Stephen thanx


I will continue to help people, as I have for years. In real life (despite what cement thinks of me) and online.

So long as rotaries are around I will be too

 

I have great respect for Haltech's tech guys, but i think we need to look at Zytech before making such statements. Still if it is that good maybe i might jump ship. Haltech#1 ?

Chris

 

Ted,NZ,Rice and few others who have repsoned are road racers

But let me tell you Import Drag Racing is HUGE now in the states and this has a tremendes effect on the "street" The Major Mags DO NOT cover road racing
exclusivly DRAG RACING

Succesful products used in Drag Racing turn up
being sold to street cars

and quess what? when you line up at a light
and a Z28 challenges you
That is DRAG RACING

When you go to a Sat hang out and go to a deserted
street..That Is DRAG RACING


Cmon I WOULD LOVE to see ANY of you have the ***** and $$$
to challenge Marcos...LoL

 

Sory thats zytec.

Chris

 

I'll challenge Marcos. What in? Marbles? Chess? Scrabble?

And what would the point of your contest be Kabooski? What would any of us challenging MVA prove? What a big man he or you is? Laying the smack down on a bunch of normal guys just shooting the **** when compared to his 1755hp monstor quad rotor? Yeah, great challenge, tool. How about MVA runs 7.13 or quicker? Now theres a challenge I can't wait to see! I sincerely hope he does it as well! I will be one of the first to contragulate him too....

Jesus you come out with some stupid **** sometimes Kabooski...

 

Perhaps I’ll make the point again, since everyone seems to have missed it. Tuning a drag engine involves completely different priorities to tuning a street engine. How often does a drag racer cruise along in traffic at 80km/h in 5th, and then floor it? What about just general low-speed, light-throttle driving? These are things a street car has to regularly do, as well as having good WOT power. I’m sure the MicroTech does these things very well, but the Haltech’s specs allow it to do them better. Some people are happy to accept the lesser abilities of the MicroTech, pocket the savings and cruise around in a car run by a very good ECU. Others are prepared to spend the extra money knowing they’re getting a product that will do the job even better.
It’s pointless arguing about the abilities of ECU’s in a situation where a carb could do nearly as well! Let’s hear some other reasons to use either system instead of constantly prattling on about peak hp figures and timeslips!

 

AJC13B
Cmon fine your 10 sec FB no match...then bring the FASTEST Haltech equipped car you have In Ozz

Oh thats right! The Fastest in Ozz choose's MT

I'm a "street" Drag Racer
So does Drag racing products and technics apply to me
you F'ing know it does

So I hate it when you Road Racers
come onto this debate saying Drag Racing has little
to do with anything

It has everything to do with it
Drag Racing has a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY Larger following
Larger Coverage etc etc
Drag Racers(street or Strip) Buy more EFi units then
you slow *** Road Racers

So don't come here slamming Drag Racers

BTW I have a E6K
But I respect MT it has a very large proven record

 

Dude, relax. You’re letting your imagination run away with you.
No one said “drag racing has little to do with anything”. What’s been said is drag racing engines don’t require very accurate tuning other than at WOT. Do you dispute this?
No one is slamming drag racers either. Dunno where you got that.
Let’s try and keep this a civil technical discussion. Then it might actually be useful!

 

Kabooski - Once again I point to my comment suggesting you talk alot of ****.

The entire above post confirms this comment.

I suggest you read my post again, then read your reply, and have a good long hard think about it.

If you can come up sith something that relates to my post, type it up and post it on here.

If you can't come up with anything that relates to my post, I suggest you open Microsoft Word and type out your thoughts. Print the document. Roll up the sheet of paper into a cone shape and insert the pointy end where ever you feel necessary.

 

Thats a bloody good question, there are no quick pro street rotors here in Aus using a Haltec 90% using Microtech, a few with EMS and a few with Autronic and Motec , i know there is a green datto 1200 ute that runs one and it run 8.99 and thats the fastest,
the top 10 list on fullboost

1 Archie Kajewski S6 RX7 20B 7.880 170.07 Microtech
2 Joe Signorelli S6 RX7 20B 7.881 172.44 EMS
3 Grant Williams S4 RX7 13B 7.940 170.26 Mechinacial
4 Rocky Reyham RX3 - 20B 8.020 174.60 Microtech
5 Craig Dyson S4 RX7 13B 8.132 169.89 Microtech
6 Anthony Rodrigeus S6 RX7 13B 8.18 162.88 Microtech
7 N.S.W. Joe Signorelli R100 20B 8.23 164 EMS
8 N.S.W Andrew Maratos RX3 20B 8.49 161.9 Microtech
9 VIC Chris Dalton R100 13B 8.523 159.63 Microtech
10 W.A. Terry Stacey S2 RX7 13B 8.60 165 Microtech

Untubbed
1 Paul Murray RX3 13B 9.02 159 Autronic
2 Kassam Jaafar RX3 20B 9.04 152 Microtech
3 Kevin Awadson 929 20B 9.31 147 Microtech
4 Phil Aremenko S1 RX7 13B 9.36 150 Microtech
5 Tony Khoury RX3 13B 9.42 143 Microtech
6 Joe Corolla KE20 13B 9.51 140 EMS
7 Vlad Berak 808 13B 9.63 147 Webber
8 Andrew Dyson 323 13B 9.70 147 Microtech
9 Elia Hajjar RX3 13B 9.74 137 Microtech
10 Vito Citera RX4 Coupe 13B 9.79 141 Microtech

That speeks for itself in the drag racing not one of the top runners use Haltec and only 1 4cyl uses in to the 8sec bracket.

 

And that proves what? it proves exactly what NZ Convertable is trying you get across to some of you's

I notice WEBER in there, i'd like to see how streetable that set up would be and just how good it would be at cruising along in city traffic or sitting on 100kph for a couple of hours on the open road in 5th gear.

The more money you pay, the smoother driveability you can have. Peak HP will not change unless the ecu is a total dog, in which case it may be a wolf........ j/k

More load points = more precision, more precision = smoother driving under greater circumstances.

fineto

 

Australia = no where in the grand scheme of things in terms of drag racing.

Guys in PR have run the numbers for years that Australia is only NOW starting to get to and most only dream of. And what did PR run all the numbers with? Haltech. Not a ******* Microtech to be seen. Anywhere. THAT speaks for itself.

When you all realise that the Micortech is an INFERIOR product to the Haltech, will this debate end. The same way a Lada is INFERIOR to BMW, Microtech is INFERIOR to Haltech.

They are 2 different ends of the spectrum.

Only when ALL of the above can be answered to with YES, will the Microtech be considered an equal. And by the time that happens, the ECU after the E11 will be out and the goal posts will have moved again and Microtech will be playing catch up, yet again.

I know for a fact Anthony knows the score, only when the rest of you realise this, will these debates end.

 

Steve with a smartass reply like that it is never going to end,

Purto rico loved there haltechs now they have moved on and gone faster so get over it!!

 

Which part was me being a smart ****? All facts mate.

And who has gone faster? Siguel and.... ?

I would put more money on development of the car itself than the ECU accounting for any improvements in ET...

 

I think you gentlemen are forgetting what the term EMS stands for. Engine Management System. Now, and Engine Management system has 1 Purpose in its creation, to totally control the fuel injection and ignition (AKA making the engine perform to the best of its potential). A road racing tuned engine should be any different tunning wise. they should be tuned to get the max power than can safely be pulled from the engine. Whats the big deal if you drag race or not? If your a road racer do you not want the max hp your engine can pull? The point is, if you have a greatly tuned drag with XXXX ems system, Why in the hell couldnt that same EMS system perform well on a drag car? Tuning goes as far as the tuner goes. Type of racing makes no difference...


Another ??? Why do you people get so bent out of shape if someone does not like your ems? Is it that dear to you to get all hot and bothered and start talking like street vandals?

 

Sorry Guys!
PUERTO RICO'S NUMBER ONE, SIGUEL TORRES USES MICROTECH MTX 12.
Only stating facts no longer interested in the running comedy.
Regards-Anthony Rodrigues

 

Hold on
When it comes to Pro Drag Racers
in Ozz(for example)They choose MT cause it cheap?$
They spend BIG $$$ making those cars
so when it comes to a EMS they want the lowest cost ECU...I don't think so

If the MOTEC or Haltech was a superioir product
they would use it, cost is no isssue!
clearly the MT has something they like

You guys keep saying driveability
damm I suscribe to autospeed.com.au
and most of the "street" cars I read articles on use MT

My Friend has a TII who just had the MTX-8 installed and tuned by "Rolo" of Sebone speed shop
here in Orlando
and the Car runs awesome
no idle problems
no starting problems
no excessive running rich at idle

clearly you guys are stuck on what EMS you own
and the EMS groups (yahoo.groups)

I keep an open mind to all EMS's even tho I own a Haltech..It was thanks to a few years ago
after reading fullboost that I discovered this Microtech
since EVERY CAR was using a MT
I took an interest and read alot about it
and Loved it
But at the time I bought my E6K, there was no one here
that could tune a MT..so I chose Haltech
Thanks to the effort of Anthony this is starting to change


Flaco tried using a 3-rotor and the car kept going blowing up with a Big Bucks Motec
yet a same 3 rotor with a MT...No blow up(Siguel)
and don't say it's cause of tunning
flaco has access to the world's best Motec tuners

 

with a decent ecu you can tune for cruising economy with correct mictures for max power as well - the beauty of a programmable system - its a bit more flexible than a carby. 0.008ms resolution is very fine which is great for getting nice cruise mixtures and emmisions as well as better accuracy right across the board.

BTW Autronic#1 have you any info on Autronic ecu for rotary use - I want to have a trailing split and use standard multitooth trigger - does smc support this or only sm2?

 

Yes sir, you want an sm2 firmware V1.48 or 1.49. Also i suggest yu buy the excellent 4 channel CDI. I have not done a lot of rotors with autronic, but those that i have had very good mid rang torque amd very good driveability compared with other brands i have tuned on rotors. I dont want to start a war here, this is simply my observation. Contact me at p76v8@yahoo.com if you want to talk money.

Chris

 

>If the MOTEC or Haltech was a superioir product
>they would use it, cost is no isssue!
>clearly the MT has something they like

I have been reading this thread and having abit of a laugh at everyone asking for MT series stats but no stats are being posted.. why? Simple, what the Microtech can do compared to a Motec/Haltech back to back is not comparable overall.

I didn't feel the need to add my views to anything so far until Kabooski posted this and I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

For starters sponsorship and cheap prices has alot to do with the drag racers here using Microtech and it has some advantages as far as being able to make quick changes as metioned earlier in the thread

BUT...

Trying to say that a MOTEC M800 or any MOTEC ECU is not a superior product to a any Microtech ever made is beyond a joke. Im lucky enough to be able to type www.motec.com into my web browser and read the stats for myself to see which product offers 100x more features and advantages. When/If Microtech have a web site that shows all of the stats of their systems, the better it will be for everyone.

Until then go here and have a read http://www.motec.com.au/m800io.htm

Come back and tell me when Microtech produce a system that can do all of this and I'll start using one. Im not saying Microtech's are bad, but saying they are a superior product to a Motec is plain stupid.

 

Remember john laws flyspray adds. "when you are on a good thing stick with it" And "When you find a better thing switch to it"

Makes me wonder.

Chris

 

Yeah the fact that Microtech is being used on the front runners is largely a sponsorship/marketing thing - what winson sunday sells on monday etc with a lot of users owning workshops etc. It is a simple system to use, but I have seen plaenty of problems from wiping all maps when handset left plugged in to settings altering themselves - these were on old digi units. I cannot speak for the new units. I have been an advocate for WOLF in the past as an alternative to Microtech in that price bracket - however have lost faith in its ignition control side - inconsistencies between 2 ecus`s, interference.
Both of these examples of low end ecu`s suit the average person who wants to control an import engine or wants simple use for performance applications.
However I want and recommend to customers, to spend the extra money and buy a more advanced ecu - I want the resolution in mapping to give good cruise mixtures, throttle response, idle and economy as well as control for maximum power - usually on engines with large injectors etc. I also want resolution in ignition control, but also stable ignition - no cross firing or shifting timing. It is here that a lot of engine losses can be caused especially in high output turbo applications - a few degrees or leading firing before trailing at full noise can be enough to cause detonation and breakages.
The person(s) tuning have a lot to do with end result - someone who knows a system inside out may get better results than someone who is unfamiliar with a system. And manufacturer support, training and tech assistance is also something I want from a system.

The End

 

Ok it's one thing when you try to show the advantages of MOTEC or any other ECU on "paper"
It's a WHOLE OTHER STORY when it comes to hard won real world facts

Thats where you high price EMS lovers get your ***'s spanked plain and simple

Pro's spend over 50K building there cars
you really think they then cheap out for a low buck EMS?
no sir that is stupid

show me real world examples
Don't try to show me all the bell and whistles a particuler
EMS has on paper....

 

Jesus Kabooski, you just don't get it do you!?

I am at a loss for words over your post, I am not even going to bother....

 

Hey Anthony!

Would you put Siguels massive improvement from 7.33 to 7.13 down to ECU tuning or chassis improvment/development?

And yes, PR is number one. People like Kabooski need to realise just how far behind we are down here. I have heard alot of people down here say that you can't compare Australia and PR because the cars are different. No they aren't, its just the PR guys are willing to spend the coin to run the numbers and to date no one down here has.

Jamboree this year will be a turning point though, with the new Pac car, Dalton car and maybe Corey Armstrongs rail putting it to the best in PR and the US

You going to Jamboree Anthony? Taking any cars?