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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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^Hah, that's the body shop guy's (AJ) 21 y/o daughter. You guys are a bunch of scum dogs
21 eh? I may have to go to Gotham for a "parts run" from Michigan , seeing as how i'm 21 as well. is she as good looking as her body suggests, or is she a PBS?

alright, enough being "THAT GUY." Interesting read David. Can you, or maybe Crispeed, explain why a coil with a built in ignitor can't be used with an ignition AMP?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 11:22 AM
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The MSD DIS-4s are unreliable, but perhaps they'll work well for you as they apparently have for Crispeed. At any rate, if your car starts acting flakey in a couple months go straight to checking the amps.

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Old Jun 6, 2007 | 07:26 AM
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^Yes, I've heard this also about the DIS-4 boxes. But come on, I've got the PLUS versions, got to be better right? Kind of reminds me of a cable commercial running on TV: "Roger, I've already told you. You are now a tiger, the tattoos are permanent" "But that was before, now I've got Comcast VOIP!"

Anyway, yesterday evening Gotham was working on installing the 2 AMPs in the car. Not sure how long this will take as well as wiring the new coils in. They also need to make a new bracket for the coils too. Brain's the man though and I'm sure he'll do a great job on this.

As for why a coil with a built in ignitor won't work with an AMP, I hope crispeed will chime in here. M&W and MSD both confirmed this though. I think with an AMP you need direct fire coils and the AMP will zap the circuitry of the ignitor coils. Of course, I'm no mechanic and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express
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Old Jun 6, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by David Hayes
Kind of reminds me of a cable commercial running on TV: "Roger, I've already told you. You are now a tiger, the tattoos are permanent" "But that was before, now I've got Comcast VOIP!"

I'll use a quote from Don King... "Only in America... can you have a television commercial that makes no sense but everyone understands it"
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Old Jun 6, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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The reason why you can't put an amp in a built-in ignitor coil is because you can't amplify a switch. Ignitor essentially is a switch that gets its signal from the ECU and then switch on and off from the source voltage (usually 12V) to induced current through a transformer (coil) When you add an ignition amp, the amp is amplifying the voltage to the coil so that the signal is coming from the output of the ignitor and the output goes to the coils. If you install an amp to the ignitor, you will just burn the circuit in the ignitor (power transistor) since they can't handle 200-400V input. The output of the ignitor will still be a 12V source so you're not amplifying anything to the coil.

hope that makes sense.



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21 eh? I may have to go to Gotham for a "parts run" from Michigan , seeing as how i'm 21 as well. is she as good looking as her body suggests, or is she a PBS?

alright, enough being "THAT GUY." Interesting read David. Can you, or maybe Crispeed, explain why a coil with a built in ignitor can't be used with an ignition AMP?
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Old Jun 6, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pluto
The reason why you can't put an amp in a built-in ignitor coil is because you can't amplify a switch. Ignitor essentially is a switch that gets its signal from the ECU and then switch on and off from the source voltage (usually 12V) to induced current through a transformer (coil) When you add an ignition amp, the amp is amplifying the voltage to the coil so that the signal is coming from the output of the ignitor and the output goes to the coils. If you install an amp to the ignitor, you will just burn the circuit in the ignitor (power transistor) since they can't handle 200-400V input. The output of the ignitor will still be a 12V source so you're not amplifying anything to the coil.

hope that makes sense.
Thanks for the explination, it answered my question.

Now David, back to my other question, is she a PBS (a.k.a. a 60 footer), or is her face as good as her body?









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Old Jun 6, 2007 | 09:58 PM
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This is a bit off topic, but is there a problem getting a 20B rx7 inspected? and did you already find an insurance agent?
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 07:55 AM
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Now David, back to my other question, is she a PBS (a.k.a. a 60 footer), or is her face as good as her body?

I have no idea. I'm in FL and Gotham Racing is in Dallas so I've never seen her. I stand by my earlier statement, you guys are a bunch of scum dogs







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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by weaklink
This is a bit off topic, but is there a problem getting a 20B rx7 inspected? and did you already find an insurance agent?
Don't know about the inspection issue - it's not required in FL. If you were to keep on the emissions systems, I don't think you would have an issue, but how many of us do this?

As for the insurance question, this has been discussed in this thread and has also been discussed in great detail in a thread on this forum (Ramy aka FDNEWBIE has posted extensive info on this). I got dropped by State Farm when I did the conversion because the car no longer fits into one of their categories. I now have insurance with Progressive. It's a STATED value policy which means I'll have to argue with the insurance company if anything happens to the car - I'm good at this though and kind of enjoy it. The preferable route is to get an AGREED Value policy thru one of the specialty companies such as Hagerty. My problem is I like to drive the car so I would have had to "stretch" the truth when applying for the policy and I didn't want to do this. For me (others may have a different experience) to get Hagerty, I could only drive the car to and from car events. My understanding is this also varies from agent to agent so search the 3rd gen section for the insurance thread. As I recall, someone posted the name and number of an agent that had helped write policies.
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 11:54 AM
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OK I had followed that earlier insurance thread or section of this thread, but never knew if you had succeeded in getting coverage. So there are no inspection stickers in FL, wow. I have been kicking around the idea of maybe a 20B or v8 conversion, but I have been worried about the legal issues-such as inspections, and insurance.
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by David Hayes
Now David, back to my other question, is she a PBS (a.k.a. a 60 footer), or is her face as good as her body?

I have no idea. I'm in FL and Gotham Racing is in Dallas so I've never seen her. I stand by my earlier statement, you guys are a bunch of scum dogs







PBS = Paper Bag Special
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haha, scum dogs. it's scum BAGS David. J/K, i'm just bustin your *****. Awesome project, and keep us updated on everythin. These in-depth chronicles are what alot of people need to bring them back to reality when they are asking about the difficulty of doing a 20b swap and saying "I don't understand why you guys are paying 35k for a swap".
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 05:22 PM
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haha, scum dogs. it's scum BAGS David. J/K, i'm just bustin your *****. Awesome project, and keep us updated on everythin. These in-depth chronicles are what alot of people need to bring them back to reality when they are asking about the difficulty of doing a 20b swap and saying "I don't understand why you guys are paying 35k for a swap".[/QUOTE]

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Old Jun 8, 2007 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by David Hayes
Don't know about the inspection issue - it's not required in FL. If you were to keep on the emissions systems, I don't think you would have an issue, but how many of us do this?

As for the insurance question, this has been discussed in this thread and has also been discussed in great detail in a thread on this forum (Ramy aka FDNEWBIE has posted extensive info on this). I got dropped by State Farm when I did the conversion because the car no longer fits into one of their categories. I now have insurance with Progressive. It's a STATED value policy which means I'll have to argue with the insurance company if anything happens to the car - I'm good at this though and kind of enjoy it. The preferable route is to get an AGREED Value policy thru one of the specialty companies such as Hagerty. My problem is I like to drive the car so I would have had to "stretch" the truth when applying for the policy and I didn't want to do this. For me (others may have a different experience) to get Hagerty, I could only drive the car to and from car events. My understanding is this also varies from agent to agent so search the 3rd gen section for the insurance thread. As I recall, someone posted the name and number of an agent that had helped write policies.
Mr. Hayes, you have a PM.

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Old Jun 8, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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Quick update: Everything is rolling to a conclusion. Brian and Alex rock at Gotham. A bit of a setback: I originally ordered the high output HO MSD AMPs for the car and after Brain called MSD, we decided to send these back. MSD feels the high output rating of the units (170 millijoules) will compromise the reliability of the setup in the long run. So we sent those back for 2 regular DIS-4 boxes. Unfortunately Summit Racing sent one DIS-2 unit istead of a 4 so we now have to wait until Tuesday for the new unit to arrive. Brian has fabbed up brackets in the driver's side bin for the AMPs and is busy wiring up the coils and the one correct AMP unit in the meantime. Gotham also got in my PLX boost sensor unit so they're going to install this too and get the gauges set.

Next week should be a good one for me. Everything should be wrapped up and Steve should be able to take a crack at tuning the car above 14 lbs.
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Old Jun 8, 2007 | 08:42 PM
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i cant wait to see what she lays down
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 12:59 PM
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sorry i m going off topic again
i just called progressive, they basically just told me they do not write stated value policy. or their payout is the stated value / actual value, whichever is less
how did u get your insurance done through progressive ?
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by David Hayes
Quick update: Everything is rolling to a conclusion. Brian and Alex rock at Gotham. A bit of a setback: I originally ordered the high output HO MSD AMPs for the car and after Brain called MSD, we decided to send these back. MSD feels the high output rating of the units (170 millijoules) will compromise the reliability of the setup in the long run. So we sent those back for 2 regular DIS-4 boxes. Unfortunately Summit Racing sent one DIS-2 unit istead of a 4 so we now have to wait until Tuesday for the new unit to arrive. Brian has fabbed up brackets in the driver's side bin for the AMPs and is busy wiring up the coils and the one correct AMP unit in the meantime. Gotham also got in my PLX boost sensor unit so they're going to install this too and get the gauges set.

Next week should be a good one for me. Everything should be wrapped up and Steve should be able to take a crack at tuning the car above 14 lbs.
Bravo. I'm impressed with Gotham's work on this. Be sure to take some video when you pick up the car!
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sub9lulu
sorry i m going off topic again
i just called progressive, they basically just told me they do not write stated value policy. or their payout is the stated value / actual value, whichever is less
how did u get your insurance done through progressive ?
I called thier 800 number and arranged it. The policy is a stated value policy but your info is correct that they will only pay out the stated value or the "actual" value, whichever is LESS. This is where the negotiations begin unfortunately and why you must keep all of your work order receipts. I've also printed and filed what Cam Worth's 3 rotor sold for at the Barrett Jackson auction as this is probably the most comparable car to mine. Of course I'll argue mine is better because of the single upgrade, etc. so I'll have to go thru this process to agree on a price. My stated value is $57,500 so this is the tops I'd get regardless.

On this topic, one of the forum members has called me and walked me thru how to get an agreed on value policy thru State Farm, insurer for my other two cars. In a week or so I'm going to dig into this to see if I can be sucessful with them. I'll gladly post what happens in a few weeks.

On another topic, the hood is now painted and we're waiting on the mesh inserts to be shaped. Here are a few pics of the hood:





And finally, by popular demand, it's been approved to post the following pic of the "mystery painter":



From the quality of the work on my car, she's an excellent body/paint person. It's also my understanding she is a heck of a mechanic so I don't know if you guys could hang with her Also, keep it respectful as she reads this forum also.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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Wow. She is one good looking woman. Hot actually. And she did some nice looking work on your car.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 10:03 PM
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Thumbs up Very nice body

Very nice body.... work.
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Old Jun 9, 2007 | 10:25 PM
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Im intrested to know what kind of Guns she uses to spray....If that isn't buffed and wet sanded already thats damn fine work. Then again, getting the clear to go on glass smooth is never a problem seeing as how it just levels out if you do it the right way. On a flat surface facing up that is. Never the less shes done a good job. Also the clear shes using woudl be intrestign to find out.
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 10:34 AM
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^Maybe she'll come on the forum and answer your painting questions. I think the pics are after buffing and wet sanding but I'm not sure.
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by David Hayes
And finally, by popular demand, it's been approved to post the following pic of the "mystery painter":



From the quality of the work on my car, she's an excellent body/paint person. It's also my understanding she is a heck of a mechanic so I don't know if you guys could hang with her Also, keep it respectful as she reads this forum also.
Great work!

Where is this shop located?.. I need my R100 painted... Do they do media blasting???...

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I'm excited to see progress here! Looking forward to ridiculous power numbers...even though you said you're not going for that .
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