Haltech HItman
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Cement - Have you actually read any of this thread?
MVA - Mate, you don't seem to get it do you? You have been told that the measure of an ECU is not HP yet you go on with these childish "mine is bigger/better/stronger" angles. Any ECU can tune for top end. How its get to the top end HP, how drivable it is and the functions the ECU provides is what seperates the good ECUs from the not so good.
Why is it that people consider the Motecs to be the best? Because of the functions it provides, the datalogging, the mutlitude of corrections available etc etc.
Answer these questions:
Does Microtech provide full 3D fuel mapping?
Does Microtech provide full 3D ignition mapping?
Can you take an MT off a Civic and then put it on a Mazda and tune straight away with no mods to the ECU?
Does the injection timing of the MT compare to the Haltechs? (Haltech can be tuned to 0.008ms)
Can you save a Microtech map?
If the answer to ANY of those questions is no...well, nothing really needs to be said.
Originally posted by MVAMotorsport
I also tune cars's everyday, But the LT-x8 the USA Version of microtech is not 2D and it has twice the drivers that the e6k(12 in total)(haltech 4 unless you buy the -8). Is all laptop, and it has a real good Datarecorder, ( ten time better than the e6k). The microtech is all windows base. I dont want to say that the haltech dont work. But as a racer, i'm always on the dyno trying to find a product that would give me more horsepower, and at the same time be reliable. and i have found that on microtech.
I also tune cars's everyday, But the LT-x8 the USA Version of microtech is not 2D and it has twice the drivers that the e6k(12 in total)(haltech 4 unless you buy the -8). Is all laptop, and it has a real good Datarecorder, ( ten time better than the e6k). The microtech is all windows base. I dont want to say that the haltech dont work. But as a racer, i'm always on the dyno trying to find a product that would give me more horsepower, and at the same time be reliable. and i have found that on microtech.
Originally posted by T88Kid
We are not claiming that Haltech is a piece of ****, only that it pales in comparison to Microtech US ecu's.
The older versions of Haltechs ecu's kick ***. In our experience with ECU's we believe that Microtech is the better ecu for the rotary engine.
We are not claiming that Haltech is a piece of ****, only that it pales in comparison to Microtech US ecu's.
The older versions of Haltechs ecu's kick ***. In our experience with ECU's we believe that Microtech is the better ecu for the rotary engine.
Why is it that people consider the Motecs to be the best? Because of the functions it provides, the datalogging, the mutlitude of corrections available etc etc.
Answer these questions:
Does Microtech provide full 3D fuel mapping?
Does Microtech provide full 3D ignition mapping?
Can you take an MT off a Civic and then put it on a Mazda and tune straight away with no mods to the ECU?
Does the injection timing of the MT compare to the Haltechs? (Haltech can be tuned to 0.008ms)
Can you save a Microtech map?
If the answer to ANY of those questions is no...well, nothing really needs to be said.
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Exactly. And if there are specific problems with the Haltech, what are they?
We need more than some guy saying that lots of engines have blown while running Haltech. That's no better than saying lots of cars have crashed while using Goodyear race tires. It was an inflamatory remark that, even if accepted as true, is worthless without more information describing specific circumstances.
With all of these messages, you'd think that there would be at least one quantifiable measure of Microtech's superiority would have been mentioned. I'm sure there are some, but I haven't heard any expressed very well... other than price.
And maybe there is nothing other than price, but at least be honest about it. It would be perfectly reasonable to me if someone said that the Microtech is good enough for their application and it costs less. I'm sure that the Microtech is capable of delivering the same peak HP on a given engine +/- some reasonable margin.
What I find unreasonable are people who say that Haltech's blow engines while providing absolutely no context or supporting evidence for their statement.
We need more than some guy saying that lots of engines have blown while running Haltech. That's no better than saying lots of cars have crashed while using Goodyear race tires. It was an inflamatory remark that, even if accepted as true, is worthless without more information describing specific circumstances.
With all of these messages, you'd think that there would be at least one quantifiable measure of Microtech's superiority would have been mentioned. I'm sure there are some, but I haven't heard any expressed very well... other than price.
And maybe there is nothing other than price, but at least be honest about it. It would be perfectly reasonable to me if someone said that the Microtech is good enough for their application and it costs less. I'm sure that the Microtech is capable of delivering the same peak HP on a given engine +/- some reasonable margin.
What I find unreasonable are people who say that Haltech's blow engines while providing absolutely no context or supporting evidence for their statement.
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Hitman,
Thank you for your response, I hope you have not read me wrong but I am not claiming that the MT/lt anything is superior to anything else. If you check you will find that I have never made a comparison to Haltech directly. I am only here to defend our product when it is wrongly bagged. It works and works well, like all systems has its short comings and we will endevour to address them in some type of order of importance. I can inform you of the ignition problems with Haltech applications that I regularly find in the USA but will do it on the phone as it would only start a war here. Call me 03 9416 9516- or I will try to find your number to contact you. There are several matters we need to discuss in private.
MVA- you know I would be interested in a comparison and would enjoy the challenge, however that would really be challenging tuners and not units, however that would be fun also.
I know we are recognised in drag racing, but someone should tell our circuit racers that are leading their championships that they are no use for circuit racing.
Only paranoia could mislead this post as a discredit on Haltech or Hitman. You figure it out!
Regards-Anthony
Thank you for your response, I hope you have not read me wrong but I am not claiming that the MT/lt anything is superior to anything else. If you check you will find that I have never made a comparison to Haltech directly. I am only here to defend our product when it is wrongly bagged. It works and works well, like all systems has its short comings and we will endevour to address them in some type of order of importance. I can inform you of the ignition problems with Haltech applications that I regularly find in the USA but will do it on the phone as it would only start a war here. Call me 03 9416 9516- or I will try to find your number to contact you. There are several matters we need to discuss in private.
MVA- you know I would be interested in a comparison and would enjoy the challenge, however that would really be challenging tuners and not units, however that would be fun also.
I know we are recognised in drag racing, but someone should tell our circuit racers that are leading their championships that they are no use for circuit racing.
Only paranoia could mislead this post as a discredit on Haltech or Hitman. You figure it out!
Regards-Anthony
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From: Long Island
No secrets mate!
Originally posted by Anthony Rodrigues
Hitman,
Thank you for your response, I hope you have not read me wrong but I am not claiming that the MT/lt anything is superior to anything else. If you check you will find that I have never made a comparison to Haltech directly. I am only here to defend our product when it is wrongly bagged. It works and works well, like all systems has its short comings and we will endevour to address them in some type of order of importance. I can inform you of the ignition problems with Haltech applications that I regularly find in the USA but will do it on the phone as it would only start a war here. Call me 03 9416 9516- or I will try to find your number to contact you. There are several matters we need to discuss in private.
MVA- you know I would be interested in a comparison and would enjoy the challenge, however that would really be challenging tuners and not units, however that would be fun also.
I know we are recognised in drag racing, but someone should tell our circuit racers that are leading their championships that they are no use for circuit racing.
Only paranoia could mislead this post as a discredit on Haltech or Hitman. You figure it out!
Regards-Anthony
Hitman,
Thank you for your response, I hope you have not read me wrong but I am not claiming that the MT/lt anything is superior to anything else. If you check you will find that I have never made a comparison to Haltech directly. I am only here to defend our product when it is wrongly bagged. It works and works well, like all systems has its short comings and we will endevour to address them in some type of order of importance. I can inform you of the ignition problems with Haltech applications that I regularly find in the USA but will do it on the phone as it would only start a war here. Call me 03 9416 9516- or I will try to find your number to contact you. There are several matters we need to discuss in private.
MVA- you know I would be interested in a comparison and would enjoy the challenge, however that would really be challenging tuners and not units, however that would be fun also.
I know we are recognised in drag racing, but someone should tell our circuit racers that are leading their championships that they are no use for circuit racing.
Only paranoia could mislead this post as a discredit on Haltech or Hitman. You figure it out!
Regards-Anthony
IF THERE IS SOMETHING CAUSING OUR MOTORS TO BLOW, REGARDLESS OF THE FAULT IE. TUNER/HARDWARE/SETUP CONFIGURATION/INSTALLATION THIS SHOULD BE MADE PUBLIC. I'M SURE THERE MUST BE A FIX FOR THESE PROBLEMS.
I BELIEVE THATS WHY WE HAVE THIS HALTECH ECU FORUM.....
PLEASE, ANTHONY FILL US IN ON THE ISSUES. I'M SURE THE SAME ISSUES HALTECH MAY HAVE SO WILL OTHER STAND ALONE COMPUTERS.
JUST MY THOUGHTS.
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From: Lebanon
Post the ******* problems !!!
We are not all experienced like HITman, rice, etc etc........... Tell us all the issues you know of that are real so we can all benifit, no need to ring anyone in "private" if the reasons are real. Otherwise looks like a load of **** if you do not post your facts. We all need to learn from people who have experienced problems, if you care you will post the facts with proof !
We are not all experienced like HITman, rice, etc etc........... Tell us all the issues you know of that are real so we can all benifit, no need to ring anyone in "private" if the reasons are real. Otherwise looks like a load of **** if you do not post your facts. We all need to learn from people who have experienced problems, if you care you will post the facts with proof !
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From: lebanon
Originally posted by sbaker25
Exactly. And if there are specific problems with the Haltech, what are they?
We need more than some guy saying that lots of engines have blown while running Haltech. That's no better than saying lots of cars have crashed while using Goodyear race tires. It was an inflamatory remark that, even if accepted as true, is worthless without more information describing specific circumstances.
With all of these messages, you'd think that there would be at least one quantifiable measure of Microtech's superiority would have been mentioned. I'm sure there are some, but I haven't heard any expressed very well... other than price.
And maybe there is nothing other than price, but at least be honest about it. It would be perfectly reasonable to me if someone said that the Microtech is good enough for their application and it costs less. I'm sure that the Microtech is capable of delivering the same peak HP on a given engine +/- some reasonable margin.
What I find unreasonable are people who say that Haltech's blow engines while providing absolutely no context or supporting evidence for their statement.
Exactly. And if there are specific problems with the Haltech, what are they?
We need more than some guy saying that lots of engines have blown while running Haltech. That's no better than saying lots of cars have crashed while using Goodyear race tires. It was an inflamatory remark that, even if accepted as true, is worthless without more information describing specific circumstances.
With all of these messages, you'd think that there would be at least one quantifiable measure of Microtech's superiority would have been mentioned. I'm sure there are some, but I haven't heard any expressed very well... other than price.
And maybe there is nothing other than price, but at least be honest about it. It would be perfectly reasonable to me if someone said that the Microtech is good enough for their application and it costs less. I'm sure that the Microtech is capable of delivering the same peak HP on a given engine +/- some reasonable margin.
What I find unreasonable are people who say that Haltech's blow engines while providing absolutely no context or supporting evidence for their statement.
What has become quite plainly obvious is that, there are no issues, otherwise we would have herd of them by now. Since these people go to such lengths to state that they have issues with Haltech, the least they can do is elaborate on what they are and give examples of it, for the benifit of us all.
quantifiable is a word that many microtech promoters and supporters seem to not understand? And I repeat hobby club car racing is far removed from the world of Proffesional mototr sports. If you want quatifiable statistics I will bombard you with them, suffice it to say that when you analyse all the Professional racing series in Australia and Overseas the ratio of top level ECU's (Motec/Autronic/Haltech) compared to Microtech is in the region of 2000:1 or greater, not to mention that brands like Autronic were winning races like Pikes Peak to Bathurst at the time microtech were getting to grips with screw drivers to calibrate their EFI computer !
The problem with many Australians is that they think the sun shines out of their ****, and because they are sucessfull in a sport where they fastest cars in that form of racing use mechanical injection and ancient technology they believe that their systems deserve respect and worship, they deserve neither ! In the grand scheme of things you are a nobody compared to professional that have multi million dollar budgets. Of these Professionals none of them choose to run microtech, why????? Because their are no quantifiable benifits technically. Sure they are cheap, they do the job, but in that choosen form of racing a carby or mechanical injection ALSO do the job !
It looks as though we cannot have a mature discussion on this topic because Anthony and his supporters will always get offended if people such as myself & others do not side with their views, not only that if we dare question anything or ask for more information then they feel the need to "attack the messanger", it shows that there does seem to be no real technical based help/learning attitude on here by some members.
To answer cement, The reason I have a few posts up here is that I have been on this form for almost 2 years, helping people and doing "real" work at the same time, go see my posts if you think I just come on to talk trash, far from it. Though it seems that if you see me not following a certain line you chime in with your 2 dollar opinion. And Anthony I spent a long ******* time on the phone talking to you, not because I love you ! But to sort out some form of compromise as to the way things were going in previous threads, and for what ? To have you again ridicule me and many others like me saying that we are no bodys and will never be a threat, sure man if that is your style then so be it. I will continue to be on here as I have before, wanting to learn, asking questions, and giving advice and helping people as I have here for two years and years before that, and continue to do in real life, far from a "key basher" as some f*ckwits like to call it !
People are just on here to learn, learn what is best, they do not want attitudes or false statements or part truths, my language is not the best at times and I get misunderstood at the best of times and people take things personally especially when they make a living of the product they come on here to promote. As I said man, I do not hate your product, especially since I make money of it too !!!! It has its place. I still think facts are where the truth lies, and when people search for the facts they will find the real answers.
PS: If microtech make an equivalent product to the other three and it is cheaper then I will buy it, as anybody would.
Peace, I hope you understand the post
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$2 opinion hey Rice
well now you have decided too make this personal now its my turn
ok for starters in the "grand scheme" of things you are a nobody continually attacking a somebody even though you use different words your still doing it in a round-a-bout way ,just because you post on a forum and provide information does'nt give you the right to do this ,i don't know how your mind operates but i would never put down someone that has achieved more then i have ,you look like a fool in my eyes and anyone that has any kind of common sense which leads me into your future rotary business
for a business to be successful you need customers Rice ,where do you plan on getting this important ingredient from ,why do Canberra guys feel the need to travel for their rotary needs when they have a "post *****" in their own backyard ,you may be a legend on here in some peoples eyes but you definitely don't hold the same legendary status here in Australia or in Canberra, considering this is where you live one would expect too be hearing of miracles being performed by such a "post *****" but im yet too hear of even one ,i can only imagine what you will be like in business IF you get any customers through the door slagging off at all and sundry ,you only have to look at your previous efforts and the current going's on in the Ausrotary.com forum airing your dirty laundry for all too see and actually see the kind of person you really are
just my $2 opinion
well now you have decided too make this personal now its my turn
ok for starters in the "grand scheme" of things you are a nobody continually attacking a somebody even though you use different words your still doing it in a round-a-bout way ,just because you post on a forum and provide information does'nt give you the right to do this ,i don't know how your mind operates but i would never put down someone that has achieved more then i have ,you look like a fool in my eyes and anyone that has any kind of common sense which leads me into your future rotary business
for a business to be successful you need customers Rice ,where do you plan on getting this important ingredient from ,why do Canberra guys feel the need to travel for their rotary needs when they have a "post *****" in their own backyard ,you may be a legend on here in some peoples eyes but you definitely don't hold the same legendary status here in Australia or in Canberra, considering this is where you live one would expect too be hearing of miracles being performed by such a "post *****" but im yet too hear of even one ,i can only imagine what you will be like in business IF you get any customers through the door slagging off at all and sundry ,you only have to look at your previous efforts and the current going's on in the Ausrotary.com forum airing your dirty laundry for all too see and actually see the kind of person you really are
just my $2 opinion
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You know my heart beats autronic but microtech ran one of my customers ser4 rx7 rally cars for over 4 years without losing an engine. 1st place P4 clubman for 2 years running and 3rd place outright NSW rally championship 2000. O.K, we have moved on to an evo2 lancer with autronic smc and took the 2001 NSW rally championship outright win, but that old two box digi did the job for a lot of years (All the while with me complaining and asking him to upgrade !!!! :') )
Chris
Chris
[i]I know we are recognised in drag racing, but someone should tell our circuit racers that are leading their championships that they are no use for circuit racing.
Only paranoia could mislead this post as a discredit on Haltech or Hitman. You figure it out!
Regards-Anthony [/B]
Only paranoia could mislead this post as a discredit on Haltech or Hitman. You figure it out!
Regards-Anthony [/B]
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
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From: lebanon
Originally posted by cement
$2 opinion hey Rice
well now you have decided too make this personal now its my turn
ok for starters in the "grand scheme" of things you are a nobody continually attacking a somebody even though you use different words your still doing it in a round-a-bout way ,just because you post on a forum and provide information does'nt give you the right to do this ,i don't know how your mind operates but i would never put down someone that has achieved more then i have ,you look like a fool in my eyes and anyone that has any kind of common sense which leads me into your future rotary business
for a business to be successful you need customers Rice ,where do you plan on getting this important ingredient from ,why do Canberra guys feel the need to travel for their rotary needs when they have a "post *****" in their own backyard ,you may be a legend on here in some peoples eyes but you definitely don't hold the same legendary status here in Australia or in Canberra, considering this is where you live one would expect too be hearing of miracles being performed by such a "post *****" but im yet too hear of even one ,i can only imagine what you will be like in business IF you get any customers through the door slagging off at all and sundry ,you only have to look at your previous efforts and the current going's on in the Ausrotary.com forum airing your dirty laundry for all too see and actually see the kind of person you really are
just my $2 opinion
$2 opinion hey Rice
well now you have decided too make this personal now its my turn
ok for starters in the "grand scheme" of things you are a nobody continually attacking a somebody even though you use different words your still doing it in a round-a-bout way ,just because you post on a forum and provide information does'nt give you the right to do this ,i don't know how your mind operates but i would never put down someone that has achieved more then i have ,you look like a fool in my eyes and anyone that has any kind of common sense which leads me into your future rotary business
for a business to be successful you need customers Rice ,where do you plan on getting this important ingredient from ,why do Canberra guys feel the need to travel for their rotary needs when they have a "post *****" in their own backyard ,you may be a legend on here in some peoples eyes but you definitely don't hold the same legendary status here in Australia or in Canberra, considering this is where you live one would expect too be hearing of miracles being performed by such a "post *****" but im yet too hear of even one ,i can only imagine what you will be like in business IF you get any customers through the door slagging off at all and sundry ,you only have to look at your previous efforts and the current going's on in the Ausrotary.com forum airing your dirty laundry for all too see and actually see the kind of person you really are
just my $2 opinion
Keep on trying to kill the messanger when the facts go against you. nice style exibited for all to see. Again post facts or f*ck off, groupies are of no use to this forum or any for that matter, I may no be the best at making friends with my peers but that is not my ambition, my ambition is to learn and give honest advice & good service, despite your and others deragatory remarks to discredit me, I will continue on you or Anthony or any person will not stop real meainfull questions being posted, it this offends you then bad luck, get over it.
Waiting for your next personal attack, as that seems to be your only skill, I am sure others are seeing it this way too.
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From: Lebanon
You MICROTECH guys are bitches ! I have been waiting 2 days and longer for facts and no one has posted ****. What a **** bunch of representatives, for ***** sake. All you poofters can do is bring down people who talk the truth.
Cement you are a true moron of the highest order.
As I see it MICROTECH are trying to silence all it opponents, **** that ! Either accept the short comings of your units or get lost from this forum ! All we want to know is the truth about your systems NOT WHAT YOU THINK OF OTHER PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TELL US THE FACTS IF YOU HAVE ANY IN REGARDS TO YOUR SYSTEMS OR THE SHORT COMINGS OF OTHERS< DO NOT RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS CAUSE YOUR SYSTEMS ARE NOT WHAT YOU PROMOTE THEM TO BE. IF ALL YOU CAN DO IS ATTACK HITMAN AND THE LIKES THEN IT DOES NOT SAY MUCH FOR YOUR UNITS IF YOU CANNOT BACK UP ANY TECHNICAL CONCERNS PEOPLE HAVE>>>>LIKE IGNITION SCATTER???? WTF IS THAT ALL ABOUT< SOUNDS LIKE A CHEAP *** SYSTEM.
Cement you are a true moron of the highest order.
As I see it MICROTECH are trying to silence all it opponents, **** that ! Either accept the short comings of your units or get lost from this forum ! All we want to know is the truth about your systems NOT WHAT YOU THINK OF OTHER PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TELL US THE FACTS IF YOU HAVE ANY IN REGARDS TO YOUR SYSTEMS OR THE SHORT COMINGS OF OTHERS< DO NOT RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS CAUSE YOUR SYSTEMS ARE NOT WHAT YOU PROMOTE THEM TO BE. IF ALL YOU CAN DO IS ATTACK HITMAN AND THE LIKES THEN IT DOES NOT SAY MUCH FOR YOUR UNITS IF YOU CANNOT BACK UP ANY TECHNICAL CONCERNS PEOPLE HAVE>>>>LIKE IGNITION SCATTER???? WTF IS THAT ALL ABOUT< SOUNDS LIKE A CHEAP *** SYSTEM.
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I think we all need to calm down. Yet again, the Microtech vs any ECU has degenerated into name calling.
1. Microtech is good for what is does. Its an entry level ECU aimed at a specific market and it covers its market well but lacks the refinement and features of higher level ECUs.
2. Haltech/Mootec/Autistic are good at what they do. They are a top end ECU aimed at the higher end user and it does the job well. Not everyone can afford them, but those that do are normally happy but every now and then you get an unhappy customer.
3. Skoda are good at what they do. They are an entry level automotive manufacturer and they cover their market pretty well but lack the refinement and features of higher level cars.
4. BMW are good at what they do. They are a top end automotive manufacturer that are aimed at a specific market and they do it well. Not everyone can afford them, but those that do are normally happy but every now and then you get an unhappy customer.
Hopefully everyone understands the analogy....
1. Microtech is good for what is does. Its an entry level ECU aimed at a specific market and it covers its market well but lacks the refinement and features of higher level ECUs.
2. Haltech/Mootec/Autistic are good at what they do. They are a top end ECU aimed at the higher end user and it does the job well. Not everyone can afford them, but those that do are normally happy but every now and then you get an unhappy customer.
3. Skoda are good at what they do. They are an entry level automotive manufacturer and they cover their market pretty well but lack the refinement and features of higher level cars.
4. BMW are good at what they do. They are a top end automotive manufacturer that are aimed at a specific market and they do it well. Not everyone can afford them, but those that do are normally happy but every now and then you get an unhappy customer.
Hopefully everyone understands the analogy....
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From: aust
ok looks like i should clarify some matters for a few of the slower ones that visit this forum ,i have at no point said i run Microtech ,sell Microtech etc etc ,in fact the only ECU i have used to date is a Haltech unit which i had no complaints from
if you read my posts my replies have nothing to do with ECU's directly ,go read them again and maybe you will see the point im trying to put across
AJC13B should you be elevating the Haltech units to the level you have by including Haltech along side Autronic and Motec ???? could be a bit of personal preference clouding your judgement i think
if you read my posts my replies have nothing to do with ECU's directly ,go read them again and maybe you will see the point im trying to put across
AJC13B should you be elevating the Haltech units to the level you have by including Haltech along side Autronic and Motec ???? could be a bit of personal preference clouding your judgement i think
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peace guys
Peace guys
Let him go, it is his choice.
Chris
[i],i have at no point said i run Microtech ,sell Microtech etc etc ,in fact the only ECU i have used to date is a Haltech unit which i had no complaints from
Yes, an old F3 haltech in fact. One of the first turbo rotaries in the country.
AJC13B should you be elevating the Haltech units to the level you have by including Haltech along side Autronic and Motec ???? could be a bit of personal preference clouding your judgement i think [/B]
Yes, an old F3 haltech in fact. One of the first turbo rotaries in the country.
AJC13B should you be elevating the Haltech units to the level you have by including Haltech along side Autronic and Motec ???? could be a bit of personal preference clouding your judgement i think [/B]
Chris
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AJC,
we keep on hearing about this so called super ecu, how bout some facts, what does it do etc??
as for the comment that it will surpass everything out there, that is a big call but i dont think it will surpass EVERYTHING out there, otherwise they would have F1 teams knocking on there door, and i dont think that will ever happen........
we keep on hearing about this so called super ecu, how bout some facts, what does it do etc??
as for the comment that it will surpass everything out there, that is a big call but i dont think it will surpass EVERYTHING out there, otherwise they would have F1 teams knocking on there door, and i dont think that will ever happen........
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well i for one am looking forward to the release of the new Haltech unit and hopefully it will have fresh idea's so it will push the other competitors along and at the end of the day this benefits all of us ,if its just a rehash or copy of others ideas this may be a move forward for Haltech only
i know of another success story for Microtech to add ,a certain red Haltech controlled RX7 came to town to race and was sent home with its tail between its legs after it was smoked run after run by a silver Microtech controlled RX7 with a much lesser set up lol
remember that night AJC
i know of another success story for Microtech to add ,a certain red Haltech controlled RX7 came to town to race and was sent home with its tail between its legs after it was smoked run after run by a silver Microtech controlled RX7 with a much lesser set up lol
remember that night AJC
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haltech ???
Haltech had it all in the late eighties and for some reason gave it all away. Why ?. I dont know. They are playing catchup. Also bear in mind that they may be about to take a big step, but the other manufacturers wont be far behind.
Originally posted by AJC13B
Well it will run a quad rotor with its eyes closed.
As for the F1 comment, you never know what might happen
Well it will run a quad rotor with its eyes closed.
As for the F1 comment, you never know what might happen
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racing successes are not solely the result of the ECU. Alot of comparisons of one ECU beating another in a drag race. Was there a driver in each of these cars? Alot has been said that drag racing is easy to tune for and simply a battle of horsepower. I am not a drag racer, but I have worked with some in the past, and engine power is not the only part of the car these guys work on. as with all race cars HP does not guarantee you a win. I regularly finish ahead of higher powered cars. Suspension setup(even on drag cars) and a drivers ability are even more criticle to success on the track. ECU performance and results don't really mean anything in the real world. results do help promote products, but they don't guarantee it will work for everyone or perform as well as another brand.
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Originally posted by microwreck
You MICROTECH guys are bitches ! I have been waiting 2 days and longer for facts and no one has posted ****. What a **** bunch of representatives, for ***** sake. All you poofters can do is bring down people who talk the truth.
Cement you are a true moron of the highest order.
As I see it MICROTECH are trying to silence all it opponents, **** that ! Either accept the short comings of your units or get lost from this forum ! All we want to know is the truth about your systems NOT WHAT YOU THINK OF OTHER PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TELL US THE FACTS IF YOU HAVE ANY IN REGARDS TO YOUR SYSTEMS OR THE SHORT COMINGS OF OTHERS< DO NOT RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS CAUSE YOUR SYSTEMS ARE NOT WHAT YOU PROMOTE THEM TO BE. IF ALL YOU CAN DO IS ATTACK HITMAN AND THE LIKES THEN IT DOES NOT SAY MUCH FOR YOUR UNITS IF YOU CANNOT BACK UP ANY TECHNICAL CONCERNS PEOPLE HAVE>>>>LIKE IGNITION SCATTER???? WTF IS THAT ALL ABOUT< SOUNDS LIKE A CHEAP *** SYSTEM.
You MICROTECH guys are bitches ! I have been waiting 2 days and longer for facts and no one has posted ****. What a **** bunch of representatives, for ***** sake. All you poofters can do is bring down people who talk the truth.
Cement you are a true moron of the highest order.
As I see it MICROTECH are trying to silence all it opponents, **** that ! Either accept the short comings of your units or get lost from this forum ! All we want to know is the truth about your systems NOT WHAT YOU THINK OF OTHER PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TELL US THE FACTS IF YOU HAVE ANY IN REGARDS TO YOUR SYSTEMS OR THE SHORT COMINGS OF OTHERS< DO NOT RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS CAUSE YOUR SYSTEMS ARE NOT WHAT YOU PROMOTE THEM TO BE. IF ALL YOU CAN DO IS ATTACK HITMAN AND THE LIKES THEN IT DOES NOT SAY MUCH FOR YOUR UNITS IF YOU CANNOT BACK UP ANY TECHNICAL CONCERNS PEOPLE HAVE>>>>LIKE IGNITION SCATTER???? WTF IS THAT ALL ABOUT< SOUNDS LIKE A CHEAP *** SYSTEM.
Wow dude. You showed all of your 10 years of age on this one.
I will agree that in the earlier posts of this thread I made some comments on haltechs unreliability with rotaries without any factual evidence. It was more an explanation of what I had experienced and what I had deduced by speaking to many other tuners here in the east and west coast.
Dude you need to chill out and grow up a bit. Please point out where I've personally attacked anyone or insulted them in any way on this thread or any other for that matter.
Hey, where did my $$$ go?
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From: Bimingham, AL
I have a totally unbiast opinion here. I dont and never have run any of these computers I have a Power FC.....which I'm sure no one in here likes haha
My view of this thread doesnt have anything to do with the subject but rather the thread itself. EVERYONE here is guilty of bashing the other side and saying who is best. The major Microtech tuners like Anthony never said Micro was better than Haltech or any other computer so what does he need to prove and answer??? Some of you Haltech guys have acted pretty bad, I see you guys bashing just as much or maybe more!!!!! Everyone has thrown thier share of mud and its really a disgrace considering the level of knowledge from all you guys. If you all feel the need to type so damn much start a post about how to tune and all the "black art" secrets of tuning a rotary cause I know there are alot of secrets. Start a good tech thread on port designs or finding extra power with certain timing split. There are about 18500 peope on this forum that would benifit from something like that. NO ONE IS LEARNING ANYTHING FROM THIS THREAD!!!!!!
I guess what I'm trying to say is stop bashing eachother and start working together and combining your experiences and knowledge to help others that need it......like me!!!!!
One thing that the non professional (I'm refering to people that are not making a living off this stuff) folks need to understand is that the prof tuners like Anthony and Hitman are probably not going to trash eachothers ecu in public. Anthony took some heat about asking Hitman to call him but you guys need to see things from thier view as well. I would never come on here and trash my employer or competitor. Would you??? What if it ment you might loose your job over it??? These guys I'm sure care about helping everyone and prob wish they could just let loose and talk but they are not going to jepordize thier livelyhood over this.....I know I never would. They are not just some guys posting on a forum with nothing to loose. Its not a hobbie for them. This forum has almost 19K members and they have alot to loose from a business standpoint. We should respect that as we are lucky they even come here to discuss things in the first place. To be quite honest if I were running a large business I dont know that I would want to be involved much with posting on the forum because of the politics, bashing and criticizing that goes on here. It can destory a business that has the best of intentions in a heart beat!!!!
I for one would love to see you guys like Hitman and Anthony around the forums more helping people whenever you can. The tech sections can always use more people. There aren't too many people on the forum that REALLY know how to tune a rotary.....that will help other anyway. I know Rice does, he has given me advice on numerous occasions over the years (thanks Rice ) We need some more of that!!!
OK, I'm done
STEPHEN
My view of this thread doesnt have anything to do with the subject but rather the thread itself. EVERYONE here is guilty of bashing the other side and saying who is best. The major Microtech tuners like Anthony never said Micro was better than Haltech or any other computer so what does he need to prove and answer??? Some of you Haltech guys have acted pretty bad, I see you guys bashing just as much or maybe more!!!!! Everyone has thrown thier share of mud and its really a disgrace considering the level of knowledge from all you guys. If you all feel the need to type so damn much start a post about how to tune and all the "black art" secrets of tuning a rotary cause I know there are alot of secrets. Start a good tech thread on port designs or finding extra power with certain timing split. There are about 18500 peope on this forum that would benifit from something like that. NO ONE IS LEARNING ANYTHING FROM THIS THREAD!!!!!!
I guess what I'm trying to say is stop bashing eachother and start working together and combining your experiences and knowledge to help others that need it......like me!!!!!
One thing that the non professional (I'm refering to people that are not making a living off this stuff) folks need to understand is that the prof tuners like Anthony and Hitman are probably not going to trash eachothers ecu in public. Anthony took some heat about asking Hitman to call him but you guys need to see things from thier view as well. I would never come on here and trash my employer or competitor. Would you??? What if it ment you might loose your job over it??? These guys I'm sure care about helping everyone and prob wish they could just let loose and talk but they are not going to jepordize thier livelyhood over this.....I know I never would. They are not just some guys posting on a forum with nothing to loose. Its not a hobbie for them. This forum has almost 19K members and they have alot to loose from a business standpoint. We should respect that as we are lucky they even come here to discuss things in the first place. To be quite honest if I were running a large business I dont know that I would want to be involved much with posting on the forum because of the politics, bashing and criticizing that goes on here. It can destory a business that has the best of intentions in a heart beat!!!!
I for one would love to see you guys like Hitman and Anthony around the forums more helping people whenever you can. The tech sections can always use more people. There aren't too many people on the forum that REALLY know how to tune a rotary.....that will help other anyway. I know Rice does, he has given me advice on numerous occasions over the years (thanks Rice
) We need some more of that!!!OK, I'm done
STEPHEN
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From: Sydney, Australia
Originally posted by cement
well i for one am looking forward to the release of the new Haltech unit and hopefully it will have fresh idea's so it will push the other competitors along and at the end of the day this benefits all of us ,if its just a rehash or copy of others ideas this may be a move forward for Haltech only
i know of another success story for Microtech to add ,a certain red Haltech controlled RX7 came to town to race and was sent home with its tail between its legs after it was smoked run after run by a silver Microtech controlled RX7 with a much lesser set up lol
remember that night AJC
well i for one am looking forward to the release of the new Haltech unit and hopefully it will have fresh idea's so it will push the other competitors along and at the end of the day this benefits all of us ,if its just a rehash or copy of others ideas this may be a move forward for Haltech only
i know of another success story for Microtech to add ,a certain red Haltech controlled RX7 came to town to race and was sent home with its tail between its legs after it was smoked run after run by a silver Microtech controlled RX7 with a much lesser set up lol
remember that night AJC
You also failed to mention a certain blue Haltech controlled RX3 that came to the same town and beat everything that tried, including the aforementioned silver RX7. Its the little details isn't it....
Back on topic...the new Haltech has features other ECUs only dream of and a level of tunability unseen to date in anything this side of F1
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From: aust
well said SPO but as far as everyone getting on i don't think it will ever happen ,while ever people post on here and show no respect to other ECU's its going to go on and on ,your talking of a perfect world ,we don't live in one
im still yet too see someone running a Haltech down saying its cheap and nasty and im talking purely from an Australian point of view here AJC ,i wish i could say others have been this diplomatic with their comments on the Microtech
as i have said in earlier posts we are all individuals and have choice in what ECU we choose to run ,so why do people feel the need to come on here and slag off at other brands ??? this is beyond me ,is it jealousy ,ignorance or have some of the ECU makers included a frontal labotomy in the purchase price ??
i am about to start a project and as far as my choice of ECU i would have no hesitation in using either a Haltech or Microtech but unfortunately for my hip pocket the engine tuner that will be looking after that department has expensive tastes so i have to keep him happy
AJC if you want to pm me about the other stuff feel free to do so
im still yet too see someone running a Haltech down saying its cheap and nasty and im talking purely from an Australian point of view here AJC ,i wish i could say others have been this diplomatic with their comments on the Microtech
as i have said in earlier posts we are all individuals and have choice in what ECU we choose to run ,so why do people feel the need to come on here and slag off at other brands ??? this is beyond me ,is it jealousy ,ignorance or have some of the ECU makers included a frontal labotomy in the purchase price ??
i am about to start a project and as far as my choice of ECU i would have no hesitation in using either a Haltech or Microtech but unfortunately for my hip pocket the engine tuner that will be looking after that department has expensive tastes so i have to keep him happy
AJC if you want to pm me about the other stuff feel free to do so