Anthony Rodrigues

Well said Greg,
I am sure Ari doesnt even know about this b/s being thrown about let alone have an answer for it.
I would dearly like to know WTF is this Hollywood approach and in whose dreams it was invented.
As for Microtech being a poors mans solution, young persons easy access solution, drag racers only system(given that drag racers cant tune), poor resolution, poor idle, 2 dimensional, Maztec & Pac users only (obviously a substandard of the human race type people), I can only thank you for not wanting to flame or offend anybody.
Take a real look at this whole issue, the comments that have been made and the people that you are all degrading and comparing yourselves too. If you still support what you have written and expect any body to listen "YOU ARE TRULY AN IDIOT". Get off your gravy trains and take a look into the real word.
Flame away guys, I accept that is impossible to argue with fools and will no longer try to do so.
Regards-Anthony
This response was prompted once I arrived home in Aus and decided to read the thread in full. I reccomend you do so and try to believe the claims made about significant people by absolute non achievers and the humour is that they actually believe it themselves.

Anthony Rodrigues

Sorry I forgot to answer in full,
If making a car go faster after you change something is not an edge than what would you care to call it. The only better edge would be competing against closed minded people that could never possibly be of any threat in any kind of motorsports.
Regards- Anthony.
P.S. I did not mean to flame or offend anybody.

AJC13B

So, its decided. We are all going back to webers and points?

MIKE-P-28

iTrader: (1)

Let me know when you do I got a whole parts bin here, Id gladly trade you for some of the NICE items under your hood

NZConvertible

So far, all the posts defending MicroTech have come from drag racers only. Drag racing is totally irrelevant for comparing the complete abilities of ECU’s back-to-back. We’ve already had an admission that drag racers don’t tune for idle, and I doubt they spend too much time tuning for warm-up, part-throttle or transition conditions either. So why would they spend money on a unit that is very good at these areas if it’s not required? On a streetcar (or even a circuit car), things are totally different however. I’m sure tuning for every last hp at WOT takes a lot of skill and knowledge, but this is not the priority away from the strip (at least it shouldn’t be).
So far the pro-Haltech camp has made a good argument that the Haltech is a more capable unit based on it’s superior specs, and pointed out that (if properly tuned), would result in a better running car all-round, not just at WOT. No one’s yet claimed they make your car go faster in a straight line.
On the other hand the pro-MicroTech crowd just keep saying drag racers that’ve switched from Haltech to MicroTech now go faster. No solid argument has been put forth to explain why this is so or why a Haltech is unnecessary. Whatever you think of the unit, you’re doing a sucky job convincing anyone they should pick one over a Haltech.
It’s horses for courses. If I was going aftermarket and could only afford a Microtech, I’d consider getting one, because I know they’re not a bad unit. But if I could afford to choose between a Haltech or a MicroTech, I’d go Haltech without a second thought, because it’s a better unit, perhaps even worth saving a bit longer for. You get what you pay for. Just my opinion.

10sec rx7

There are lots of drag racers on this forum thats why 95% of the replys are from drag racers,
Microtechs are used in cuircut racing down here, The fastest rx7 in series production uses a microtech, was leading the 3 hour show room show down at bathurst till it ran out of fuel at the top of the Mountain. It is a hell of a lot faster than bigger $ teams using there motec's and haltechs.

Bang for Buck the microtech wins hands down, weather you have a street car, drag car, cuircut car you wont get better value for money, ease of install, ease of tuning.

90% of the microtech baggers dont even know the features of the new systems, and you can tell when they write there replys on here.

microwreck

NZconvertible is totaly right.

From everything I have read in this thread it is just plain simple that people praising Microwreck are people who are just plain ignorant to better units and will resort to stupid, mindless tactics to promote what is an inferior product, not only that but continually see themselves as the authorities on all things to do with engine managment systems. Any kid with 20min net experience who can read, can see that Microwreck is a cheap alternative to a real Engine mangment computer.

Anthony Rodrigues sounds like he just cannot accept the truth about the microtech being not near the level of the other units mentioned by HITman.

I would trust HITman over a single brand pusher like Anthony Rodrigues any day

10sec rx7

Typical reply from a typical fu(k wit who dosent have a clue!.

microwreck

I find that type of language quite inapropriate and typical of most narrow minded people of which you have shown yourself to be one my friend.

Seems like Microwreck boys need to resort to this type of behaviour to get their message across?

I will stick with the knowledgable types like HITman thankyou

microwreck

This guy sounds like a he has done his research, I have done mine and Microtech is a poor substitute for at least 3 brands, If I wanted something cheap and easy to use then yeah I would go the low tech path like the so called PRO's Why use something that is low quality (compared to top level alternatives) just cause I or my tunner cannot set it up? Geee I would just take it to an expert like HITman who is interested in giving the best product, not some **** that is sponsored and easy to use at the cost of being less acurate and having less features...

Plain stupid, I think everyone can see that Microwreck is just that a hobby system

10sec rx7

Sounds like you and hitman have a bit of a close relationship,

thats alright by me, i couldnt care less, stick your haltech on your car, at the end of the day i just try and help out the people that ask the questions,

BTW i know Hitman, and i have respect for his work, but there are other people out there that know more than him and can tune just as well and if not better than him,

it also sounds to me like you have something against microtech with that user name of yours.... shows how childish you are.

microwreck

10secRX7, I know of HITman, but am far from his friend.

I have been following alot of what has been going on in regards to ECU's on here and on other forums + talking to many many professional racers, not just from the field of drag racing.

I think rice mentioned it best, most mictrotech users are in a narrow band and realy have a limited view point, to the extent of distorting their sence of reality in hyping up their units, which at best are second rate compared to the pro units. If I was on a budget or had other problems installing or seting up a real world class ECU I would choose microtech too.

10sec rx7

Microwreck,
it seems to me you seem to agree with everything he says weather it is true or not, and i tell you some of it is not true!

People buy microtech's because they are easy to install and easy to tune, that is there market, they just happen to run a mazda rotary engine bloody well,

i tend to ignore what a lot of so called "experts" post about things, espically ecu's cause thay are usually very false, and are generally just keyboard bashers.

I dont run a workshop, i dont build engines for a living, i just leant to ecu through mucking around with them, im telling you some of the people down here that reckon they can tune are full of ****, ive been in some cars that these experts supposedly tuned and they are buckets of crap.

microwreck

10secRX7, I totally agree with you, I too have seen some **** in my time...passed off to be professional when it is far from it.

I remember rice getting alot of **** from everywhere about his views, I did not agree with some of the **** he wrote, but I will tell you one thing..he is pretty right, not very diplomatic but right. And I saw a car he tuned which was tuned by a notable shop who distributes Microtech and he turned it from a pig into a real streatable powerfull car, Pretty ******* funny considering it had a Microtech on it (knowing he does not like them) I did not value his opinion at all untill I saw the job he did on my friends car.

I just want to get the best thing, and find out what is available and what peoples opinions are. I do have the power to pick up what is good and what is better, I am in the market for a top line system and as such price is not realy an issue for me, at the moment I do not hink I would go for the Microtech as there are better solutions available, but am open to new things always.

Regards
Ken

10sec rx7

If you want a top of the line system buy a motec M800 but at over au$3000 they are out of reach of 90% of people, for the $2000 i saved getting a microtech i fitted a huge intercooler, massive fuel system, and 1200cc injectors,
my car drives fine and gets over 400km to a tank on the freeway, and runs 10's on less than 20psi boost, what more do you want.

microwreck

Well, I am realy keen on traction control (Motec & Autronic) I want to be able to control my boost through the ECU (Haltech/Motec/Autronic), I would love to be able to Auto tune (Autronic) as I am the kind of guy how likes to do things on my own, the money I spend is of secondary importance. And I realy want real "good" quality data logging.

I have been looking around and the only systems that have most of my short list of req's are Motec and Autronic, the Autronic being the cheaper alternative, untill I herd of rice I did not think they could run on rotaries? Then I saw zoom with some guy in a blue rx3 that rice mentioned on here (I have been stalking him !) and I contacted JPC and they swear by it.

Select Maz use a lot of the Motec stuff as do others who I have spoken with and they all tell me the same things, as I said for me the diff between 1k & 3K for something that will control the engine with ALL the extra features is a drop in the ocean. I am sure microtech is ok for what it is, but surley cannot be the same or even close to the others always mentioned as it from what I have seen and spoken to with others and gotten them to show me does not compare, which makes sence to me for the price difference?

10sec rx7

The microtech can control boost and the data looging is execlent for the new systems, you can log anything to do with the engine,
i still cant justify the extra $2k,

the smoothest driving mazda i have been in was a MTX8 mocrotech controlled car, ive been in haltechs.

if you want to spend the $3k+ thats your choice,

a good tuned ecu will control the engine fine, 90% of people wouldnt be able to tell the difference between them!

cement

Anthony i think the saying you are looking for to describe some of these people that make some of these posts is

" AN EMPTY VESSEL MAKES THE MOST NOISE "

RICE RACING

What does it take to get some factual info????

So what if MICROTECH ranks 4th 5th or 6th in the ECU tree, who gives a ****, its cheaper than your mother in law, works, and does what most people want. There are far better alternatives, look at real professional racing catagories and you will get a true picture of where MICROTECH fits in the market of the performace car world not just the minature "bubble environment of drag racing".

Every one with above average inteligence can see that there is a distinct pattern emerging with the marketing MICROTECH employ to get a foothold in a new market, it will attract the same people as it does in Australia, & the real proffessionals will continue to use the better spec units available on the market to get the best performance, efficiency, consistency and reliability from their engines.

These are the facts, the figures prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a dream world.

This discussion is a waste of time, only for those who do not want to learn, as 10secRX7 plainly put it for the money they are fine, and ANY ECU can be made to perform well if a competent tuner spends the time on seting it up, does not mean that the lower speced lower price unit is the best choice. There are many factors involved in peoples decisions, not the least economic. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to make the link that Anthony Rodrigues's livley hood and profits ride on the success and promotion of Microtech, for this reason alone his views and reactions are very predictable, constantly resorting to ridiculing people such as myself and HITman only proves this point to everybody.

Autronic#1

And loving it. But seriously here is a qoute from charles keterring inventor of the self starter and battery ignition (kettering) system. "I am pleading with you to make changes, i am telling you that you have got to make them - not because i say so , but because old father time will take care of you if you dont change"

I have taken on board what several of you have said about the new microtech being better than the earlier versions , i have investigated and found this to be the case. About five years ago after much discussion with the local microtech dealer i purchased a microtech unit and ran a comparison with the brand i am currently using. I saw some good features in the microtech, as i see good features in haltech motech wolf ems and even electromotive. However i recently returned a 7.5 year old autronic box for repair and had it upgraded to current spec. Can i do this with a microtech digi 1? My local dealer says no

fdracer

Greg, of course Ari isn't scared in the literal sense. I can just imagine him, though, Blair Witch Project style talking into a camera about Titan . Anyway, remember the Reading final where Ari redlighted so bad that he was halfway down the track before Titan even took off, then he broke at the end of the run. C'mon you guys know that, that's not Ari, but the fact remains that he knows he currently cannot beat Titan and the other heavy hitting Supras out there. Judging from his actions in Reading and Houston, for lack of a better word I am calling him scared. This isn't a bad thing, it's just gonna motivate him more, please don't take it as me slangin crap on him.

I agreee with Marcos 100% about tuning dragsters. If you do not know how to tune well you won't be around long in drag racing. With yearly budgets reaching over half a million for some of the big guns and sponsors needing results for their money you better be able to tune for power and consistency or you're dead. You gotta tune according to weather, track conditions, your competition, your motor, your chassis, your suspension, etc. I think people people don't understand how hard it is to reconcile having the highest power output possible and being consistent and reliable. These aspects are usually at the opposite ends of the spectrum, to be able to put it all together and win takes a very skilled tuner.

The fact remains that there is definitely a mass exodus away from haltech by American drag racers. This may not be indicative of how good Haltech is, nor does it reflect upon how good Haltech is for a street application. But you cannot ignore the fact that for whatever reason less and less tuners are using haltech. And its not because tuners are too simple minded as many here have proposed, that is simply not the case because many teams are switching to motec. And I think we can all agree that is not a system for simpletons.

Also does anyone have any real input about the rumors of Haltech's inaccurate ignition timing? Has anyone blown their motor running very tight timing splits with Haltech and been succesful running the same split on a different system?

The_HITman

10sec RX7 , you have some real problems when people dont agree with your views. You, and many on this thread, don't seem to be reading and listening to what has been said and what is being asked. No-one is bagging MT and no-one on here has. What is being discussed is that it may be good for its price, but it is not the best by a long shot. The original post was about me and I have answered thoroughly with technical answers that no-one from the MT brigade seem to be able to do in kind. Anthony, I enjoy your more intelligent replies but still there are a number of us waiting to here why the LT is superior to the E6K.

MT's control of features like boost control is basic at best. Again it does its job but with no-where near the level of control of Hal/Mot/Aut. I do keep up with the latest releases from all manufacturers and I don't just push the one system. I have and will do recommend some clients use a MT over another system but there are always reasons behind this, and generally not because it is superior.

Honestly, I don't really give a rats *** as to who uses what ECU. Again, I tune them all and end up seeing so many of everything so the choice of what brand someone goes with has no effect on my work. Why is it that everyone gets their back up when talking ECU's ?


"BTW i know Hitman, and i have respect for his work, but there are other people out there that know more than him and can tune just as well and if not better than him" You would be surprised at what I know but dont talk about on forums :-) One thing I will say is that if anyone can show me where I am not telling the truth about the MT vs Haltech issue, please show me as I am more than willing to learn.


RICE, I have to say you have been responding with much more calm than I am used to seeing from you :-) and you have been pretty much on the ball IMHO.

The_HITman

Also does anyone have any real input about the rumors of Haltech's inaccurate ignition timing? Has anyone blown their motor running very tight timing splits with Haltech and been succesful running the same split on a different system? [/B][/QUOTE]

I have handled endless Haltech systems and have not had any ignition problems when it is properly configured. I fail to see why "so many" claim to have problems that are the E6K's fault. If you want to see bad ignition control, try turning on the timing lock of an LT and watch it move as the engine is accelerated and decelerated. I can do the same thing with a Mot/Aut/Hal and have the timing scatter maybe 1 degree from idle to redline. Doing this will depend on the trigger used (distributor/cam based triggers will always move a little), but for identical crank triggered systems I have seen enough scatter from MT's to put me personally off using them on my own motors. You don't have to take my word for it, go and check one for yourselves. If it does it with a locked value, who knows what is happening under load.

To give Haltech a little boost, I have been working on their new system coming out VERY soon and it will do down to 0.1 degree of timing and do it repeatably time and time again so far in testing. Same for Trail timing (32x32map).

cement

im still to see a post where anyone from the Microtech camp have claimed the Microtech to be a better ECU then any other in particular the Haltech
there are only a few on here that continually stir **** and even though they say they arent bagging the Microtech as they used to their words still have the same meaning
as for Anthony i think its a real shame when one of the leading rotary identities in the world may be lost to a forum because a minority few continually attack the ECU he supports. recommends and has helped to develop , ok he is a businessman and he profits from the sales ,who cares ,good luck to the guy for getting off his **** and having a go which is a bit more then some of the critics ,you only have to look at the amount of posts coming from them to see what they do with their time
Anthony has been at the forefront of Australian drag racing for years using the Microtech and when he returns i have no doubt he will be the guy the others will be chasing like in the past , i definitely think he isnt shown the respect that he deserves ,the man has been there and done it people , the critics definitely havent been there so until such time pull your heads in so the rest of us can benefit from having a person of his knowledge on this forum

MVAMotorsport

All you guys keep saying the same thing. I think the only way we can say which computer is better than an another to test them out. Most of you guys are in australia. Well get Anthony from MIcrotech, Get Hitman from haltech, and two other top tuners from the other ECU, rent the track the dyno or circle track, And prove to the public why your system is better. I'm shure Anthony wont mind