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Old Jun 6, 2021 | 10:33 PM
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Idk, now I'm weary. That CYM on eBay just went for $36.5. Must be the leather interior trim pieces and high mileage. No wear near supra territory, mileage doesn't hurt those.
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Old Jun 6, 2021 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7
Idk, now I'm weary. That CYM on eBay just went for $36.5. Must be the leather interior trim pieces and high mileage. No wear near supra territory, mileage doesn't hurt those.
I think the price was very fair/appropriate for this one, with the high miles and hideous leather work/stiching in the interior. Probably more to discover with this one in person, judging by how filthy the engine bay looks.
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Old Jun 6, 2021 | 11:29 PM
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I wonder if it would have gone for more had it been sold on BaT with a lot more detail (assuming the detail was positive) and better pictures.
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Old Jun 6, 2021 | 11:35 PM
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I also would have expected it to sell for more than that BB on BaT which also had high miles, but an ugly tan interior. Even had the same intake.
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 04:04 PM
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$36.5k is more than the CYM on BaT from November, that one has 40k miles but accident history. Accident and paint work will drive buyer away even low mile example, without more info on body work history I actually think the price is trending higher.
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 05:44 PM
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That is one terrible looking engine bay... Even without that horrid interior, amazing that it fetched $36K.
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 05:49 PM
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That is one terrible looking engine bay... Even without that horrid interior, amazing that it fetched $36K.
Yeah, it's not that appealing, look at that IC to elbow coupler lol.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 09:42 AM
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Well, that CYM didn't actually sell. I know because i didn't hear back from the seller after submitting my deposit Sunday night and woke up today to the order being cancelled and my deposit being refunded. Reason was "out of stock or damaged". No message from the seller or anything.

Now that it is cancelled, can't find a way to leave seller feedback.

I guess it's for the best though. Only went for it just because I really don't know when another will pop up.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 09:57 AM
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That sucks that he can cancel an auction that's already ended.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 11:17 AM
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Yeah. I didn't know you could do that. Should be able to charge interest for holding my deposit for 2 days...

It's probably for the best, with a seller like that, who knows what gremlins are hiding. but I was very much looking forward to posting a picture of cutting off the leather pieces.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 12:13 PM
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Has inventory REALLY dried up this much? I've been strongly considering selling mine to help fund house projects. This isn't helping with me with wanting to keep it haha.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 12:33 PM
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There are not a lot of nice ones for sale. Most are RHD, old single turbo swaps with 15 year old ecu's, or freshly painted but different color engine bay.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 12:45 PM
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Has inventory REALLY dried up this much? I've been strongly considering selling mine to help fund house projects. This isn't helping with me with wanting to keep it haha.
Supply is indeed low. I think most good examples are transacting privately without ever hitting the open market. Most sellers don't want to deal with all the flakers and clowns that come with selling a 90s Japanese car.

Spending time within the bubble of this forum can give you impression that most FDs are in good shape and being lovingly, sympathetically restored by their owners with tasteful upgrades and modifications along the way. Venture out into FB groups or car shows and the reality is the vast majority of FDs are some combination of falling apart or modified to death. I estimate less than one in 10 of the ~5,000 US-registered FDs are stock body clean examples that still retain the sequential twins, so less than 500 total. Probably closer to 250 total for really clean cars. Make no mistake, the FD (LHD especially) is extremely rare.

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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 12:52 PM
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Good points. It took me quite a while to find my 93 Base model. I specifically didn't want a sunroof and wanted either Montego or Black. The problem is that I REALLY fear taking this thing out for a drive anymore around here. It's an accident free vehicle and I'd love to keep it that way so I've basically put like 100 miles on it in the past 3 years it's been road worthy. I love looking at it every time I open the garage but..... It's becoming harder and harder for me to justify keeping it around the Atlanta area with all our inconsiderate drivers jam packed in such a small space.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rbin9
Supply is indeed low. I think most good examples are transacting privately without ever hitting the open market. Most sellers don't want to deal with all the flakers and clowns that come with selling a 90s Japanese car.

Spending time within the bubble of this forum can give you impression that most FDs are in good shape and being lovingly, sympathetically restored by their owners with tasteful upgrades and modifications along the way. Venture out into FB groups or car shows and the reality is the vast majority of FDs are some combination of falling apart or modified to death. I estimate less than one in 10 of the ~5,000 US-registered FDs are stock body clean examples that still retain the sequential twins, so less than 500 total. Probably closer to 250 total for really clean cars. Make no mistake, the FD (LHD especially) is extremely rare.
I'd have to agree. All of the work on mine since the late 90's was done by Dave at KD Rotary/Speed1 before he closed up shop. Pretty much every year over those 20 years or so, I'd spend the better part of a day at his various shops while he did whatever was needed to my car. Invariably he'd have a bunch of other FD's on the lot and I have to say almost all of them were pretty rough. Bad body kits, trashed interiors, engine bays in disarray, etc. I can't imagine it's gotten better in the ensuing years....
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 11:09 AM
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I hope we've passed the point of peak attrition for FDs. The tuner and drift crazes are mostly past (i.e., they've moved on to newer platforms for ongoing sponsorships and factory support), so maybe some of those hacked up FDs can be salvaged and restored to a better state... by people with the actual skills and the time to do a proper job.
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 01:16 PM
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Beater FD for torture or parting up have disappeared from our market.

We even have a few examples of imports from the US! Viva the strong C$!

Watch for the wealth effect of stronger oil, lumber and copper prices.

We are emerging from the woods!

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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RX7gp
I'd have to agree. All of the work on mine since the late 90's was done by Dave at KD Rotary/Speed1 before he closed up shop. Pretty much every year over those 20 years or so, I'd spend the better part of a day at his various shops while he did whatever was needed to my car. Invariably he'd have a bunch of other FD's on the lot and I have to say almost all of them were pretty rough. Bad body kits, trashed interiors, engine bays in disarray, etc. I can't imagine it's gotten better in the ensuing years....
That's why it took me 20+ years to buy an FD.

I was 8 years old when I first saw an FD and I knew I had to have one. By 13-14, I was one of the most active on this forum while it was still in its infancy. I consumed as much content and knowledge available at the time. I was obsessed. By 16 in the early 2000s, after looking at as many as possible locally and seeing complete and utter POS after POS...the dream started to fade. I accepted the fact that an FD was just not a suitable or realistic car for a 16 year-old with no experience wrenching on cars, even though I was well resourced. I realized finding a clean FD, let alone an SSM R2 that I wanted, would require a national search, and that just wasn't in the cards at 16. I was devastated beyond a level I'm comfortable to admit. Then my arch nemesis jimlab paid to have me booted off here and the rest is history.

Fast forward to early 2018, and after a conversation with my brother who just had a baby who is unlikely to experience what "real sports cars" are like by the time he's driving age...it hit me. Hard. I have the money, time, and space for a garage queen, and it will be an FD. When I set out to search for the cleanest 94-95 SSM, VR, or CW FD available, I was expecting it to take months. It took 15 minutes and I wired the money that day. Two weeks later, some say there was a grown man bawling his eyes out watching his SSM R2 being unloaded off a truck.

I'm glad I didn't get one off Autotrader or Craigslist at 16. I'm glad so many FDs are junk. If it were any different, my experience would not be the same and it's unlikely I'd have one now.
Old Jun 10, 2021 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 94 R2
That's why it took me 20+ years to buy an FD.

I was 8 years old when I first saw an FD and I knew I had to have one. By 13-14, I was one of the most active on this forum while it was still in its infancy. I consumed as much content and knowledge available at the time. I was obsessed. By 16 in the early 2000s, after looking at as many as possible locally and seeing complete and utter POS after POS...the dream started to fade. I accepted the fact that an FD was just not a suitable or realistic car for a 16 year-old with no experience wrenching on cars, even though I was well resourced. I realized finding a clean FD, let alone an SSM R2 that I wanted, would require a national search, and that just wasn't in the cards at 16. I was devastated beyond a level I'm comfortable to admit. Then my arch nemesis jimlab paid to have me booted off here and the rest is history.

Fast forward to early 2018, and after a conversation with my brother who just had a baby who is unlikely to experience what "real sports cars" are like by the time he's driving age...it hit me. Hard. I have the money, time, and space for a garage queen, and it will be an FD. When I set out to search for the cleanest 94-95 SSM, VR, or CW FD available, I was expecting it to take months. It took 15 minutes and I wired the money that day. Two weeks later, some say there was a grown man bawling his eyes out watching his SSM R2 being unloaded off a truck.

I'm glad I didn't get one off Autotrader or Craigslist at 16. I'm glad so many FDs are junk. If it were any different, my experience would not be the same and it's unlikely I'd have one now.
I felt this story so hard. Been on this forum since I was in high school. Got my '95 in 2017. I feel like we could be friends lol

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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 94 R2
That's why it took me 20+ years to buy an FD.

I was 8 years old when I first saw an FD and I knew I had to have one. By 13-14, Then my arch nemesis jimlab paid to have me booted off here and the rest is history.
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I don't know if I have liked someone more, that I haven't met, than you once reading you were trolling jimlab before you could legally drive. That is FN classic and I love it.
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 09:29 PM
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 09:56 PM
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 10:51 PM
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Is Jim lab different than Joe Maddox? I'm lost haha
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Old Jun 11, 2021 | 07:06 AM
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What's the back story, the only thing I know about Jim Lab is his bushing kit as I wasn't that active on the forum until ~2010.
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Old Jun 11, 2021 | 08:20 AM
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What's the back story, the only thing I know about Jim Lab is his bushing kit as I wasn't that active on the forum until ~2010.
Search! there are some pretty epic old threads (i couldn't find) where Jimlab gets into it with people like BATMAN or there was this kid Joe something, or actually anyone. weird combo of abrasiveness and knowledge
he pulled his FD apart to do a 3 rotor (in like 1998! and ended up selling the engine to RETed) and then decided to go V8, with like an LT-1 (this was early 2000's), and then LS1 and then something else. it was quite clear he was just polishing stuff in the garage (which is 100% fine) although he kept up the "i'm going to be faster/better soon" stuff and then sold the car.

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