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Labor to change out an ev battery is crazy. They have to wear special gloves and close off the area around it. We hade to replace a new Lightning battery already. I just looked up the price for them and the "extended range" battery is $46907.06 and the standard is $34393.48!
Close family friend is a manager of a local body shop, last year they had some type of plug in hybrid or full electric Hyundai in for a mild/moderate collision. Hyundai called for 2 extra open parking spaces on each side while it was on their lot in case of a fire, while waiting for a replacement $23,000 battery pack which was on extended backorder. EV's are a joke. The technology and costs and charging infrastructure may get there one day, but at the moment, all they have is a claim to neck breaking acceleration for buyers who are overwhelmingly not car enthusiasts, and likely don't have the driving skill to handle it, and a cheap, short commute under ideal weather conditions if/when full cost of ownership are recouped. Don't get me started on the clams of a lesser environmental impact.
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Close family friend is a manager of a local body shop, last year they had some type of plug in hybrid of full electric hyundai in for a mild/moderate collision. Hyundai called for 2 extra open parking spaces on each side while it was on their lot in case of a fire, while waiting for a replacement $23,000 battery pack which was on extended backorder. EV's are a joke. The technology and costs and charging infrastructure may get there one day, but at the moment, all they have is a claim to neck breaking acceleration for buyers who are overwhelmingly not car enthusiasts, and likely don't have the driving skill to handle it, and a cheaper commute if/when full cost of ownership are recouped. Don't get me started on the clams of smaller environmental impact.
Well said.......with current technology EV's are a joke......may change in next 25 years, time will tell.
Well said.......with current technology EV's are a joke......may change in next 25 years, time will tell.
that is the other thing, things are going to change REALLY FAST in the EV world.
the only interesting thing with an EV is that since you don't need to package the whole car around the derpy engine, this lets you package it around the people/driver
i was going to say, look where the PC has come in the last 25 years, its much more capable, but then of course the operating system is just as obtuse as it was in 1985, and it still costs the same, lol
remember the joke about the Microsoft car?
that is the other thing, things are going to change REALLY FAST in the EV world.
the only interesting thing with an EV is that since you don't need to package the whole car around the derpy engine, this lets you package it around the people/driver
i was going to say, look where the PC has come in the last 25 years, its much more capable, but then of course the operating system is just as obtuse as it was in 1985, and it still costs the same, lol
remember the joke about the Microsoft car?
It'll go as fast as the manufacture willingness to make it easier for the public, but they’ll for sure bank on the high price battery swap for as long as they can, in the end it is still a business, their goal is revenue. All the battery related challenge can easily be resolve, can’t pull in a charging station because of size? There can be and will be wireless charging. Long range towing issue? The trailer you are towing should equip with a layer of battery on the bottom just like the car, imaging the extra range you can get.
Not that I own an EV at the moment, but I don’t see these as the valid road block.
so speaking of evolution… in 23 years, it is a pretty epic journey. i'm not sure i can think of another automaker that has come that far that fast
Kudos to the Japanese for their achievements but imo, Mercedes had already made these types of evolutionary strides like 80-100 years ago (golden era of the automobile was a long time ago). They have been the greatest contributor across the automotive industry over the last century and never stopped advancing to this day. Their newer black series GTR is just exceptional by my taste and has plenty of specs / titles, etc (6:43.6 Nurburgring) to back it up.
Only 26 years between the SSK and the 300 SLR and that progress comes even after having their *** handed to them by the Paris Peace Treaties. Well done Deutschland!
Kudos to the Japanese for their achievements but imo, Mercedes had already made these types of evolutionary strides like 80-100 years ago (golden era of the automobile was a long time ago). They have been the greatest contributor across the automotive industry over the last century and never stopped advancing to this day. Their newer black series GTR is just exceptional by my taste and has plenty of specs / titles, etc (6:43.6 Nurburgring) to back it up.
Only 26 years between the SSK and the 300 SLR and that progress comes even after having their *** handed to them by the Paris Peace Treaties. Well done Deutschland!
i'm a big fan of the Silver arrows, they are amazing, still!
i sort of just found out that since they Auto Union team didn't have Rudolf Uhlenhaut, and engineer who could drive, they had to make a data logger, in 1938.
it logs time, speed, rpm and probably some other stuff, which is like 50 years before anyone else tried it. its German, so its clock based, records on a paper disc, which you can still get from Amazon.
i have pics of the later ones they used in tanks in the war, and trucks after
i sort of just found out that since they Auto Union team didn't have Rudolf Uhlenhaut, and engineer who could drive, they had to make a data logger, in 1938.
it logs time, speed, rpm and probably some other stuff, which is like 50 years before anyone else tried it. its German, so its clock based, records on a paper disc, which you can still get from Amazon...
Wow that's crazy. Thanks for sharing that very interesting tidbit of info
Love Mercedes. Their 70s sedans were less exotic than the pre-war stuff but no less special:
Excellent, rational engineering, and built to last a lifetime. Every car enthusiast should have the opportunity to close the door on a classic Mercedes and fiddle with the switches. Kind of the opposite of an FD, ha. The quality of the paint and all the materials is also better than anything they're putting into cars now. Things like the window switches are fully rebuildable, and there are grease fittings on the door hinges for maintenance. Only the passenger side mirror is power adjustable, because why would you want to run a wire and switch on the driver's side, when a reliable **** will do just fine. No release for the fuel door, just a beautifully engineered swiveling door. Ease of use.
Love Mercedes. Their 70s sedans were less exotic than the pre-war stuff but no less special:
Excellent, rational engineering, and built to last a lifetime. Every car enthusiast should have the opportunity to close the door on a classic Mercedes and fiddle with the switches. Kind of the opposite of an FD, ha. The quality of the paint and all the materials is also better than anything they're putting into cars now. Things like the window switches are fully rebuildable, and there are grease fittings on the door hinges for maintenance. Only the passenger side mirror is power adjustable, because why would you want to run a wire and switch on the driver's side, when a reliable **** will do just fine. No release for the fuel door, just a beautifully engineered swiveling door. Ease of use.
Love Mercedes. Their 70s sedans were less exotic than the pre-war stuff but no less special:
Excellent, rational engineering, and built to last a lifetime. Every car enthusiast should have the opportunity to close the door on a classic Mercedes and fiddle with the switches. Kind of the opposite of an FD, ha. The quality of the paint and all the materials is also better than anything they're putting into cars now. Things like the window switches are fully rebuildable, and there are grease fittings on the door hinges for maintenance. Only the passenger side mirror is power adjustable, because why would you want to run a wire and switch on the driver's side, when a reliable **** will do just fine. No release for the fuel door, just a beautifully engineered swiveling door. Ease of use.
YEP, my grandfather always had Mercedes cars and the build quality back in the 60s, 70s and 80s was outstanding!!!
Interested to see what the current BAT auction brings. 4hr's left and its still under $100k. No reserve...
Seller and high bidder probably a bit anxious at the moment lol.
It was a very surprising ending. I expected well over 6 figures based on the last low mileage R model. Guess that's a sign of the market. Possibly poor timing for the auction? Either way I think the buyer scored a deal.
At this point I think we can all admit the market is definitely feeling the heat of elevated interest rates, rising inflation, potential housing market/stock market crash etc.... 2 months ago, a similar R1 with 16k miles sold for over 100k.
I just picked up a JDM FD this week. Decent condition, clean title, under 100,000km on the chassis and an undocumented engine rebuild. I paid 20k CAD (~14.5k USD).
It had been for sale a while... I foresee a resurgence of cheap toys once the current interest rates hit more mortgages up here. It is quite uncommon to see terms longer than 5yr in Canada, so there will definitely be pain in the next few...
Now that I've got my FD, you southerners may want to keep an eye on things north of the border
If we go back over the BAT data (as I am sure some people have already done) and quarter by quarter disregard the outlying highs and lows, RHD and automatics, the trend may well still be up and $80,000 plus will look pretty decent.
(Of course it is risky to draw conclusions from such a small data set.)
If we go back over the BAT data (as I am sure some people have already done) and quarter by quarter disregard the outlying highs and lows, RHD and automatics, the trend may well still be up and $80,000 plus will look pretty decent.
(Of course it is risky to draw conclusions from such a small data set.)
Yep, 80k is a good price for your typical low mileage FD (red touring with 20k miles etc....) but an R1 with 4k miles is way outside the norm. I'm thinking 6 months ago this one is selling for over 100k.
The market is changing for sure, and I'll probably have a new track car soonish (within 6 months). If not, I'll keep my cash safe and sound earning 5 percent plus and forgo fun for financial responsibility.
Yep, 80k is a good price for your typical low mileage FD (red touring with 20k miles etc....) but an R1 with 4k miles is way outside the norm. I'm thinking 6 months ago this one is selling for over 100k.
The market is changing for sure, and I'll probably have a new track car soonish (within 6 months). If not, I'll keep my cash safe and sound earning 5 percent plus and forgo fun for financial responsibility.
i was wondering if that was the barn find RX-7 from YouTube and maybe that’s why?It crazy to see such low mileage ones popping up now
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