Haltech HItman
Originally posted by fdracer
in that list of the quickest rotaries in oz, what does ems stand for? anyway, i think that list is a good idea. we should compile a worldwide list showing their times, how many rotors, and what ems they use. then we'll really see which system the big dogs use most, it'll be very interesting to say the least. does anyone have any times to contribute?
in that list of the quickest rotaries in oz, what does ems stand for? anyway, i think that list is a good idea. we should compile a worldwide list showing their times, how many rotors, and what ems they use. then we'll really see which system the big dogs use most, it'll be very interesting to say the least. does anyone have any times to contribute?
Whats that going to prove???? if you read some more of this thread, you'll find that the kinda general consensous is there is more to how good an EFI system is than how fast it can run a car down the 1/4 mile at W.O.T................................
Originally posted by fdracer
btw, we shouldn't be comparing what haltech's new system is gonna do against what microtech does. this is ridiculous to compare a system that is not out yet with one that is. if we could do that why don't we compare the next generation system being developed by microtech w/ the e11. using a non-existent system for comparison is a never ending battle, cause someone always has features coming out which will beat a competitor's existing features. it's like if someone says the xbox can do all this over the playstation 2 and then you say, yeah but the ps3 is gonna be way better than the xbox. let's wait for it to come out before we make comparisons.
btw, we shouldn't be comparing what haltech's new system is gonna do against what microtech does. this is ridiculous to compare a system that is not out yet with one that is. if we could do that why don't we compare the next generation system being developed by microtech w/ the e11. using a non-existent system for comparison is a never ending battle, cause someone always has features coming out which will beat a competitor's existing features. it's like if someone says the xbox can do all this over the playstation 2 and then you say, yeah but the ps3 is gonna be way better than the xbox. let's wait for it to come out before we make comparisons.
Microtech vs. Haltech
" Even the E6A had more features and load points that the current crop of Microtechs! " - AJC13B
I have never said to not use an MT, I just say to be aware that they are not the great system that many so called tuners lead you to believe.
This comes ddown to the installer and wiring quality, but I have NEVER seen a MT hold ignition timing steady. turn the Timing Lock ON, connect a timing light, and watch the timing scatter.
I am not the only person who will say this. I recommend those on a budget who just need their car running to go and get an MT although I don't sell them and don't want to. But if you are serious about getting your car running properly then look for a Haltech/Motec/Autronic. -The Hitman
"Its datalogging is better than Haltech, has more drivers than the Haltech, it's Windows based (vs Haltechs DOS app), its not 2D but most importantly it doesn't have issues with timing or injector drivers. Microtech in my opinion is much more reliable. " - Mario
So where is the truth? Both ECU's have timing scatter?
Does the Microtech software exceeds haltech with its superior datalogging features "MOTECish"?
Could someone elaborate on the datalogging features of the Microtech ECU that makes it that much better than the Haltech?
I'm looking for a reliable ECU without the MOTEC price tag. This thread will really help me to decide.
I have never said to not use an MT, I just say to be aware that they are not the great system that many so called tuners lead you to believe.
This comes ddown to the installer and wiring quality, but I have NEVER seen a MT hold ignition timing steady. turn the Timing Lock ON, connect a timing light, and watch the timing scatter.
I am not the only person who will say this. I recommend those on a budget who just need their car running to go and get an MT although I don't sell them and don't want to. But if you are serious about getting your car running properly then look for a Haltech/Motec/Autronic. -The Hitman
"Its datalogging is better than Haltech, has more drivers than the Haltech, it's Windows based (vs Haltechs DOS app), its not 2D but most importantly it doesn't have issues with timing or injector drivers. Microtech in my opinion is much more reliable. " - Mario
So where is the truth? Both ECU's have timing scatter?
Does the Microtech software exceeds haltech with its superior datalogging features "MOTECish"?
Could someone elaborate on the datalogging features of the Microtech ECU that makes it that much better than the Haltech?
I'm looking for a reliable ECU without the MOTEC price tag. This thread will really help me to decide.
Last edited by dellorto7; Aug 10, 2002 at 06:32 PM.
I can get you some screen dumps with some data on it if you like, but i wont be able to do it for a few days as i have to go to a mates place and hook up my laptop and go for a drive,
the data logger logs everything that is hooked into the ecu, afr, tps, map, injector ms, water temp, air temp, ign timing etc etc, ill do one screen dump with a few on then one with all on, ill get back to you.
dale
the data logger logs everything that is hooked into the ecu, afr, tps, map, injector ms, water temp, air temp, ign timing etc etc, ill do one screen dump with a few on then one with all on, ill get back to you.
dale
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Originally posted by HWO
Whats that going to prove???? if you read some more of this thread, you'll find that the kinda general consensous is there is more to how good an EFI system is than how fast it can run a car down the 1/4 mile at W.O.T................................
Whats that going to prove???? if you read some more of this thread, you'll find that the kinda general consensous is there is more to how good an EFI system is than how fast it can run a car down the 1/4 mile at W.O.T................................
moreover, although racers setups on the strip, not just with ecu's but with all modifications, cannot be duplicated on the street, the fact remains that it does sell product. what people see on the track is what they're gonna put on their street car, simple as that. that's why companies sponsor race cars even though a majority of their products are sold for street cars. in that sense, knowing which racer uses what system, is relevant in determining the next trend in ecu's.
Originally posted by fdracer
moreover, although racers setups on the strip, not just with ecu's but with all modifications, cannot be duplicated on the street, the fact remains that it does sell product. what people see on the track is what they're gonna put on their street car, simple as that. that's why companies sponsor race cars even though a majority of their products are sold for street cars. in that sense, knowing which racer uses what system, is relevant in determining the next trend in ecu's.
moreover, although racers setups on the strip, not just with ecu's but with all modifications, cannot be duplicated on the street, the fact remains that it does sell product. what people see on the track is what they're gonna put on their street car, simple as that. that's why companies sponsor race cars even though a majority of their products are sold for street cars. in that sense, knowing which racer uses what system, is relevant in determining the next trend in ecu's.
If that were true, this thread wouldn't exist.
This thread proves, if nothing else, that at least SOME people are interested in making informed purchases.
Re: Microtech vs. Haltech
Originally posted by dellorto7
" Even the E6A had more features and load points that the current crop of Microtechs! " - AJC13B
Not sure about this
I have NEVER seen a MT hold ignition timing steady. turn the Timing Lock ON, connect a timing light, and watch the timing scatter.
Ans i drve with timing lock on all the time, put a figure of 10 degrees in the rpm map, zero the others and rev it up. If it doesnt scatter with the timing lock off, then it is not a big issue.
I am not the only person who will say this. I recommend those on a budget who just need their car running to go and get an MT although I don't sell them and don't want to. But if you are serious about getting your car running properly then look for a Haltech/Motec/Autronic. -The Hitman
Reasonable advise but the MT will work.
"Its datalogging is better than Haltech, has more drivers than the Haltech, it's Windows based (vs Haltechs DOS app), its not 2D but most importantly it doesn't have issues with timing or injector drivers. Microtech in my opinion is much more reliable. " - Mario
So where is the truth? Both ECU's have timing scatter?
Does the Microtech software exceeds haltech with its superior datalogging features "MOTECish"?
Could someone elaborate on the datalogging features of the Microtech ECU that makes it that much better than the Haltech?
I'm looking for a reliable ECU without the MOTEC price tag. This thread will really help me to decide.
BVuy an autronic, i have to eat.
Chris
" Even the E6A had more features and load points that the current crop of Microtechs! " - AJC13B
Not sure about this
I have NEVER seen a MT hold ignition timing steady. turn the Timing Lock ON, connect a timing light, and watch the timing scatter.
Ans i drve with timing lock on all the time, put a figure of 10 degrees in the rpm map, zero the others and rev it up. If it doesnt scatter with the timing lock off, then it is not a big issue.
I am not the only person who will say this. I recommend those on a budget who just need their car running to go and get an MT although I don't sell them and don't want to. But if you are serious about getting your car running properly then look for a Haltech/Motec/Autronic. -The Hitman
Reasonable advise but the MT will work.
"Its datalogging is better than Haltech, has more drivers than the Haltech, it's Windows based (vs Haltechs DOS app), its not 2D but most importantly it doesn't have issues with timing or injector drivers. Microtech in my opinion is much more reliable. " - Mario
So where is the truth? Both ECU's have timing scatter?
Does the Microtech software exceeds haltech with its superior datalogging features "MOTECish"?
Could someone elaborate on the datalogging features of the Microtech ECU that makes it that much better than the Haltech?
I'm looking for a reliable ECU without the MOTEC price tag. This thread will really help me to decide.
BVuy an autronic, i have to eat.
Chris
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