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10-25-02, 12:59 PM
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If the forum was fine the way it is, then we wouldn't have a post as comprehensive as this one. The original thread would immediately die off.
I said that policing was "one" way to remedy the problem. Also, I said it would solve "some" of the problem, not all of it.
I said that policing was "one" way to remedy the problem. Also, I said it would solve "some" of the problem, not all of it.
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10-25-02, 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by matty
While i agree that some policing is necessary...it is not going to correct the problem completely. The forum is fine the way it is.
While i agree that some policing is necessary...it is not going to correct the problem completely. The forum is fine the way it is.
Your "just ignore it" sentiment works fine in the lounge. The lounge is not expected to be serious. In the 3rd Gen. Specific area, and others like it, posts are expected to be a of a more serious, and usually technical nature. The frivilous posts that are OK in the lounge cause problems here, because they scroll legitimate requests for information or help off the first page, where they're more likely to get the attention they need. Apparently you missed that distinction.
Even if you don't "have" to read the frivilous posts, that doesn't mean that their mere existence hasn't caused legitimate posts to go unanswered. The people who are here for help should have a fair expectation of receiving the attention they need if they post in the correct forum. Why should others be allowed to ruin that for them?
If the custodians of the forum want to have a lounge for all the kiddies to play in, that's fine. Keeping the kiddies in the nursery and out of the "adult" sections of the forum is what we're talking about here. The forum is "fine the way it is" for you because you haven't been directly affected by the riff-raff, apparently. If you stop and think about other people for a second, you might change your opinion.
10-25-02, 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Jason
What about creating an Advanced Tech Section in each of the Generation sections? We can try to keep the good tech questions in there along with moving some of the older questions. I think that our General Rotary Tech section is to broad.
Jason
What about creating an Advanced Tech Section in each of the Generation sections? We can try to keep the good tech questions in there along with moving some of the older questions. I think that our General Rotary Tech section is to broad.
Jason
10-25-02, 02:00 PM
#106
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Originally posted by R1Outcast
I agree that we're pretty bad when it comes to lounge-type material. But to be honest we're a lot better than other forums out there. I'm a member of a corvette forum, mustang forum, and honda-acura forum (the worst), and the majority of their posts are just to ask opinions on body kits, tires, etc. followed by 100+ posts of people making dumb and childish remarks. I even posted to the honda-acura forum a suggestion that they try to use non-vulgar words to get their point across, because every other post seemed to contain a curse word.
I agree that we're pretty bad when it comes to lounge-type material. But to be honest we're a lot better than other forums out there. I'm a member of a corvette forum, mustang forum, and honda-acura forum (the worst), and the majority of their posts are just to ask opinions on body kits, tires, etc. followed by 100+ posts of people making dumb and childish remarks. I even posted to the honda-acura forum a suggestion that they try to use non-vulgar words to get their point across, because every other post seemed to contain a curse word.
10-25-02, 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Why sure it is, Mr. Liberal. And by the way, exactly how much have you donated to keep the forum running so that the jackasses can post whatever they feel like?
Your "just ignore it" sentiment works fine in the lounge. The lounge is not expected to be serious. In the 3rd Gen. Specific area, and others like it, posts are expected to be a of a more serious, and usually technical nature. The frivilous posts that are OK in the lounge cause problems here, because they scroll legitimate requests for information or help off the first page, where they're more likely to get the attention they need. Apparently you missed that distinction.
Even if you don't "have" to read the frivilous posts, that doesn't mean that their mere existence hasn't caused legitimate posts to go unanswered. The people who are here for help should have a fair expectation of receiving the attention they need if they post in the correct forum. Why should others be allowed to ruin that for them?
If the custodians of the forum want to have a lounge for all the kiddies to play in, that's fine. Keeping the kiddies in the nursery and out of the "adult" sections of the forum is what we're talking about here. The forum is "fine the way it is" for you because you haven't been directly affected by the riff-raff, apparently. If you stop and think about other people for a second, you might change your opinion.
Why sure it is, Mr. Liberal. And by the way, exactly how much have you donated to keep the forum running so that the jackasses can post whatever they feel like?
Your "just ignore it" sentiment works fine in the lounge. The lounge is not expected to be serious. In the 3rd Gen. Specific area, and others like it, posts are expected to be a of a more serious, and usually technical nature. The frivilous posts that are OK in the lounge cause problems here, because they scroll legitimate requests for information or help off the first page, where they're more likely to get the attention they need. Apparently you missed that distinction.
Even if you don't "have" to read the frivilous posts, that doesn't mean that their mere existence hasn't caused legitimate posts to go unanswered. The people who are here for help should have a fair expectation of receiving the attention they need if they post in the correct forum. Why should others be allowed to ruin that for them?
If the custodians of the forum want to have a lounge for all the kiddies to play in, that's fine. Keeping the kiddies in the nursery and out of the "adult" sections of the forum is what we're talking about here. The forum is "fine the way it is" for you because you haven't been directly affected by the riff-raff, apparently. If you stop and think about other people for a second, you might change your opinion.
Wow this is mirroring the world's politic's...there are democrats and there are republicans..i think its funny
10-25-02, 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Why sure it is, Mr. Liberal. And by the way, exactly how much have you donated to keep the forum running so that the jackasses can post whatever they feel like?
Why sure it is, Mr. Liberal. And by the way, exactly how much have you donated to keep the forum running so that the jackasses can post whatever they feel like?
10-25-02, 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by matty
I think that an attempt to control people as to what an individal would like to express will only be a waste of time. Of course you can curb it to a degree but there will always be something that you dont like being posted. Why b/c ppeople are different..what they feel as being acceptable info you may not. Maybe they are right maybe you are right.
Wow this is mirroring the world's politic's...there are democrats and there are republicans..i think its funny
I think that an attempt to control people as to what an individal would like to express will only be a waste of time. Of course you can curb it to a degree but there will always be something that you dont like being posted. Why b/c ppeople are different..what they feel as being acceptable info you may not. Maybe they are right maybe you are right.
Wow this is mirroring the world's politic's...there are democrats and there are republicans..i think its funny
I'm not sure if you've ever tried to use the search feature, but please do. Pick a topic. Like, spark plugs for example. See how many different posts pop up regarding that one topic alone.
The whole reason why we're trying to establish some sort of rules is to clean up the garbage. It will make the forum a much more valuable resource. Currently, the forum is like a grocery store w/o an organization. You ask for apples. You get a crate full of apples. The problem is that the apples are all mixed together. (Washington Red, Yellow, Green, etc.). It would be nice to have one box of essentially red apples, one box of yellow, etc. Get the picture?
10-25-02, 02:24 PM
#110
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Jim i am not disagreeing with you that it is more fruitful to have the 3 rdgen area that is more "serious" but the fact of the matter is that a sampling of today's Fd owners is alot different then a sample of fd owners in 1995. The demographics have changed. It is different now....anybody could afford the car and as a result a younger crowd is introduced.
My opinion is that any attempt to clean this forum up would just waste time and cause posts about moderators having too much control and censorship...noone likes to be censored.
My opinion is that any attempt to clean this forum up would just waste time and cause posts about moderators having too much control and censorship...noone likes to be censored.
10-25-02, 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Why sure it is, Mr. Liberal. And by the way, exactly how much have you donated to keep the forum running so that the jackasses can post whatever they feel like?
Your "just ignore it" sentiment works fine in the lounge. The lounge is not expected to be serious. In the 3rd Gen. Specific area, and others like it, posts are expected to be a of a more serious, and usually technical nature. The frivilous posts that are OK in the lounge cause problems here, because they scroll legitimate requests for information or help off the first page, where they're more likely to get the attention they need. Apparently you missed that distinction.
Even if you don't "have" to read the frivilous posts, that doesn't mean that their mere existence hasn't caused legitimate posts to go unanswered. The people who are here for help should have a fair expectation of receiving the attention they need if they post in the correct forum. Why should others be allowed to ruin that for them?
If the custodians of the forum want to have a lounge for all the kiddies to play in, that's fine. Keeping the kiddies in the nursery and out of the "adult" sections of the forum is what we're talking about here. The forum is "fine the way it is" for you because you haven't been directly affected by the riff-raff, apparently. If you stop and think about other people for a second, you might change your opinion.
Why sure it is, Mr. Liberal. And by the way, exactly how much have you donated to keep the forum running so that the jackasses can post whatever they feel like?
Your "just ignore it" sentiment works fine in the lounge. The lounge is not expected to be serious. In the 3rd Gen. Specific area, and others like it, posts are expected to be a of a more serious, and usually technical nature. The frivilous posts that are OK in the lounge cause problems here, because they scroll legitimate requests for information or help off the first page, where they're more likely to get the attention they need. Apparently you missed that distinction.
Even if you don't "have" to read the frivilous posts, that doesn't mean that their mere existence hasn't caused legitimate posts to go unanswered. The people who are here for help should have a fair expectation of receiving the attention they need if they post in the correct forum. Why should others be allowed to ruin that for them?
If the custodians of the forum want to have a lounge for all the kiddies to play in, that's fine. Keeping the kiddies in the nursery and out of the "adult" sections of the forum is what we're talking about here. The forum is "fine the way it is" for you because you haven't been directly affected by the riff-raff, apparently. If you stop and think about other people for a second, you might change your opinion.
matty, you are totaly missing the point. the 3rd gen section should not be what "people feel". it is/should be about information. technical info.
10-25-02, 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by matty
My opinion is that any attempt to clean this forum up would just waste time and cause posts about moderators having too much control and censorship...noone likes to be censored.
My opinion is that any attempt to clean this forum up would just waste time and cause posts about moderators having too much control and censorship...noone likes to be censored.
10-25-02, 02:31 PM
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and you all are missing mine....
fine i see the value of cleaning it up...restrict my rights as an american.....lol..joking. I like breaking it down idea....3rdgen tech 3rd gen lounge.
fine i see the value of cleaning it up...restrict my rights as an american.....lol..joking. I like breaking it down idea....3rdgen tech 3rd gen lounge.
10-25-02, 02:31 PM
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There must still be a set of rules to govern where posts should go. Without any moderation, this forum would turn to chaos.
I'm not sure if you remember, but there was a post in the lounge entitled (not exact): "Wanna wreak havoc on a forum w/ no moderation?"
Now, if that was here, the forum kids would totally destroy this place.
I'd rather have this place become a smooth running machine capable of 8 seconds passes than a clunker w/ mickey moused bolt ons capable of 15+ second passes.
I'm not sure if you remember, but there was a post in the lounge entitled (not exact): "Wanna wreak havoc on a forum w/ no moderation?"
Now, if that was here, the forum kids would totally destroy this place.
I'd rather have this place become a smooth running machine capable of 8 seconds passes than a clunker w/ mickey moused bolt ons capable of 15+ second passes.
10-25-02, 02:31 PM
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matty. here is an example of a thread that does not need to be in a technical section? do you belong to the biglist? do you know anyone on it? could you maybe have emailed them and asked?
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=126911
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=126911
10-25-02, 02:35 PM
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no really i see your points..you guys are right. Just going to be difficult. There needs to be a civil war....get ready.
yes i belong to the list. Tthat was a great post...made me lol...8 second passes.
yes i belong to the list. Tthat was a great post...made me lol...8 second passes.
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10-25-02, 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by matty
Jason is a sponser of the forum...i buy alot of my stuff from jason....I spent around $1800. It is indirect but in a sense i am contributing to the forum
Jason is a sponser of the forum...i buy alot of my stuff from jason....I spent around $1800. It is indirect but in a sense i am contributing to the forum
Let alone the number of FD customers (most of which aren't even taking up bandwidth on this forum) I have sent to Jason.....
I wonder just how many and how much have people contributed $$$$ to the forum via Jason's Store?
10-25-02, 02:39 PM
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i promise you i meant to post that to the lounge i could have sworn i did...what happen...whats going on...i think posts were crossed poeple were responding with ppics of rims...
I did ask people on the tri club if the big list was down i got one response so i asked here..whast the big deal abouut that...it should have been in the lounge...i am at work while i post i must have made an error in haste
I did ask people on the tri club if the big list was down i got one response so i asked here..whast the big deal abouut that...it should have been in the lounge...i am at work while i post i must have made an error in haste
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10-25-02, 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by matty
wait a sec that was my post and i promise you i meant to post that to the lounge i could have sworn i did...what happen...whats going on
wait a sec that was my post and i promise you i meant to post that to the lounge i could have sworn i did...what happen...whats going on
10-25-02, 02:50 PM
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I agree that the Lounge is what the Lounge is. BUt Lounge posts shouldn't be in the Tech or more serious section where people are seriously trying to obtain answers to tech questions that they may have.....
.... Which explains why I am hardly here
.... Which explains why I am hardly here
10-25-02, 03:09 PM
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Well, I'll put in my $.02....
When it comes to cars, I'm a n00b, and will always be a n00b. I know just enough about the FD to be dangerous. However, I do get tired of seeing the same posts over and over again. I imagine is much worse for the members that have been here since the beginning.
I really hate the posts like:
"How much HP will this give me"
"What will be my 1/4 mile times"
"What's the max HP on an RX-7"
and the list goes on... IMO, those are Lounge/General Automotive questions. Granted they are specific for 3rd gens, but they really aren't "technical" questions.
Message forums are only as good as their members and moderators. IMO, they need to work together to make the forum good. If you see posts like these, report them. No moderator is going to see every post. But just as the members need to take responsibility, so do the moderators. As posts are reported, they need to handle them (whether they are moved or deleted).
If these posts stay in the forum (as they have been) then everyone assumes it's ok and post more junk. I believe if *everyone* begins to restrict the 3rd gen section to technical questions, then a difference can be made.
For instance, there is a thread now "Talon vs. Rx-7", that IMO seems like a General Automotive topic....
I'll do my part and begin reporting more posts. What is everyone else going to do to try and help out?
When it comes to cars, I'm a n00b, and will always be a n00b. I know just enough about the FD to be dangerous. However, I do get tired of seeing the same posts over and over again. I imagine is much worse for the members that have been here since the beginning.
I really hate the posts like:
"How much HP will this give me"
"What will be my 1/4 mile times"
"What's the max HP on an RX-7"
and the list goes on... IMO, those are Lounge/General Automotive questions. Granted they are specific for 3rd gens, but they really aren't "technical" questions.
Message forums are only as good as their members and moderators. IMO, they need to work together to make the forum good. If you see posts like these, report them. No moderator is going to see every post. But just as the members need to take responsibility, so do the moderators. As posts are reported, they need to handle them (whether they are moved or deleted).
If these posts stay in the forum (as they have been) then everyone assumes it's ok and post more junk. I believe if *everyone* begins to restrict the 3rd gen section to technical questions, then a difference can be made.
For instance, there is a thread now "Talon vs. Rx-7", that IMO seems like a General Automotive topic....
I'll do my part and begin reporting more posts. What is everyone else going to do to try and help out?
10-25-02, 03:56 PM
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"again. i agree with it all.
matty, you are totaly missing the point. the 3rd gen section should not be what "people feel". it is/should be about information. technical info."
-rxrotary2_7
I agree that this is the way it should be but you are forgetting that this whole forum is a front for the rx7 store. So why would Jason be motivated to kick guys out of his store front. Especially uninformed guys who are ready to drop a grand on a power Fc or 3 grand on a turbo kit that they either don't need yet or don't know how to install. I think that the 3rd gen should be strictly tech advice or product revies and/or comparisons but the fact remains. The rx7club/forum is here for one reason and one reason only ..To Move product and make money.
I wish that it wasn't the case but it is.
matty, you are totaly missing the point. the 3rd gen section should not be what "people feel". it is/should be about information. technical info."
-rxrotary2_7
I agree that this is the way it should be but you are forgetting that this whole forum is a front for the rx7 store. So why would Jason be motivated to kick guys out of his store front. Especially uninformed guys who are ready to drop a grand on a power Fc or 3 grand on a turbo kit that they either don't need yet or don't know how to install. I think that the 3rd gen should be strictly tech advice or product revies and/or comparisons but the fact remains. The rx7club/forum is here for one reason and one reason only ..To Move product and make money.
I wish that it wasn't the case but it is.
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10-25-02, 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
The frivilous posts that are OK in the lounge cause problems here, because they scroll legitimate requests for information or help off the first page, where they're more likely to get the attention they need. Apparently you missed that distinction.
Even if you don't "have" to read the frivilous posts, that doesn't mean that their mere existence hasn't caused legitimate posts to go unanswered. The people who are here for help should have a fair expectation of receiving the attention they need if they post in the correct forum. Why should others be allowed to ruin that for them?
The frivilous posts that are OK in the lounge cause problems here, because they scroll legitimate requests for information or help off the first page, where they're more likely to get the attention they need. Apparently you missed that distinction.
Even if you don't "have" to read the frivilous posts, that doesn't mean that their mere existence hasn't caused legitimate posts to go unanswered. The people who are here for help should have a fair expectation of receiving the attention they need if they post in the correct forum. Why should others be allowed to ruin that for them?
Just last week I posted a question in here looking for advice to get my car started. Knowing damn well it probably wasn't going to get much visibility, I posted the same question in the Single Turbo section. Low and behold, within a day my post was deep into the third page without a single response. The same question in the single turbo section (where it DID NOT BELONG) yielded several responses fairly quickly.
This isnt about freedom of speech or any of that bullshit. I don't care what the ******* constitution says. Freedom of speech doesn't allow you to walk into a crowded theater and yell FIRE!! Just as it doesn't allow you to post bullshit in here!! Haha....
