California Smog Tech Here... N E Q's?
05-05-06, 10:23 AM
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so what about engine swapped cars.
I remember reading that you could put the same engine from a later model car in an earlier model. Say an S5 motor into my FB.
Have you had any dealings with this?
I remember reading that you could put the same engine from a later model car in an earlier model. Say an S5 motor into my FB.
Have you had any dealings with this?
05-05-06, 11:12 AM
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OK NO MORE CAPS! Well if u go into deep detail things under the hood do count. Like pcv valve, & hose routing. It may only be a little bit, but it counts. If its not hooked up right it will let blow by right into the atmosphere. There is no way Ca. will ever let og of the visual. They are just hgetting more strict every year. Soon they will have a actual test where we have to pressurize the evap system on 95 & older models. I know a lot of car will pass the sniffer with minor mods. But a blow off valve does let unfilted air into the atmosphere, (blowby) its such a rediculous small amount but they want to count it. It really is just a way for the giv. to make more revenue from the public without raising taxes.
This new smog really has made a difference in the air quality in the LA area and even the bay area. Its has decrease a good amount in the past few years.
2. I've never deal with the 13bt in a FB before but it can be done and legalized, Dont know how much it would cost really, you'd have to talk with a referee. (very strict) I have smogged a couple, civics with b18s & such with BAR LABELS. meaning it has been aproved by a state referee and is smog legal....visually. Still has to pass the sniffer test too.
This new smog really has made a difference in the air quality in the LA area and even the bay area. Its has decrease a good amount in the past few years.
2. I've never deal with the 13bt in a FB before but it can be done and legalized, Dont know how much it would cost really, you'd have to talk with a referee. (very strict) I have smogged a couple, civics with b18s & such with BAR LABELS. meaning it has been aproved by a state referee and is smog legal....visually. Still has to pass the sniffer test too.
05-05-06, 11:14 AM
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There are alot of factors under the hood that can cause high emission that cant be measured by the sniffer. I.E. pcv valve, evap system, fuel cap even, fuel leaks. ect...
05-05-06, 01:47 PM
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Referees can be found in a phone book. Just go by a smog shop in ur area and ask where the closest one is. They will answer all the questions u have about motor swaps and tell u everything u need to do. They want to help u. No a front mount doesnt affect emissions #s, but..... trhe greddy kit, doesnt have the piping hook up for the stock blow off valve, the BAC valce or the cold start valve, therefore emissions are not hooked up correctly and it isnt smog legal. ALSO! with a front mount it allows u to boost more correct? do u not boost more? ok... when boost is higher, more gas is used and the IAT read a colder temp. and causes emissions to go up.. U gotta stop and think how all these affect eachother. no back valve, no stabe idle. & when the back valve isnt hooked up, the trailing timing changes. it thinks its off idle. & idle then become unstable. The front mount doesnt cause direct emission to go up, but you add all the things together and u get a result
05-05-06, 03:37 PM
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ok well what do u say about pre '76 cars? do they not polute? and why not just have it to where the people that dont want to smog there cars just pay a fee? like the gas guzzlers tax.
05-05-06, 03:53 PM
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Well ur kinda right, its really not fair. But listen, they are smog exempt, But that doesnt mean they can take their cats off, add a masive carburator, & superchage it. BUT THEY DO!! & by law, that not legal!!! By LAW they are suposed to every single emissions componet the car originally came with. & cannot be modded. But they get away with it cause cop dont give a ****. People think that cause its smog exempt they can mod it now and its ok & legal. But its really not. They are not SUPOSE to mod their car any less than ours. Face it, Cops hate us, they hate imports, they are biast! Now if they did get in trouble they would have to be reffed just like anyone else, & pay a hefty fine, but it doesnt happen to them cause, they think its ok.
second of all, Sometimes it is very hard to fine replacement parts for some of these old cars. So they exempt them because of this. & its not fair to put a limit on a cars emissions thats so old & beat up & the poor technology they used to controll everything. The emissions controls they had were garbage,
second of all, Sometimes it is very hard to fine replacement parts for some of these old cars. So they exempt them because of this. & its not fair to put a limit on a cars emissions thats so old & beat up & the poor technology they used to controll everything. The emissions controls they had were garbage,
05-05-06, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by piercdawg
Referees can be found in a phone book. Just go by a smog shop in ur area and ask where the closest one is. They will answer all the questions u have about motor swaps and tell u everything u need to do. They want to help u. No a front mount doesnt affect emissions #s, but..... trhe greddy kit, doesnt have the piping hook up for the stock blow off valve, the BAC valce or the cold start valve, therefore emissions are not hooked up correctly and it isnt smog legal. ALSO! with a front mount it allows u to boost more correct? do u not boost more? ok... when boost is higher, more gas is used and the IAT read a colder temp. and causes emissions to go up.. U gotta stop and think how all these affect eachother. no back valve, no stabe idle. & when the back valve isnt hooked up, the trailing timing changes. it thinks its off idle. & idle then become unstable. The front mount doesnt cause direct emission to go up, but you add all the things together and u get a result
If I can make my car run clean with a front mount, it should be leagal.
Same with a engine swap, shouldn't matter what motor is in there if it runs as clean or cleaner than the original motor.
05-06-06, 12:18 AM
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No because not everything cant e measured by the sniffer, It only test you at 15mph & 25 mph. The sniffer cant tell if u have a leaking gas cap and ur leaking fumes from ur tank, It cant tell if the lines from the evap canister are unhooked and u r venting the fumes from ur tankinto the atmosphere. They do make a legal intercooler kit, its a HKS & it runs for a lil over 2K. Yes I think It should be legal as well, but those are a few reasons why the visual must be done. Well they know if ur swaping a motor into ur car, it so its faster, or have more power. They just want it done, so its done right & still has emissions.
05-06-06, 04:01 AM
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**** do u think a smog guy would notice if u went and bought a bunch of civic parts with the carb # on them and attachet them to the parts on the 7? i.e. get the carb plate from an intake, thne take it off and place it on the intercooler piping.
05-07-06, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by piercdawg
No because not everything cant e measured by the sniffer, It only test you at 15mph & 25 mph.
My BOV is/was far down from the throttlebody so explain to me how blowbye can defy the laws of physics, and travel past the throttlebody, to make it to the BOV ?
Or even if it starts during combustion by the time it picks up fresh air, and heads back through any vaccuum / boost leak will cause the same issue which you can't see.
And then if you use the Stock BOV, it's going into the airbox, which isn't airtight, if you totally let off the throttle and don't suck back in what you let off , you're still polluting according to that logic...
(I'm not trying to attack you, it's just the (CARBs) cookie cutter rule, on "All cars you can't have X" is like saying all black people have an extra muscle in their legs.... (It's Stereotyping and just plain stupidity).
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05-07-06, 02:26 PM
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(I'm not trying to attack you, it's just the (CARBs) cookie cutter rule, on "All cars you can't have X" is like saying all black people have an extra muscle in their legs.... (It's Stereotyping and just plain stupidity).
Also, about the CARB stickers.
I've seen people take their stock mount intercoolers.. and throw the greddy carb # on them. Most techs aren't goin to know the difference, and most intercoolers don't have a logo on them anyway. You could throw in an XS power SMIC and throw the greddy carb on it. Seems to work fine for several people.
05-07-06, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dhahlen
Also, about the CARB stickers.
I've seen people take their stock mount intercoolers.. and throw the greddy carb # on them. Most techs aren't goin to know the difference, and most intercoolers don't have a logo on them anyway. You could throw in an XS power SMIC and throw the greddy carb on it. Seems to work fine for several people.
I've seen people take their stock mount intercoolers.. and throw the greddy carb # on them. Most techs aren't goin to know the difference, and most intercoolers don't have a logo on them anyway. You could throw in an XS power SMIC and throw the greddy carb on it. Seems to work fine for several people.
05-07-06, 09:07 PM
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NO ur not boosting during the test, but thats why there is the VISUAL! u dont get it, the visual is to see things that will cause higher emissions that cant be measured during the test thats all. Well u know there is manifold vaccum that goes to the throttle BOV. & oh, Hmm I think about 90% of all turbos leak a little oil into the intake? correct? well thers ur blow by right there. It isnt much, but its still there. Dont come at me like I dont know ****, Im here and have a response, let alone good response to anythin u can come up up with.& well COPs might not look up what carb #s are supose to be on what, but its the smog tech career on the line if he doesnt. They can & will take away our licenses away & fine us if we dont. But most will pass it if it has some sort of carb #s on them.
05-07-06, 09:17 PM
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I can answer that for LS1- You either need to run the stock camaro filter kit (you have to drive without a hood to the smog station), or a k&n carb legal fipk (I think that is the one). Depending on who you get, you can fail visual for the 02 sensors because the drivers side 02 has to be moved about 1" in order for it to clear the steering rack, also no codes thrown via the obd2 port that you wire in, egr for pre 2001 engines, air pump, cats (duh) sniffer, that should cover everything. And obviously you will pass, ls1's are clean 
05-07-06, 10:31 PM
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exaxctly, if the REF wanted to be and ***, he could not let it pass becuase of the O2 sensor being in a different spot or being rewmoved, The ECU cant have any codes and all but 2 readiness monitors must be ready. The EGR has to be on there if the motor that u r putting in originally has one. Its not the original equip on the car! Itas the original equip of the engine ur are using. U even has to use transmission from the engine u are putting in. Example a 3sgte in a Corolla. They use the stock trans but modify the bellhousing to fit on the 3stge. Not smog legal no matter what u do, if the REF wants to be an ***
05-08-06, 02:37 AM
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i understand that u guys are liable if u dont check the #'s and like u said im sure that alot of them dont bother tho, this is just like in my field of work.. i am a pizza delivery MAN not boy! haha j/p but seriously were suppose to check and make sure that we have the right pizzas in the box but i can tell u that 90% of the time i dont check and about 80% of the time its the right pizza. any ways just thought that, that was a funny analogy.
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also on another note i was thinking of this i dea for a mid pipe, im sure its illeagal but id like ur input.
so if i took this set up to be smoged and had the valve close where the exaust flow was going through the cat would it pass? i highly doubt it, just wondering
so if i took this set up to be smoged and had the valve close where the exaust flow was going through the cat would it pass? i highly doubt it, just wondering
05-08-06, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by *RX007*
also on another note i was thinking of this i dea for a mid pipe, im sure its illeagal but id like ur input.
so if i took this set up to be smoged and had the valve close where the exaust flow was going through the cat would it pass? i highly doubt it, just wondering
so if i took this set up to be smoged and had the valve close where the exaust flow was going through the cat would it pass? i highly doubt it, just wondering