuel system
evaporative loss control device, shall not be deemed a violation of
Section 27156 of this code. As used in this section, the term
"auxiliary gasoline fuel tank," has the same meaning as defined in
subdivision (b) of Section 43834 of the Health and Safety Code.
27156.2. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any publicly
owned authorized emergency vehicle operated by a peace officer, as
defined in Section 830 of the Penal Code, any authorized emergency
vehicle, as defined in Section 165 and used for fighting fires or
responding to emergency fire calls pursuant to paragraph (2) of
subdivision (b) or pursuant to subdivision (c) or (d) of that
section, and any publicly owned authorized emergency vehicle used by
an emergency medical technician-paramedic, as defined in Section
1797.84 of the Health and Safety Code, is exempt from requirements
imposed pursuant to California law and the regulations adopted
pursuant thereto for motor vehicle pollution control devices.
27156.3. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any motor
vehicle of mosquito abatement, vector control, or pest abatement
districts or agencies, any authorized emergency vehicle as defined in
Section 165, except subdivision (f) thereof, and any ambulance used
by a private entity under contract with a public agency, is exempt
from requirements imposed pursuant to California law and the
regulations adopted pursuant thereto for motor vehicle pollution
control devices.
27157. The State Air Resources Board, after consultation with, and
pursuant to the recommendations of, the commissioner, shall adopt
such reasonable regulations as it determines are necessary for the
public health and safety regarding the maximum allowable emissions of
pollutants from vehicles upon a highway. Such regulations shall
apply only to vehicles required by Part 5 (commencing with Section
43000) of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code or any federal
law or regulation to be equipped with devices or systems to control
emission of pollutants from the exhaust and shall not be stricter
than the emission standards required of that model year motor vehicle
when first manufactured.
27157.5. The State Air Resources Board, after consultation with,
and pursuant to the recommendations of, the commissioner, shall adopt
such reasonable standards as it determines are necessary for the
public health and safety for the emission of air pollutants from the
exhaust of motor vehicles of 1955 through 1965 model years. These
standards shall be based on the normal emissions of such cars when
the timing and carburetor are in proper adjustment and the spark
plugs are in proper operating condition.
27158. After notice by a traffic officer that a vehicle does not
comply with any regulation adopted pursuant to Section 27157, no
person shall operate, and no owner shall permit the operation of,
such vehicle for more than 30 days thereafter unless a certificate of
compliance has been issued for such vehicle in accordance with the
provisions of Section 9889.18 of the Business and Professions Code or
unless the department has checked the vehicle and determined that
the vehicle has been made to comply with such regulation adopted
pursuant to Section 27157. A certificate of compliance issued for
such vehicle shall, for a period of one year from date of issue,
constitute proof of compliance with any regulations adopted pursuant
to Section 27157 provided that no required pollution control device
has been disconnected, modified, or altered or has been adjusted by
other than a licensed installer in a licensed motor vehicle pollution
control device installation and inspection station subsequent to the
issuance of the certificate of compliance. The provisions of this
section shall apply to the United States and its agencies to the
extent authorized by federal law.
27158.5. After notice by a traffic officer that a motor vehicle
does not comply with any standard adopted pursuant to Section
27157.5, no person shall operate, and no owner shall permit the
operation of, such motor vehicle for more than 30 days thereafter
unless a certificate of compliance has been issued for such vehicle
in accordance with the provisions of Section 9889.18 of the Business
and Professions Code or unless the department has checked the vehicle
and determined that the vehicle has been made to comply with such
standard adopted pursuant to Section 27157.5. A certificate of
compliance issued for such vehicle shall, for a period of one year
from date of issue, constitute proof of compliance with the standards
determined pursuant to Section 27157.5.
27159. Any uniformed member of the California Highway Patrol may
order a vehicle stored when it is located within the territorial
limits in which the member may act if requested by a representative
of the State Air Resources Board to remove the vehicle from service
pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 44011.6 of the Health and
Safety Code. All towing and storage fees for a vehicle removed under
this section shall be paid by the owner.
SECTION 27150-27159
27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and
no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass,
or similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section
38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to
identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways
shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant
operation and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of
Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or
exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar
device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to
passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized
racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a
recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local
governmental authority having jurisdiction.
27150.1. No person engaged in a business that involves the selling
of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but
not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a
motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not
limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards
applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems
or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust
equipment.
A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
27150.2. (a) Stations providing referee functions pursuant to
Section 44036 of the Health and Safety Code shall provide for the
testing of vehicular exhaust systems and the issuance of certificates
of compliance only for those vehicles that have received a citation
for a violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
(b) A certificate of compliance for a vehicular exhaust system
shall be issued pursuant to subdivision (a) if the vehicle complies
with Sections 27150 and 27151. Exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles, other than motorcycles, with a manufacturer's gross vehicle
weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds comply with Sections 27150
and 27151 if they emit no more than 95 dbA when tested in accordance
with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998.
(c) An exhaust system certificate of compliance issued pursuant to
subdivision (a) shall identify, to the extent possible, the make,
model, year, license number, and vehicle identification number of the
vehicle tested, and the make and model of the exhaust system
installed on the vehicle.
(d) The station shall charge a fee for the exhaust system
certificate of compliance issued pursuant to subdivision (a). The
fee charged shall be calculated to recover the costs incurred by the
Department of Consumer Affairs to implement this section. The fees
charged by the station shall be deposited in the Vehicle Inspection
and Repair Fund established by Section 44062 of the Health and Safety
Code.
(e) Vehicular exhaust systems are exempt from the requirements of
Sections 27150 and 27151 if compliance with those sections, or the
regulations adopted pursuant thereto, would cause an unreasonable
hardship without resulting in a sufficient corresponding benefit with
respect to noise level control.
27150.3. (a) A person may not modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle with a whistle-tip.
(b) A person may not operate a motor vehicle if that vehicle's
exhaust system is modified in violation of subdivision (a).
(c) A person may not engage in the business of installing a
whistle-tip onto a motor vehicle's exhaust system.
(d) For purposes of subdivisions (a) and (c), a "whistle-tip" is a
device that is applied to, or is a modification of, a motor vehicle'
s exhaust pipe for the sole purpose of creating a high-pitched or
shrieking noise when the motor vehicle is operated.
27150.5. Any person holding a retail seller's permit who sells or
installs an exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not
limited to, a muffler, in violation of Section 27150.1 or 27150.2 or
the regulations adopted pursuant thereto, shall thereafter be
required to install an exhaust system, or part thereof, including,
but not limited to, a muffler, which is in compliance with such
regulations upon demand of the purchaser or registered owner of the
vehicle concerned, or to reimburse the purchaser or registered owner
for the expense of replacement and installation of an exhaust system,
or part thereof, including, but not limited to, a muffler, which is
in compliance, at the election of such purchaser or registered owner.
27150.7. A court may dismiss any action in which a person is
prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or
27151 if a certificate of compliance has been issued by a station
pursuant to Section 27150.2, or if the defendant had reasonable
grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order
and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not
operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
27152. The exhaust gases from a motor vehicle shall not be directed
to the side of the vehicle between 2 feet and 11 feet above the
ground.
27153. No motor vehicle shall be operated in a manner resulting in
the escape of excessive smoke, flame, gas, oil, or fuel residue.
The provisions of this section apply to motor vehicles of the
United States or its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal
law.
27153.5. (a) No motor vehicle first sold or registered as a new
motor vehicle on or after January 1, 1971, shall discharge into the
atmosphere at elevation of less than 4,000 feet any air contaminant
for a period of more than 10 seconds which is:
(1) As dark or darker in shade as that designated as No. 1 on the
Ringelmann Chart, as published by the United States Bureau of Mines,
or
(2) Of such opacity as to obscure an observer's view to a degree
equal to or greater than does smoke described in paragraph (1) of
this subdivision.
(b) No motor vehicle first sold or registered prior to January 1,
1971, shall discharge into the atmosphere at elevation of less than
4,000 feet any air contaminant for a period of more than 10 seconds
which is:
(1) As dark or darker in shade than that designated as No. 2 on
the Ringelmann Chart, as published by the United States Bureau of
Mines, or
(2) Of such opacity as to obscure an observer's view to a degree
equal to or greater than does smoke described in paragraph (1) of
this subdivision.
(c) The provisions of this section apply to motor vehicles of the
United States or its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal
law.
27154. The cab of any motor vehicle shall be reasonably tight
against the penetration of gases and fumes from the engine or exhaust
system. The exhaust system, including the manifold, muffler, and
exhaust pipes shall be so constructed as to be capable of being
maintained and shall be maintained in a reasonably gastight
condition.
27155. No motor vehicle shall be operated or parked upon any
highway unless the filling spout for the fuel tank is closed by a cap
or cover of noncombustible material.
27156. (a) No person shall operate or leave standing upon any
highway any motor vehicle which is a gross polluter, as defined in
Section 39032.5 of the Health and Safety Code.
(b) No person shall operate or leave standing upon any highway any
motor vehicle which is required to be equipped with a motor vehicle
pollution control device under Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000)
of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code or any other certified
motor vehicle pollution control device required by any other state
law or any rule or regulation adopted pursuant to that law, or
required to be equipped with a motor vehicle pollution control device
pursuant to the National Emission Standards Act (42 U.S.C. Secs.
1857f-1 to 1857f-7, inclusive) and the standards and regulations
adopted pursuant to that federal act, unless the motor vehicle is
equipped with the required motor vehicle pollution control device
which is correctly installed and in operating condition. No person
shall disconnect, modify, or alter any such required device.
(c) No person shall install, sell, offer for sale, or advertise
any device, apparatus, or mechanism intended for use with, or as a
part of, any required motor vehicle pollution control device or
system which alters or modifies the original design or performance of
any such motor vehicle pollution control device or system.
(d) If the court finds that a person has willfully violated this
section, the court shall impose the maximum fine that may be imposed
in the case, and no part of the fine may be suspended.
(e) "Willfully," as used in this section, has the same meaning as
the meaning of that word prescribed in Section 7 of the Penal Code.
(f) No person shall operate a vehicle after notice by a traffic
officer that the vehicle is not equipped with the required certified
motor vehicle pollution control device correctly installed in
operating condition, except as may be necessary to return the vehicle
to the residence or place of business of the owner or driver or to a
garage, until the vehicle has been properly equipped with such a
device.
(g) The notice to appear issued or complaint filed for a violation
of this section shall require that the person to whom the notice to
appear is issued or against whom the complaint is filed produce proof
of correction pursuant to Section 40150 or proof of exemption
pursuant to Section 4000.1 or 4000.2.
(h) This section shall not apply to an alteration, modification,
or modifying device, apparatus, or mechanism found by resolution of
the State Air Resources Board to do either of the following:
(1) Not to reduce the effectiveness of any required motor vehicle
pollution control device.
(2) To result in emissions from any such modified or altered
vehicle which are at levels which comply with existing state or
federal standards for that model year of the vehicle being modified
or converted.
(i) This section applies to motor vehicles of the United States or
its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal law.
27156.1. The installation, prior to January 1, 1974, of an
auxiliary gasoline fuel tank for use on a 1973 or earlier model year
motor vehicle, which vehicle is required, pursuant to Part 5
(commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and
Safety Code or the National Emission Standards Act (42 U.S.C., Secs.
1857f-1 to 1857f-7, inclusive), to be equipped with a fuel system
evaporative loss control device, shall not be deemed a violation of
Section 27156 of this code. As used in this section, the term
"auxiliary gasoline fuel tank," has the same meaning as defined in
subdivision (b) of Section 43834 of the Health and Safety Code.
27156.2. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any publicly
owned authorized emergency vehicle operated by a peace officer, as
defined in Section 830 of the Penal Code, any authorized emergency
vehicle, as defined in Section 165 and used for fighting fires or
responding to emergency fire calls pursuant to paragraph (2) of
subdivision (b) or pursuant to subdivision (c) or (d) of that
section, and any publicly owned authorized emergency vehicle used by
an emergency medical technician-paramedic, as defined in Section
1797.84 of the Health and Safety Code, is exempt from requirements
imposed pursuant to California law and the regulations adopted
pursuant thereto for motor vehicle pollution control devices.
27156.3. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any motor
vehicle of mosquito abatement, vector control, or pest abatement
districts or agencies, any authorized emergency vehicle as defined in
Section 165, except subdivision (f) thereof, and any ambulance used
by a private entity under contract with a public agency, is exempt
from requirements imposed pursuant to California law and the
regulations adopted pursuant thereto for motor vehicle pollution
control devices.
27157. The State Air Resources Board, after consultation with, and
pursuant to the recommendations of, the commissioner, shall adopt
such reasonable regulations as it determines are necessary for the
public health and safety regarding the maximum allowable emissions of
pollutants from vehicles upon a highway. Such regulations shall
apply only to vehicles required by Part 5 (commencing with Section
43000) of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code or any federal
law or regulation to be equipped with devices or systems to control
emission of pollutants from the exhaust and shall not be stricter
than the emission standards required of that model year motor vehicle
when first manufactured.
27157.5. The State Air Resources Board, after consultation with,
and pursuant to the recommendations of, the commissioner, shall adopt
such reasonable standards as it determines are necessary for the
public health and safety for the emission of air pollutants from the
exhaust of motor vehicles of 1955 through 1965 model years. These
standards shall be based on the normal emissions of such cars when
the timing and carburetor are in proper adjustment and the spark
plugs are in proper operating condition.
27158. After notice by a traffic officer that a vehicle does not
comply with any regulation adopted pursuant to Section 27157, no
person shall operate, and no owner shall permit the operation of,
such vehicle for more than 30 days thereafter unless a certificate of
compliance has been issued for such vehicle in accordance with the
provisions of Section 9889.18 of the Business and Professions Code or
unless the department has checked the vehicle and determined that
the vehicle has been made to comply with such regulation adopted
pursuant to Section 27157. A certificate of compliance issued for
such vehicle shall, for a period of one year from date of issue,
constitute proof of compliance with any regulations adopted pursuant
to Section 27157 provided that no required pollution control device
has been disconnected, modified, or altered or has been adjusted by
other than a licensed installer in a licensed motor vehicle pollution
control device installation and inspection station subsequent to the
issuance of the certificate of compliance. The provisions of this
section shall apply to the United States and its agencies to the
extent authorized by federal law.
27158.5. After notice by a traffic officer that a motor vehicle
does not comply with any standard adopted pursuant to Section
27157.5, no person shall operate, and no owner shall permit the
operation of, such motor vehicle for more than 30 days thereafter
unless a certificate of compliance has been issued for such vehicle
in accordance with the provisions of Section 9889.18 of the Business
and Professions Code or unless the department has checked the vehicle
and determined that the vehicle has been made to comply with such
standard adopted pursuant to Section 27157.5. A certificate of
compliance issued for such vehicle shall, for a period of one year
from date of issue, constitute proof of compliance with the standards
determined pursuant to Section 27157.5.
27159. Any uniformed member of the California Highway Patrol may
order a vehicle stored when it is located within the territorial
limits in which the member may act if requested by a representative
of the State Air Resources Board to remove the vehicle from service
pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 44011.6 of the Health and
Safety Code. All towing and storage fees for a vehicle removed under
this section shall be paid by the owner.
05-10-06, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pinkrx7
hes a smog technician, his occupation is passing/failing cars for smog. how can he not know what hes talking about. and even if he was lying about the crx it is unrelated so drop it. if you had anything related to how a car can pass smog or something of that nature in which this thread was intended for then argue it.
I am no smog expert, and neither is Fu. However, we are both smart enough to know that he is no expert. I suspect that he has not been at his job for very long. I may be wrong about this, but I believe that he is incorrect about intercoolers needing to have carb stickers. I believe that is no longer the case.
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If all that hasn't put you asleep, then here is the section pertaining to noise levels.
VEHICLE CODE
SECTION 27200-27207
27200. (a) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall not register on a
dealer's report of sale a new motor vehicle, except an off-highway
motor vehicle subject to identification as provided in Division 16.5
(commencing with Section 38000), which produces a maximum noise
exceeding the applicable noise limit at a distance of 50 feet from
the centerline of travel under test procedures established by the
Department of the California Highway Patrol.
(b) The Department of Motor Vehicles may accept a dealer's
certificate as proof of compliance with this article.
(c) Test procedures for compliance with this article shall be
established by the Department of the California Highway Patrol,
taking into consideration the test procedures of the Society of
Automotive Engineers.
(d) No person shall sell or offer for sale a new motor vehicle,
except an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification as
provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000), which
produces a maximum noise exceeding the applicable noise limit
specified in this article, and for which noise emission standards or
regulations have not been adopted by the Administrator of the
Environmental Protection Agency pursuant to the Noise Control Act of
1972 (P.L. 92-574).
(e) No person shall sell or offer for sale a new motor vehicle,
except an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification as
provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000), which
produces noise that exceeds or in any way violates the noise emission
standards or regulations adopted for such a motor vehicle by the
Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency pursuant to the
Noise Control Act of 1972 (P.L. 92-574).
(f) As used in this section, the term "register" is equivalent to
the term "licensing" as used in Section 6(e)(2) of the Noise Control
Act of 1972 (P.L. 92-574; Title 42, United States Code, Section 4905
(e)(2)).
27201. For the purposes of Section 27200, the noise limit of 92 dbA
shall apply to any motorcycle manufactured before 1970.
27202. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise
limits shall apply to any motorcycle, other than a motor-driven
cycle, manufactured:
(1) After 1969, and before 1973 ............ 88 dbA
(2) After 1972, and before 1975 ............ 86 dbA
(3) After 1974, and before 1986 ............ 83 dbA
(4) After 1985 ............................. 80 dbA
27203. For the purposes of Section 27200, the noise limit of 82 dbA
shall apply to any snowmobile manufactured after 1972.
27204. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise
limits shall apply to any motor vehicle within the specified
manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating and date of manufacture:
Date of
GVWR--Pounds Manufacture Noise Limit--dbA
Over 6,000 after 1967 and 88
before 1973
Over 6,000 after 1972 and 86
before 1975
Over 6,000 after 1974 and 83
before 1978
Over 8,500 after 1977 and 83
before 1982
Over 6,000 but after 1977 80
not over 8,500
Over 8,500 but after 1981 80
not over 10,000
Over 10,000 after 1981 and 83
before 1988
Over 10,000 after 1987 80
27206. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise
limits shall apply to any other motor vehicle, not specified in this
article, manufactured:
(1) After 1967, and before 1973 .............................
86 dbA
(2) After 1972, and before 1975 .............................
84 dbA
(3) After 1974 ..............................................
80 dbA
27207. No motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of more
than 10,000 pounds and equipped with an engine speed governor shall
produce a sound level exceeding 88 dbA, measured on an open site at a
distance of 50 feet from the longitudinal centerline of the vehicle,
when its engine is accelerated from idle with wide open throttle to
governed speed with the vehicle stationary, transmission in neutral,
and clutch, if any, engaged. Test procedures for compliance with
this section shall be established by the department, taking into
consideration the procedures of the United States Department of
Transportation. The procedures may provide for measuring at other
distances, in which case the measurement shall be corrected so as to
provide for measurements equivalent to the noise limit established by
this section measured at 50 feet.
SECTION 27200-27207
27200. (a) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall not register on a
dealer's report of sale a new motor vehicle, except an off-highway
motor vehicle subject to identification as provided in Division 16.5
(commencing with Section 38000), which produces a maximum noise
exceeding the applicable noise limit at a distance of 50 feet from
the centerline of travel under test procedures established by the
Department of the California Highway Patrol.
(b) The Department of Motor Vehicles may accept a dealer's
certificate as proof of compliance with this article.
(c) Test procedures for compliance with this article shall be
established by the Department of the California Highway Patrol,
taking into consideration the test procedures of the Society of
Automotive Engineers.
(d) No person shall sell or offer for sale a new motor vehicle,
except an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification as
provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000), which
produces a maximum noise exceeding the applicable noise limit
specified in this article, and for which noise emission standards or
regulations have not been adopted by the Administrator of the
Environmental Protection Agency pursuant to the Noise Control Act of
1972 (P.L. 92-574).
(e) No person shall sell or offer for sale a new motor vehicle,
except an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification as
provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000), which
produces noise that exceeds or in any way violates the noise emission
standards or regulations adopted for such a motor vehicle by the
Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency pursuant to the
Noise Control Act of 1972 (P.L. 92-574).
(f) As used in this section, the term "register" is equivalent to
the term "licensing" as used in Section 6(e)(2) of the Noise Control
Act of 1972 (P.L. 92-574; Title 42, United States Code, Section 4905
(e)(2)).
27201. For the purposes of Section 27200, the noise limit of 92 dbA
shall apply to any motorcycle manufactured before 1970.
27202. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise
limits shall apply to any motorcycle, other than a motor-driven
cycle, manufactured:
(1) After 1969, and before 1973 ............ 88 dbA
(2) After 1972, and before 1975 ............ 86 dbA
(3) After 1974, and before 1986 ............ 83 dbA
(4) After 1985 ............................. 80 dbA
27203. For the purposes of Section 27200, the noise limit of 82 dbA
shall apply to any snowmobile manufactured after 1972.
27204. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise
limits shall apply to any motor vehicle within the specified
manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating and date of manufacture:
Date of
GVWR--Pounds Manufacture Noise Limit--dbA
Over 6,000 after 1967 and 88
before 1973
Over 6,000 after 1972 and 86
before 1975
Over 6,000 after 1974 and 83
before 1978
Over 8,500 after 1977 and 83
before 1982
Over 6,000 but after 1977 80
not over 8,500
Over 8,500 but after 1981 80
not over 10,000
Over 10,000 after 1981 and 83
before 1988
Over 10,000 after 1987 80
27206. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise
limits shall apply to any other motor vehicle, not specified in this
article, manufactured:
(1) After 1967, and before 1973 .............................
86 dbA
(2) After 1972, and before 1975 .............................
84 dbA
(3) After 1974 ..............................................
80 dbA
27207. No motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of more
than 10,000 pounds and equipped with an engine speed governor shall
produce a sound level exceeding 88 dbA, measured on an open site at a
distance of 50 feet from the longitudinal centerline of the vehicle,
when its engine is accelerated from idle with wide open throttle to
governed speed with the vehicle stationary, transmission in neutral,
and clutch, if any, engaged. Test procedures for compliance with
this section shall be established by the department, taking into
consideration the procedures of the United States Department of
Transportation. The procedures may provide for measuring at other
distances, in which case the measurement shall be corrected so as to
provide for measurements equivalent to the noise limit established by
this section measured at 50 feet.
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For all of your California Vehicle Code questions... go no further than here.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/ca...ebody=&hits=20
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/ca...ebody=&hits=20
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Originally Posted by Fumanchu
I am a Sheriff Deputy.
How do you know they spend all day at the donut shop? Do you follow them for their 12-hour shift? How do you know it's the same cop everytime you see them? They get a 1/2-hour lunch and two 15-minute breaks, how do you not know that they are on a break?
In reality you have NO CLUE what they do all day except for the glimpse of them sitting at a donut shop when you drive by. 95% of the public has no clue about our profession, so I guess you are not alone.
How do you know they spend all day at the donut shop? Do you follow them for their 12-hour shift? How do you know it's the same cop everytime you see them? They get a 1/2-hour lunch and two 15-minute breaks, how do you not know that they are on a break?
In reality you have NO CLUE what they do all day except for the glimpse of them sitting at a donut shop when you drive by. 95% of the public has no clue about our profession, so I guess you are not alone.
I hope there on break when at the donut shop!
05-10-06, 10:47 PM
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i know this is the west section of the club but its a PITA to read thru unnecessary stuff like arguments and stories when youre searching for something.. someone later on is going to go through at least 8 pages for information when condensed it would have been about 4 pages..
*side note* who the hell is going to pull over my bike because my yosh pipes hit 160 decibels? ive never seen a bike get pulled over[excuse my bad grammar]
*side note* who the hell is going to pull over my bike because my yosh pipes hit 160 decibels? ive never seen a bike get pulled over[excuse my bad grammar]
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Originally Posted by pinkrx7
i know this is the west section of the club but its a PITA to read thru unnecessary stuff like arguments and stories when youre searching for something.. someone later on is going to go through at least 8 pages for information when condensed it would have been about 4 pages..
*side note* who the hell is going to pull over my bike because my yosh pipes hit 160 decibels? ive never seen a bike get pulled over[excuse my bad grammar]
*side note* who the hell is going to pull over my bike because my yosh pipes hit 160 decibels? ive never seen a bike get pulled over[excuse my bad grammar]
Originally Posted by Dhahlen
Man, I drive in socal and my car is like 100db at idle, I get into boost and that **** is seriously like 150db, lol.
one more thing - 95 decibels is the limit for cars right? i got lost in the weight classes. anyone have access to a sound tester in socal?
05-11-06, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by adam c
Just because he has a job in a certain position, it does not mean that he is an expert in his field. Are the guys that work at jiffy lube expert mechanics?
I am no smog expert, and neither is Fu. However, we are both smart enough to know that he is no expert. I suspect that he has not been at his job for very long. I may be wrong about this, but I believe that he is incorrect about intercoolers needing to have carb stickers. I believe that is no longer the case.
I am no smog expert, and neither is Fu. However, we are both smart enough to know that he is no expert. I suspect that he has not been at his job for very long. I may be wrong about this, but I believe that he is incorrect about intercoolers needing to have carb stickers. I believe that is no longer the case.
Anything that has to do with amog I have answered %100 correctly. If u dont believe me then I cant help you. Its just like an intake system. Ur not supose to just thow on a cone filter. If intercoolers werent supose to have carb # then why would they make kits that have carb #s? & if u were smart enough u would see that right on the box of the greddy kit it says "not legal for sale or use on any smog controlled California vehicles." It wouldnt say that if it was Ca street legal. Go ahead & get pulled over by CHP with a front mount I will guarenteee u'll be riding in the back seat of his patrol car on the way home. And the car will be impounded for 30 days. BEEN THERE DONE THAT.
I have gotten 2 ticket for modified exhaust. I won both in court. All I had to tell the judge was that my exhaust is modified but the officer has no proof that it had reached the maximun Db limit. They may be trained with their eyes to measure a speed, but they are not trained to measure Db with their ear & the officer has no way of measuring Dbs. So its bullshit. They only way he could rightfully give u a ticket is by making you take it to get tested.
& Dont worry Fu, U put me to sleep days ago
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I just spoke with G.A. Tony Wilson. He works for the Burea Of Automotive Repair (BAR). They are the ones who make up the rules for Ca smog. He came by my shop to do a routine QA inspection. I asked him about after market intercoolers. If it doesnt have carb # its not legal. Sorry but if Joe from the smog shop around the corner said it was....he lied. If u want to ask Mr. Wilson yourself here is his phone # (510) 243-9410. He is what they call the Program Representative. He works at the Department in Richmond, Ca. Sorry he has no e-mail address. But you are more than welcome to call.
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Originally Posted by piercdawg
I have gotten 2 ticket for modified exhaust. I won both in court. All I had to tell the judge was that my exhaust is modified but the officer has no proof that it had reached the maximun Db limit. They may be trained with their eyes to measure a speed, but they are not trained to measure Db with their ear & the officer has no way of measuring Dbs. So its bullshit. They only way he could rightfully give u a ticket is by making you take it to get tested.
& Dont worry Fu, U put me to sleep days ago
& Dont worry Fu, U put me to sleep days ago
05-11-06, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by piercdawg
Anything that has to do with amog I have answered %100 correctly. If u dont believe me then I cant help you. Its just like an intake system. Ur not supose to just thow on a cone filter. If intercoolers werent supose to have carb # then why would they make kits that have carb #s? & if u were smart enough u would see that right on the box of the greddy kit it says "not legal for sale or use on any smog controlled California vehicles." It wouldnt say that if it was Ca street legal.
Originally Posted by piercdawg
.......Go ahead & get pulled over by CHP with a front mount I will guarenteee u'll be riding in the back seat of his patrol car on the way home. And the car will be impounded for 30 days. BEEN THERE DONE THAT.
Originally Posted by piercdawg
As a smog tech we actually work for the state. I carry a state license. I get fined, heavily if i dont do my job right.
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I have had my license for a little over 2 years. OK I didnt mean u'd get aressted, I meant that u'd be riding home, in the back of the cop car because the car would be on the way to the impound.
Ya I know the referees measure Dbs now. But a cop cannot write a ticket for modded exhaust if he didnt measure it. Maybe a fix it ticket for it. I just went tou court for the ticket in Jan. Maybe they changed it since then. & No I wasnt hired by the state, but according to the BAR I work for & with the state so I think you should not talk about thing you have no clue about
Ya I know the referees measure Dbs now. But a cop cannot write a ticket for modded exhaust if he didnt measure it. Maybe a fix it ticket for it. I just went tou court for the ticket in Jan. Maybe they changed it since then. & No I wasnt hired by the state, but according to the BAR I work for & with the state so I think you should not talk about thing you have no clue about
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Originally Posted by piercdawg
Ya I know the referees measure Dbs now. But a cop cannot write a ticket for modded exhaust if he didnt measure it. Maybe a fix it ticket for it.
An officer can write a ticket for modified exhaust. Have you ever heard this, "the accused is presumed to be innocent until it has been declared guilty by a court"?
He doesn't need to prove anything at the time of the citation.
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Your car can be impounded for illegal mods. They might not if u have some small little mods, but If the car is significanlty modded they will take it. No thats probably the smallest reason they have referee stations. They werent created so that cars that were modified can be checked. They are pretty much normal smog stations that do EVERYTHING except repairs. They can TEST-ONLYs to regular smog, & can look up anything and can answer all questions. Referee's are smog techs that have been in the buisness for a very long time and are working directly with the state. They are kind of like a main office. Well he doesnt "have" to prove anything, but if he doesnt I'll win in court. Just like a speeding ticket. If his gun has'nt been calibrated the ticket is more likly to be thrown out. If its not proven how many decibles my exhaust is, it will get thrown out in court thats all im saying.
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Originally Posted by adam c
Which "BAR" were you drinking in when you "learned" this 
Well I learned this from Mr. Casalary he is the "head hancho" of the smog program in the bay area. his # is 1-510-580-1266. He also teaches at WYOTECH of Freemont, Ca. & I learned this in whats called the "CLEAN AIR CAR COURSE" or what they like to call Class 504.
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Well then consider him lucky. I've got a firend here, that got his impounded for having an SR in his coupe. He got it back, but he then had to register it non-op. & paid like $800 in fines. What happend to your friend? Did he get a ticket? if so what was the ticket for?
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