Not sure how this thread changed from pricing a car to driving stick shift. However..............I'm also a boomer, 71 this December, and anyone who I went to school with who could not drive stick was considered a *****. Most could also drive a non-synchromesh transmission. Some of the younger ones on this forum will not know what that is. I drove my FD home when the clutch fork broke without ANY clutch by matching the revs on the upshift and starting from stop with the key off in first gear. Did the same with my TR-4 thirty years ago. Drove a 1940 dump truck with brakes so bad that if you missed a downshift (non-synchro trans) you would never stop with a load on. Most older drivers have had real life experience with some of the older technology.

 

You mean you didn't need the clutch or the brake peddle back in the old days?

 

i personally don't think the introduction of electric cars or self driving cars will change demand for classic sports cars(that are manual) in the distant future. i actually think it will increase it. just look at what happened to horses, they were replaced for day to day use, and later became very popular for recreational use. i think the same will happen with gasoline powered cars.

 

No, we just dragged our feet to stop and whacked the trans with a hammer to shift.

 

This one is local to me, might check it out and see if there's any flexibility

1993 Mazda RX-7 Coupe | Only 21,128 actual miles! | eBay

 

Just gonna leave this here: https://www.autotrader.com/car-video...estment-270056

 

That's the same R2 that was listed on this forum. The guy had it listed here, there and everywhere (he even had it listed on rennlist) for 6 months at 40k plus and sold it for approx 33 which IMO was still too much. The paint isn't great, the compression is avg etc...etc...

It's a 35k max car IMO at this time.

If anyone is interested I'll sell my VR R2 with 26k miles for 35k. It's a very nice example

If someone is willing to pay 50k for an FD at this time I say god bless but they are making a mistake when cars like this are still available: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...i-rx6-1103478/

Or this: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...build-1119704/

This: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...clean-1119463/

and: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...ntial-1119848/

That's just the top few cars listed on this forum. I'd take any of those cars over the low mileage VR touring at 30k much less 50.

 

Personally more interested in the general commentary on FDs than on that particular example. But, that car only seems to be one summer in front of the market for as long as I've known it.

That '95 base should be sold. But, the seller didn't do enough background and it rendered poorly. The other ones are great for forum junkies like us who know up from down with FDs. But, the person who always wanted and never had their own FD probably doesn't want those. They'd rather pay for a virgin.

 

Yep a virgin is worth 30k to me not 50..........

PS I seriously doubt this FD would sell for 30k at this time on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/391903450128?rmvSB=true

 

red/tan/93/touring vs silver/black/94/r2

Adam sold his modded, higher miles, sunroof, CW for $35k. I think we're going to see some more stratification of colors/options/packages going forward. I think you're right $50 is a bit out of the water this year. But, just a matter of time it seems.

I'm surprised you're such a bear on the market. It's been nothing but up, and it serves you well. As a current owner, I'm tepidly cheering it on. But, knowing it will make market re-entry and maintenance less feasible.

 

This one is likely already sold but it looks like a decent deal: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=RX7

 

Yep and Adams car was worth it for the buyer who appreciates a well setup FD. It was a clean touring CW with 15k in mods.

I won't sell my CW touring for less than 35 (has 49k miles on it) and it's setup fairly well.

YES we will see an FD sell for 50k but it won't be a 93 touring.

 

 

That video will probably get a million views or more, and help put upward pressure on prices.

 

Yep

For those that don't know the car well that's a good summary and Doug did a good job in the video.

Here's the rennlist listing: https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...quality-4.html

Things I can glean from video and also what I know about the car:

Rear carpet missing (has aftermarket replacement)

Tweeters in the doors/after market stereo which of course means the quarter panels have likely been damaged UNLESS the speakers where put in by someone who knows these cars well etc....

Short shifter based on the Doug review

Screw covers missing on the cowel so windshield likely replaced

Compression low for a well kept low mileage FD (I think it tested approx 95).

Paint is avg for mileage. I received this info and the compression #s from someone who was interested in buying it.

Car is a 2 owner car. The 2nd owner (dude who listed it anywhere and everywhere at 40k plus) likely bought and stored it but clearly didn't drive it much/title it if it still shows 1 owner.

Bottomline: this is hardly the nicest FD in the US............ although likely in the top 100.

PS: I would take Adam's old ride over this car no questions asked.

 

Over 600,000 views so far... thanks for the real history and condition of the car, Fritz!

 

He is emphasizing the 50k dollars because he is advertising for the dealership selling it. And values are all about beliefs and expectations. We call it maybe a 30k car, but if a million people see it discussed as a 50k car, maybe 40k becomes less of a stretch.

I noticed the aftermarket radio and exhaust.

I had actually emailed him a couple weeks ago and offered to let him review my 95 with 54k miles. IMO it's a cleaner car that is more original, but it's a Montego blue popular equipment package rather than a silver R2. He didn't respond to my email but now I see he was working on a video already.

 

Interesting commentary all around as I have been looking for what seems like forever for the right car and have had
regrets, near misses, and sighs of relief, but bottom line is the market is hot as of late.

In regards to the car above: why is the engine bay so damn dirty. They're claiming the car to be a well kept time capsule
yet it looks like the its been stored with the hood up in a pig pen all these years. I really like that car though, something
just seems off.

 

I know, the car is a CW which is my favorite color and I considered selling my 94 SSM to get this but after looking at the engine compartment and underbody, my current car is much cleaner and it's hard to give it up.

 

Yep it is a mess or the perfect example of a cleaned up barn find. That said you can bet someone will buy it for 30k plus and then spend another 10k addressing issues.

If it was legit though it could actually sell for 40k plus. The market is strong!

Quote from ad "Simply put this car is flawless. With just a single owner and less than 29k miles this example would put museum cars to shame. It is in perfect mechanical and cosmetic shape. The body is super straight and there are no chips or marks in the even paint."

Don't ever buy a car from those folks LOL

 

Check out this 40k gem

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Mazda-...JZ5A55&vxp=mtr

 

Fritz,

Do you know how LSX-7 prices are doing in comparison to rotary powered Rx-7's?

 

My god. How did they sell that for $42k?

 

Gordon,

That attitude has never made sense to me. I just don't get it... Because when I first drove an FD in 1998 I immediately knew it was something special. It didn't matter that it was Japanese as I knew that this car was going to be a collectible (I bought that car on the spot). But then there are a bunch of people out there that I note have spent the money to get an FD, but believe they aren't worth much. Then why did they buy it in the first place if they believe the car is a bar above worthless? Or is it that they take the car's engineering and beauty for granted?

It's not like anyone is saying these cars will be worth a 1/2 million bucks, we are just talking average collectible money (appreciation not depreciation)... Or are they just mad that their cars are pieces of crap and therefore hate on anyone that has the potential to bring in premium pricing? Like I said I don't get where that attitude comes from.

 

I think part of the reason is that as the value of the car goes up, the parts will also become more expensive. This will mean a hit in the pocket book for these RX7 owners if something does break. If you look at the older 911s forums, some of the old school 911 enthusiasts are frustrated because the cost of keeping their cars running has gone through the roof due to the appreciation of their cars.