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Old Oct 14, 2023 | 11:41 AM
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13b rew is now $13k, plus installation costs. Getting up there with the cost of a battery. Ouch.
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Old Oct 14, 2023 | 05:13 PM
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Here’s a beauty. No battery cover though hahaha. Never mind, in the comments they say they have it and are putting it on haha.

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Old Oct 15, 2023 | 10:27 AM
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Well said.......with current technology EV's are a joke......may change in next 25 years, time will tell.
that is the other thing, things are going to change REALLY FAST in the EV world.
the only interesting thing with an EV is that since you don't need to package the whole car around the derpy engine, this lets you package it around the people/driver

i was going to say, look where the PC has come in the last 25 years, its much more capable, but then of course the operating system is just as obtuse as it was in 1985, and it still costs the same, lol
remember the joke about the Microsoft car?
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Old Oct 15, 2023 | 10:34 AM
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so speaking of evolution, Mazda went from this:

to this


in 23 years, it is a pretty epic journey. i'm not sure i can think of another automaker that has come that far that fast
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Old Oct 15, 2023 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
that is the other thing, things are going to change REALLY FAST in the EV world.
the only interesting thing with an EV is that since you don't need to package the whole car around the derpy engine, this lets you package it around the people/driver

i was going to say, look where the PC has come in the last 25 years, its much more capable, but then of course the operating system is just as obtuse as it was in 1985, and it still costs the same, lol
remember the joke about the Microsoft car?
It'll go as fast as the manufacture willingness to make it easier for the public, but they’ll for sure bank on the high price battery swap for as long as they can, in the end it is still a business, their goal is revenue. All the battery related challenge can easily be resolve, can’t pull in a charging station because of size? There can be and will be wireless charging. Long range towing issue? The trailer you are towing should equip with a layer of battery on the bottom just like the car, imaging the extra range you can get.

Not that I own an EV at the moment, but I don’t see these as the valid road block.
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Old Oct 15, 2023 | 01:22 PM
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so speaking of evolution… in 23 years, it is a pretty epic journey. i'm not sure i can think of another automaker that has come that far that fast
Kudos to the Japanese for their achievements but imo, Mercedes had already made these types of evolutionary strides like 80-100 years ago (golden era of the automobile was a long time ago). They have been the greatest contributor across the automotive industry over the last century and never stopped advancing to this day. Their newer black series GTR is just exceptional by my taste and has plenty of specs / titles, etc (6:43.6 Nurburgring) to back it up.

Only 26 years between the SSK and the 300 SLR and that progress comes even after having their *** handed to them by the Paris Peace Treaties. Well done Deutschland!


1932 SSK

1934 'Silver Arrow'

1955 300 SLR

2020 AMG GT 'Black Series'

ps- not to mention some of the most attractive cars ever produced imo.
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Old Oct 15, 2023 | 02:40 PM
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A few years ago one of these came up for auction in Japan. Backstory was it had been purchased and held by Mazda for design study purposes.






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Old Oct 15, 2023 | 06:16 PM
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A few years ago one of these came up for auction in Japan. Backstory was it had been purchased and held by Mazda for design study purposes.
What is that? Intriguing.
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Old Oct 16, 2023 | 02:21 AM
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1960 O.S.C.A

O.S.C.A was started by the Maserrati Brothers when they sold their naming rights.

Feast your eye son these.

https://www.supercars.net/blog/1960-osca-1600-gtz/

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Old Oct 16, 2023 | 09:24 AM
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by Federighi
Kudos to the Japanese for their achievements but imo, Mercedes had already made these types of evolutionary strides like 80-100 years ago (golden era of the automobile was a long time ago). They have been the greatest contributor across the automotive industry over the last century and never stopped advancing to this day. Their newer black series GTR is just exceptional by my taste and has plenty of specs / titles, etc (6:43.6 Nurburgring) to back it up.

Only 26 years between the SSK and the 300 SLR and that progress comes even after having their *** handed to them by the Paris Peace Treaties. Well done Deutschland!
i'm a big fan of the Silver arrows, they are amazing, still!

i sort of just found out that since they Auto Union team didn't have Rudolf Uhlenhaut, and engineer who could drive, they had to make a data logger, in 1938.
it logs time, speed, rpm and probably some other stuff, which is like 50 years before anyone else tried it. its German, so its clock based, records on a paper disc, which you can still get from Amazon.

i have pics of the later ones they used in tanks in the war, and trucks after




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Old Oct 16, 2023 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
i sort of just found out that since they Auto Union team didn't have Rudolf Uhlenhaut, and engineer who could drive, they had to make a data logger, in 1938.
it logs time, speed, rpm and probably some other stuff, which is like 50 years before anyone else tried it. its German, so its clock based, records on a paper disc, which you can still get from Amazon...
Wow that's crazy. Thanks for sharing that very interesting tidbit of info
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Old Oct 16, 2023 | 09:12 PM
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Love Mercedes. Their 70s sedans were less exotic than the pre-war stuff but no less special:


Excellent, rational engineering, and built to last a lifetime. Every car enthusiast should have the opportunity to close the door on a classic Mercedes and fiddle with the switches. Kind of the opposite of an FD, ha. The quality of the paint and all the materials is also better than anything they're putting into cars now. Things like the window switches are fully rebuildable, and there are grease fittings on the door hinges for maintenance. Only the passenger side mirror is power adjustable, because why would you want to run a wire and switch on the driver's side, when a reliable **** will do just fine. No release for the fuel door, just a beautifully engineered swiveling door. Ease of use.

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Old Oct 17, 2023 | 08:48 AM
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by c0rbin9
Love Mercedes. Their 70s sedans were less exotic than the pre-war stuff but no less special:

Excellent, rational engineering, and built to last a lifetime. Every car enthusiast should have the opportunity to close the door on a classic Mercedes and fiddle with the switches. Kind of the opposite of an FD, ha. The quality of the paint and all the materials is also better than anything they're putting into cars now. Things like the window switches are fully rebuildable, and there are grease fittings on the door hinges for maintenance. Only the passenger side mirror is power adjustable, because why would you want to run a wire and switch on the driver's side, when a reliable **** will do just fine. No release for the fuel door, just a beautifully engineered swiveling door. Ease of use.
the engineer in charge of the racing cars in the 30's didn't retire until 1972, so he had his hand in even that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Uhlenhaut

and https://mercedesheritage.com/mercede...ts-in-monterey
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Old Oct 18, 2023 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by c0rbin9
Love Mercedes. Their 70s sedans were less exotic than the pre-war stuff but no less special:


Excellent, rational engineering, and built to last a lifetime. Every car enthusiast should have the opportunity to close the door on a classic Mercedes and fiddle with the switches. Kind of the opposite of an FD, ha. The quality of the paint and all the materials is also better than anything they're putting into cars now. Things like the window switches are fully rebuildable, and there are grease fittings on the door hinges for maintenance. Only the passenger side mirror is power adjustable, because why would you want to run a wire and switch on the driver's side, when a reliable **** will do just fine. No release for the fuel door, just a beautifully engineered swiveling door. Ease of use.
YEP, my grandfather always had Mercedes cars and the build quality back in the 60s, 70s and 80s was outstanding!!!
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Old Oct 18, 2023 | 12:39 PM
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Interested to see what the current BAT auction brings. 4hr's left and its still under $100k. No reserve...

Seller and high bidder probably a bit anxious at the moment lol.

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Old Oct 18, 2023 | 06:53 PM
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Interested to see what the current BAT auction brings. 4hr's left and its still under $100k. No reserve...

Seller and high bidder probably a bit anxious at the moment lol.
It was a very surprising ending. I expected well over 6 figures based on the last low mileage R model. Guess that's a sign of the market. Possibly poor timing for the auction? Either way I think the buyer scored a deal.
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Old Oct 18, 2023 | 09:27 PM
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CollectorCarChicago bid then suddenly bowed out. Makes you wonder why.

I don't know what you could do more with a BAT listing, But if I were spending over $80,000, I would want to inspect the car in person.

I am thinking that for a very low mileage car like that, it might be worthwhile to have a competent shop tear down the motor and redo all the seals.

Take pics of every plate, chamber and rotor.

Put it all back together, then sell it.

I'd think you'd get your money back for the trouble.



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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 09:01 AM
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No Reserve: One-Owner 1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - sold for $80,500 on October 18, 2023 (Lot #124,458) | Bring a Trailer

At this point I think we can all admit the market is definitely feeling the heat of elevated interest rates, rising inflation, potential housing market/stock market crash etc.... 2 months ago, a similar R1 with 16k miles sold for over 100k.

This winter should be interesting.

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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 09:18 AM
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I just picked up a JDM FD this week. Decent condition, clean title, under 100,000km on the chassis and an undocumented engine rebuild. I paid 20k CAD (~14.5k USD).

It had been for sale a while... I foresee a resurgence of cheap toys once the current interest rates hit more mortgages up here. It is quite uncommon to see terms longer than 5yr in Canada, so there will definitely be pain in the next few...


Now that I've got my FD, you southerners may want to keep an eye on things north of the border
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 05:56 PM
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 06:15 PM
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If we go back over the BAT data (as I am sure some people have already done) and quarter by quarter disregard the outlying highs and lows, RHD and automatics, the trend may well still be up and $80,000 plus will look pretty decent.

(Of course it is risky to draw conclusions from such a small data set.)

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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Redbul
If we go back over the BAT data (as I am sure some people have already done) and quarter by quarter disregard the outlying highs and lows, RHD and automatics, the trend may well still be up and $80,000 plus will look pretty decent.

(Of course it is risky to draw conclusions from such a small data set.)
Yep, 80k is a good price for your typical low mileage FD (red touring with 20k miles etc....) but an R1 with 4k miles is way outside the norm. I'm thinking 6 months ago this one is selling for over 100k.

The market is changing for sure, and I'll probably have a new track car soonish (within 6 months). If not, I'll keep my cash safe and sound earning 5 percent plus and forgo fun for financial responsibility.
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Old Oct 24, 2023 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
Yep, 80k is a good price for your typical low mileage FD (red touring with 20k miles etc....) but an R1 with 4k miles is way outside the norm. I'm thinking 6 months ago this one is selling for over 100k.

The market is changing for sure, and I'll probably have a new track car soonish (within 6 months). If not, I'll keep my cash safe and sound earning 5 percent plus and forgo fun for financial responsibility.

i was wondering if that was the barn find RX-7 from YouTube and maybe that’s why?It crazy to see such low mileage ones popping up now
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Old Oct 25, 2023 | 03:47 PM
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i was wondering if that was the barn find RX-7 from YouTube and maybe that’s why?It crazy to see such low mileage ones popping up now
I'm sure a lot of these low mileage cars are barn find types that have been cleaned up. Another reason why this market is super tough to get a handle on. If I'm paying even 50k for an FD I need someone to look it over or need a good history lesson on it.


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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 07:08 AM
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The numbers on the dash don't mean ****, Plenty of people taking a chance for an extra 20gs, if it lacks regular records, it's bullshit.

Oh and condition is always more important than miles, don't forget.
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