3rd Gen General Discussion The place for non-technical discussion about 3rd Gen RX-7s or if there's no better place for your topic

How to value your FD

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 2, 2023 | 09:52 PM
  #5801  
tomsn16's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (297)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,190
Likes: 638
From: Murfreesboro TN
Originally Posted by boostin13b
This one just landed. I've never been a fan of Silver but this car looks mint and should bring in $100K+. I'll be watching this closely.

R1/R2 have always been my favorites which is why I'm glad I have a Type R.

1994 Mazda RX-7 R-2 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending June 9 (Lot #110,060) | Bring a Trailer
Fantastic R2
Wonder if there is a downside for an FD driven only 50 miles in 9 years???
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2023 | 11:04 PM
  #5802  
boostin13b's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,282
Likes: 400
From: Tampa, Florida
Originally Posted by tomsn16
Fantastic R2
Wonder if there is a downside for an FD driven only 50 miles in 9 years???
Totally depends on if it just sat or was started and/or moved somewhat frequently. Even a couple times a year matters for keeping rubber seals lubed and internal engine parts from sticking.
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2023 | 08:44 AM
  #5803  
books's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,751
Likes: 46
From: St. Louis
looks like the headlight covers have been replaced or repainted. noticed this was also stated by David Jerome in the remarks

Last edited by books; Jun 3, 2023 at 08:47 AM.
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2023 | 10:07 AM
  #5804  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,833
Likes: 3,232
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by books
looks like the headlight covers have been replaced or repainted. noticed this was also stated by David Jerome in the remarks
those are wear parts on an FD...
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2023 | 10:45 AM
  #5805  
Fritz Flynn's Avatar
Thread Starter
All out Track Freak!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (263)
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 10,672
Likes: 413
From: Charlottesville VA 22901
Originally Posted by boostin13b
This one just landed. I've never been a fan of Silver but this car looks mint and should bring in $100K+. I'll be watching this closely.

R1/R2 have always been my favorites which is why I'm glad I have a Type R.

1994 Mazda RX-7 R-2 5-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending June 9 (Lot #110,060) | Bring a Trailer
Love an SSM R2

Issues: noted HL thing, rear bumper also a different shade and doesn't fit well, engine bay not as clean as I'd like, some bolts show removal history, jack marks on seam (possible autox car and I suspect it had some mods that were removed etc.. etc...)..........bottomline not as clean as I'd like but based on model and mileage it could set a new record.

It will for sure be a fun auction to watch.



Reply
Old Jun 3, 2023 | 10:47 AM
  #5806  
Fritz Flynn's Avatar
Thread Starter
All out Track Freak!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (263)
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 10,672
Likes: 413
From: Charlottesville VA 22901
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
those are wear parts on an FD...
BUT, 7k miles?

Man, even the clutch pedal looks worn hopefully just a bad picture.
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2023 | 01:45 PM
  #5807  
Redbul's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 10 Years
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 7,015
Likes: 1,680
From: B.C.
I am trying to respect the low miles and the rare SSM/R2 color combination.

But the pictures don't live up to the praise of the SSM for its reflective and contour highlighting characteristics.

Maybe better to take pics during "golden hour".

Still would like to see a compression test.

Last edited by Redbul; Jun 3, 2023 at 02:56 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2023 | 08:50 PM
  #5808  
Molotovman's Avatar
Ban Peak
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,246
Likes: 549
From: Northern Virginia
Originally Posted by Redbul

Still would like to see a compression test.
Does it even matter?
can we not be past the “I need compression numbers” days?! If a car starts hot and cold without issues just run it….
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2023 | 09:09 PM
  #5809  
Montego's Avatar
Don't worry be happy...
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 6,901
Likes: 842
From: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted by Molotovman
Does it even matter?
can we not be past the “I need compression numbers” days?! If a car starts hot and cold without issues just run it….
​​​​100% agreed
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2023 | 09:31 PM
  #5810  
Redbul's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 10 Years
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 7,015
Likes: 1,680
From: B.C.
We are talking about the car "selling for a record".

I am not talking about "looking a gift horse in the mouth" here.
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2023 | 10:10 PM
  #5811  
Redbul's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 10 Years
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 7,015
Likes: 1,680
From: B.C.
Talking about gift horses.

This showed up at our local shop yesterday.

Kid found it behind another local shop where it had been sitting for five years.

Looks like the interior had been prepped for sale, then abandoned.

What shall we do to ressusitate the motor?


Sharded MB.

Sat with battery hooked up.

Interior tells a different story.

What are a clean set of tan bins worth nowadays?

Last edited by Redbul; Jun 3, 2023 at 10:14 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2023 | 02:23 AM
  #5812  
mr2peak's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
 
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 928
Likes: 1,060
From: Bangkok
Originally Posted by Molotovman
Does it even matter?
can we not be past the “I need compression numbers” days?! If a car starts hot and cold without issues just run it….
No, it's by far the best way to check engine health. Any car should be compression tested before purchase, this isn't an FD only thing.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2023 | 01:51 PM
  #5813  
Redbul's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 10 Years
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 7,015
Likes: 1,680
From: B.C.
Everyone say "ahhhhh" time for your compression test!





Last edited by Redbul; Jun 4, 2023 at 02:02 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2023 | 05:57 PM
  #5814  
Montego's Avatar
Don't worry be happy...
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 6,901
Likes: 842
From: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted by mr2peak
No, it's by far the best way to check engine health. Any car should be compression tested before purchase, this isn't an FD only thing.
​​​​​​Molotovman is correct though. A hot start pretty much sums up whether the compression is good on a rotary engine.

People don't realize that needlessly asking for a compression test each and every time an FD comes up for sale just perpetuates the myth that a rotary engine can die at any given moment. IMO this myth has cost a few sellers $$.

Last edited by Montego; Jun 4, 2023 at 06:00 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2023 | 07:56 PM
  #5815  
moconnor's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,678
Likes: 96
From: Bay Area, CA
Originally Posted by Montego
​​​​​​
People don't realize that needlessly asking for a compression test each and every time an FD comes up for sale just perpetuates the myth that a rotary engine can die at any given moment. IMO this myth has cost a few sellers $$.
BAT has a lot of armchair idiots who buy nothing and whose only goal is to find flaws in cars.

It's rare to see an FD listing where at least one of these ******** has not asked for a compression test.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2023 | 10:43 PM
  #5816  
Redbul's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 10 Years
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 7,015
Likes: 1,680
From: B.C.
Therefore, since its going to be asked..........

Last edited by Redbul; Jun 5, 2023 at 02:14 AM.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2023 | 10:44 PM
  #5817  
Redbul's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 10 Years
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 7,015
Likes: 1,680
From: B.C.
.....its gonna be questioned.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2023 | 10:52 PM
  #5818  
TwinCharged RX7's Avatar
Built Not Bought
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 964
From: Stamford, CT
I mean if you are selling a car, any car, at auction where the buyers cannot inspect and/or test drive, a compression test and other types of health check data will help the sale (if positive results). This goes for piston cars, not just rotaries.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2023 | 10:59 PM
  #5819  
moconnor's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,678
Likes: 96
From: Bay Area, CA
There is such an aura of bullshit around rotary compression numbers that it is going to be hard to win even if you do post the results of a compression test. Unless the numbers are extremely high, the peanut gallery is going to claim that the engine is heading towards oblivion.

Even though it is good practice to post them, I can see why people don't.
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2023 | 12:48 AM
  #5820  
Redbul's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 10 Years
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 7,015
Likes: 1,680
From: B.C.
Took my brand new compression tester (RotaryCompressionTester.com) with me to the shop this week. .

Based on those results, what should my engine-life management strategy be for the next 40,000 km?




6.5 years and 40,000 km after rebuild.
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2023 | 01:37 AM
  #5821  
ZE Power MX6's Avatar
Boilermakers!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (170)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,771
Likes: 379
From: Chicago, IL
Mine tested with similar number 11yrs ago, still starts hot with a tap of the key today.
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2023 | 02:33 AM
  #5822  
Montego's Avatar
Don't worry be happy...
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 6,901
Likes: 842
From: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7
I mean if you are selling a car, any car, at auction where the buyers cannot inspect and/or test drive, a compression test and other types of health check data will help the sale (if positive results). This goes for piston cars, not just rotaries.
And yet I've only seen it being asked when it comes to rotaries. No matter the mileage.

Seriously, check out older Mercedes auctions. Those dudes understand what they are buying and have real world expectations from cars that are 30+ years old.

Reply
Old Jun 5, 2023 | 02:49 AM
  #5823  
Montego's Avatar
Don't worry be happy...
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 6,901
Likes: 842
From: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted by moconnor
BAT has a lot of armchair idiots who buy nothing and whose only goal is to find flaws in cars.
I could never sell an FD on BAT. I don't have the patience to indulge morons who have stupid questions or requests and yet they have no plans on bidding.

For this current listing, one guy asked "for the California buyers" if the smog equipment was still intact. My immediate thought was "well wtf do you think? The car has 7k miles and everything under the hood is stock" but yeah ask away ..
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2023 | 04:51 AM
  #5824  
mr2peak's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
 
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 928
Likes: 1,060
From: Bangkok
Originally Posted by Redbul
Took my brand new compression tester (RotaryCompressionTester.com) with me to the shop this week. .

Based on those results, what should my engine-life management strategy be for the next 40,000 km?




6.5 years and 40,000 km after rebuild.
Enjoy it. As long as front and rear are similar you're good to go. Just like a piston engine, you are looking for one or more cylinders / faces with a large difference, the actual numbers are less important that the % difference between the highest and lowest compression event.
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2023 | 07:31 AM
  #5825  
Molotovman's Avatar
Ban Peak
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,246
Likes: 549
From: Northern Virginia
Originally Posted by Montego
I could never sell an FD on BAT. I don't have the patience to indulge morons who have stupid questions or requests and yet they have no plans on bidding.

For this current listing, one guy asked "for the California buyers" if the smog equipment was still intact. My immediate thought was "well wtf do you think? The car has 7k miles and everything under the hood is stock" but yeah ask away ..
I feel the same way, I'm just waiting patiently before engaging some member of the idiot party in an argument.

Compression numbers are BS, especially for a stock power level car. The dang thing starts well hot or it doesn't, if it doesn't hot start, a cold start is going to be problematic too! A good hot start and solid vacuum are all that you need to be informed to buy- it's a rotary and it will eventually fail, if it's modified that timeline will be advanced. At this point an engine rebuild is the cheap part of ownership, it's cheaper than paint, a black interior, or a single turbo kit + EMS, cooling, & supporting fuel.

How many guys have lost money on cars that were just fine because they had warm compression test in the 90's? It's rhetorical because we don't track it but it's something we see regularly on the auction sites. As long as you keep perpetuating the myths you're holding down values.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:22 AM.