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10-24-02, 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
More importantly, some people are merely here for their own amusement, at the expense of the forum, and some of them don't even have the common decency to own RX-7s...
More importantly, some people are merely here for their own amusement, at the expense of the forum, and some of them don't even have the common decency to own RX-7s...
The downward spiral of this section kind started when Johnny went AWOL. Then all the stupid **** started to pop up in this section(ie Post pictures of this kit and and these wheels kinda crap). I'd like to see a section like was suggested above. I'm sure it would turn out to be some interesting reading.
10-24-02, 03:03 PM
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Teddy is right! This forum needs a little more common sense and a little less laziness in regards to searching before asking a question.
Oh, I almost forgot. What are the biggest rims you can fit on an FD?
Oh, I almost forgot. What are the biggest rims you can fit on an FD?
10-24-02, 03:04 PM
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Hi. Newbie request. PLEASE make a seperate FD (and the others too while you're at it!) section that deals with RELEVANT information, or transfer the extraneous to a different location. I search and read this forum daily, looking for the answers to my questions and learning the pitfalls that await (a NON-LINEAR temp gauge? On a turbo car? From the FACTORY? The height of bizarre!). I have attempted to only post a couple new threads because I wanted to say hi. I answer those threads I feel I'm qualified to make a comment about. If you guys read a comment I make and think I oughta shut my ignorant mouth (fingers?) PLEASE tell me. I have the utmost respect for those who've answered the interminably difficult minutae pertaining to one of the very most complex production vehicles ever made. I REALLY want to keep that resource available, and wish to begin to contribute myself, but only when I have something reasonably intelligent to write.
Bottom line, make the new section, EXPLICITLY state it's purpose, let those contribute who wish, remove those threads that are extraneous, and politely let those who are not productive know that they are considered so when they try a new post. Give 'em a week to think it over. You'll weed out the chaff pretty quick, and retain the ability to see technical stuff when we (I!!!) need it.
Thanks for being here at all! Makes my ownership of my absolute dream car (and I'm 32, so I've been dreaming for awhile!) MUCH easier.
Bottom line, make the new section, EXPLICITLY state it's purpose, let those contribute who wish, remove those threads that are extraneous, and politely let those who are not productive know that they are considered so when they try a new post. Give 'em a week to think it over. You'll weed out the chaff pretty quick, and retain the ability to see technical stuff when we (I!!!) need it.
Thanks for being here at all! Makes my ownership of my absolute dream car (and I'm 32, so I've been dreaming for awhile!) MUCH easier.
10-24-02, 03:33 PM
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I'm a newbie. Just joined this site recently. Bought my first RX7, new, in 1982. Sold it this year, after purchasing a 94 FD. I built and autocrossed a CSP 79 for 10 years. There is a lot of good information here, but a lot of garbage too. I support the separate "Serious section" even if you won't let me post on it. After all, i'm a newbie.
10-24-02, 04:21 PM
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Well, this is what I have to say. I'm not sure if this was suggested before (maybe it has).
If you are thinking about creating what is essentially a Beginner's area and a Advanced area, I don't think that will solve the problem. Reason being is that this is exactly what is on the Freshalloy.com forum (in the 240sx area). The beginners area still gets an enormous amount of ridiculous questions.
What is the best intake?
Where can I get the best deal?
Anyone have pics of a "X" colored car w/ "Y" colored wheels?
What is this body kit?
Anyone have pics of "X" body kit?
Heck, these questions plague this forum (not just this section). I'm totally sick of it.
There is another forum (I think the SR20 guys) where newbies can ONLY view posts for say...30 days. That way, they can learn etiquette as well as ensure that they have some point of reference. After the 30 days...those newbies are allowed the opportunity to post questions.
This, IMO, would be a more effective solution. It is sort of like initiation (except it is painless).
An "invitation only" forum area will detract from the general accessibility of a public forum. The problem is that how will anyone ensure that this "invitation only" area doesn't become a "friends" only area? (As mentioned by a previous post). This problem alone would create a conflict w/ individuals who may desire to be recognized as a "veteran", but were overlooked and subsequently never invited.
As TTT said, this forum needs more common sense. Some questions like, (what do you think about "x" colored wheels w/ my body kit), are completely based on an individual's preference. Some people like it, others don't. At least w/ the (who makes the best intake) question, the results from a magazine article produced results, which hold some sort of merit (albeit biased, but there are undeniable results).
What is needed is a basic picture gallery showing the various manufacturer's body kits, wheels, upgrades, etc. Or to simplify it further (and not require as much bandwidth), I would suggest a page showing links to the various manufacturers. For example:
Body kits:
FEED Website
C-West Website
Wheels:
Fikse
Ray's
Or do a GIANT links page of manufacturers only.
I know this can get comprehensive, but after the list is compiled, that should cut down on the number of questions of: what is this? What is that? Where can I get it?
Also, POST SUBJECTS should always say what the article pertains to. I hate it when people say..."I need help quick!". Doesn't everyone want help quick? I don't see why people can't title their post relevant to the topic.
My enjoyment of the forum has certainly depleted quite a lot within the past year. I find that there are a lot of repeative posts and quite frankly, I have thought about leaving the forum. I just want my total enjoyment of the forum to return. I have some more suggestions, but those are the main ones that I can think of at the moment.
For reasons explained above, I am against the "invitation only" idea. I will try to come up w/ what I deem to be a better solution and will post it later for evaluation.
If you are thinking about creating what is essentially a Beginner's area and a Advanced area, I don't think that will solve the problem. Reason being is that this is exactly what is on the Freshalloy.com forum (in the 240sx area). The beginners area still gets an enormous amount of ridiculous questions.
What is the best intake?
Where can I get the best deal?
Anyone have pics of a "X" colored car w/ "Y" colored wheels?
What is this body kit?
Anyone have pics of "X" body kit?
Heck, these questions plague this forum (not just this section). I'm totally sick of it.
There is another forum (I think the SR20 guys) where newbies can ONLY view posts for say...30 days. That way, they can learn etiquette as well as ensure that they have some point of reference. After the 30 days...those newbies are allowed the opportunity to post questions.
This, IMO, would be a more effective solution. It is sort of like initiation (except it is painless).
An "invitation only" forum area will detract from the general accessibility of a public forum. The problem is that how will anyone ensure that this "invitation only" area doesn't become a "friends" only area? (As mentioned by a previous post). This problem alone would create a conflict w/ individuals who may desire to be recognized as a "veteran", but were overlooked and subsequently never invited.
As TTT said, this forum needs more common sense. Some questions like, (what do you think about "x" colored wheels w/ my body kit), are completely based on an individual's preference. Some people like it, others don't. At least w/ the (who makes the best intake) question, the results from a magazine article produced results, which hold some sort of merit (albeit biased, but there are undeniable results).
What is needed is a basic picture gallery showing the various manufacturer's body kits, wheels, upgrades, etc. Or to simplify it further (and not require as much bandwidth), I would suggest a page showing links to the various manufacturers. For example:
Body kits:
FEED Website
C-West Website
Wheels:
Fikse
Ray's
Or do a GIANT links page of manufacturers only.
I know this can get comprehensive, but after the list is compiled, that should cut down on the number of questions of: what is this? What is that? Where can I get it?
Also, POST SUBJECTS should always say what the article pertains to. I hate it when people say..."I need help quick!". Doesn't everyone want help quick? I don't see why people can't title their post relevant to the topic.
My enjoyment of the forum has certainly depleted quite a lot within the past year. I find that there are a lot of repeative posts and quite frankly, I have thought about leaving the forum. I just want my total enjoyment of the forum to return. I have some more suggestions, but those are the main ones that I can think of at the moment.
For reasons explained above, I am against the "invitation only" idea. I will try to come up w/ what I deem to be a better solution and will post it later for evaluation.
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10-24-02, 04:58 PM
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Make a post limit before "newbies" can post in the 3rd gen section. Allow them to read and search it, but not post until they have like 30 posts or something. This would encourage them to actually use a "Newb" forum, and would be a place where experts could go when they are feeling generous with their knowledge of FD fundamentals.
10-24-02, 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Leprechaun
Make a post limit before "newbies" can post in the 3rd gen section. Allow them to read and search it, but not post until they have like 30 posts or something. This would encourage them to actually use a "Newb" forum, and would be a place where experts could go when they are feeling generous with their knowledge of FD fundamentals.
Make a post limit before "newbies" can post in the 3rd gen section. Allow them to read and search it, but not post until they have like 30 posts or something. This would encourage them to actually use a "Newb" forum, and would be a place where experts could go when they are feeling generous with their knowledge of FD fundamentals.
The problem is spread throughout the entire forum.
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10-24-02, 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Leprechaun
Make a post limit before "newbies" can post in the 3rd gen section. Allow them to read and search it, but not post until they have like 30 posts or something. This would encourage them to actually use a "Newb" forum, and would be a place where experts could go when they are feeling generous with their knowledge of FD fundamentals.
Make a post limit before "newbies" can post in the 3rd gen section. Allow them to read and search it, but not post until they have like 30 posts or something. This would encourage them to actually use a "Newb" forum, and would be a place where experts could go when they are feeling generous with their knowledge of FD fundamentals.
I think close attention should be paid to what the most knowledgable veterans want because it is their advice I value the most, so I don't want to see them leave.
Shouldn't all the "show me this body kit with these wheels" posts be in the interior/exterior/audio forum? If this forum were dedicated to technical discussion, half the problem would be solved.
10-24-02, 05:14 PM
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What worries me about a completely seperate section is that it will end up just like when we had a seperate Tech section for the 3rd gen section.
What of the possiblity of including 'restricted' threads among the regular threads in the 3rd gen section? Keeping with the idea mentioned earlier, only established members (meaning members that we can count on to meaningfully contribute) can post to these restricted threads (but everyone can still read).
This way there will not be two sections to browse, keeping things simpler - and using some sort of filter or sort feature (of which a general type already exists at the bottom), those that do not wish to read non-restricted threads can filter/sort them out.
I still have concerns on how 'restricted post' members are to be determined. As was said, post count should mean little (or not at all) in determining who can post/participate to these threads.
I've seen some with only a few posts that can articulate themselves well and post meaningful subects, and I've seen others (really only one person comes to mind, hehe) with insanely high post counts that do little for the Forum.
What of the possiblity of including 'restricted' threads among the regular threads in the 3rd gen section? Keeping with the idea mentioned earlier, only established members (meaning members that we can count on to meaningfully contribute) can post to these restricted threads (but everyone can still read).
This way there will not be two sections to browse, keeping things simpler - and using some sort of filter or sort feature (of which a general type already exists at the bottom), those that do not wish to read non-restricted threads can filter/sort them out.
I still have concerns on how 'restricted post' members are to be determined. As was said, post count should mean little (or not at all) in determining who can post/participate to these threads.
I've seen some with only a few posts that can articulate themselves well and post meaningful subects, and I've seen others (really only one person comes to mind, hehe) with insanely high post counts that do little for the Forum.
10-24-02, 05:16 PM
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It's probably a crazy idea, but could the reason why this place has gone to **** be partly because the tech suport section got amalgamated in? If you took out that stuff along with the bullshit that mods never bothered to move like:
Why did my buddy that goes by LOI on the forums get BANNED????
What's Up With The Photo Gallery...
blowoff valves (this one ***** me the most)
Rx7 Pictures?
Top 10 Driving mistakes
etc. I could clear out half of page 1 in no time.
Don't get me wrong the tech support stuff is fine, it's just that the place looked more factual without the questions. That's partly because most people couldnt be fucked posting what was wrong when they finally fix it, making the whole post useless for anyone doing a search.
The one thing I would kill for would be an info/how-to section. The only thing that gets posted would be detailed descriptions of what you did and/or how you did it. At the moment all the good stuff is spread all over the web and occasionally buried in here, somewhere.
-pete
Why did my buddy that goes by LOI on the forums get BANNED????
What's Up With The Photo Gallery...
blowoff valves (this one ***** me the most)
Rx7 Pictures?
Top 10 Driving mistakes
etc. I could clear out half of page 1 in no time.
Don't get me wrong the tech support stuff is fine, it's just that the place looked more factual without the questions. That's partly because most people couldnt be fucked posting what was wrong when they finally fix it, making the whole post useless for anyone doing a search.
The one thing I would kill for would be an info/how-to section. The only thing that gets posted would be detailed descriptions of what you did and/or how you did it. At the moment all the good stuff is spread all over the web and occasionally buried in here, somewhere.
-pete
10-24-02, 05:21 PM
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Actually, I may have come up w/ a solution for the Suspension/Wheels section or Interior/Exterior section or the Single Turbo area, etc.
Take the suspension/wheels section for example. What is a member asks a question regarding wheel sizing? For example, what are the widest wheels I can run on my car? Initially, we do not know what car he drives (w/o clicking on the post).
Can there be a check box so that when we create the post, we can also click on what chassis the post pertains to?
For example, when I click on the Wheels section, it will list all of the posts. But somewhere close to the post, it should say FD or FC or FB, etc? That would help w/ classifying the question to a specific car.
What do you guys think?
This sort of "indicator" would not apply to the 3rd gen or 2nd gen section, but can be modified to work in a similar manner.
Take the suspension/wheels section for example. What is a member asks a question regarding wheel sizing? For example, what are the widest wheels I can run on my car? Initially, we do not know what car he drives (w/o clicking on the post).
Can there be a check box so that when we create the post, we can also click on what chassis the post pertains to?
For example, when I click on the Wheels section, it will list all of the posts. But somewhere close to the post, it should say FD or FC or FB, etc? That would help w/ classifying the question to a specific car.
What do you guys think?
This sort of "indicator" would not apply to the 3rd gen or 2nd gen section, but can be modified to work in a similar manner.
10-24-02, 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by DomFD3S
Actually, I may have come up w/ a solution for the Suspension/Wheels section or Interior/Exterior section or the Single Turbo area, etc.
Take the suspension/wheels section for example. What is a member asks a question regarding wheel sizing? For example, what are the widest wheels I can run on my car? Initially, we do not know what car he drives (w/o clicking on the post).
Can there be a check box so that when we create the post, we can also click on what chassis the post pertains to?
For example, when I click on the Wheels section, it will list all of the posts. But somewhere close to the post, it should say FD or FC or FB, etc? That would help w/ classifying the question to a specific car.
What do you guys think?
This sort of "indicator" would not apply to the 3rd gen or 2nd gen section, but can be modified to work in a similar manner.
Actually, I may have come up w/ a solution for the Suspension/Wheels section or Interior/Exterior section or the Single Turbo area, etc.
Take the suspension/wheels section for example. What is a member asks a question regarding wheel sizing? For example, what are the widest wheels I can run on my car? Initially, we do not know what car he drives (w/o clicking on the post).
Can there be a check box so that when we create the post, we can also click on what chassis the post pertains to?
For example, when I click on the Wheels section, it will list all of the posts. But somewhere close to the post, it should say FD or FC or FB, etc? That would help w/ classifying the question to a specific car.
What do you guys think?
This sort of "indicator" would not apply to the 3rd gen or 2nd gen section, but can be modified to work in a similar manner.
That is my theory as to why the 3rd gen Tech section went away. Either people were too lazy to go to that section to post tech questions (posting those questions in the regular 3rd gen section), or people were too lazy to go visit it period.
Daniel
10-24-02, 05:41 PM
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First off it is amazing to me that the first time around this topic only got 1/2 a page of responses, Now 6 months later it gets 2 1/2 pages in less than 2 days Just shows hou much the forum has grown! and how much we all care about keeping it the best OPEN forum on the net. I DO NOT agree with any kind of restricted posting area, it is our very openess that has made this forum the wonderfull success that it is. However I do think the Mods could be more agressiving about moving/deleting irevelant/inappropriate threads and posts. We all as forum members can help out the mods by reporting the garbage post as we see them (use the "Report this post to a Moderator" link in the lower rt hand corner of the posts!) A better NewBe and/or FAQ section would help some. Also it would be nice if the mods could be more agressive with banning posters that come on the forums just to FLAME.
10-24-02, 05:57 PM
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Here's just an idea (and I'm new so I know it doesn't really count )
3rd gen section split into 3 sections:
3rd gen "lounge" - all BS posts, just so long as they pertain to 3rd gens.
3rd gen "diagnosis" - where people can post their "what's this noise?, where's my boost?" questions, and (hopefully) veterans will lend their experience, or point them to the....
3rd gen "FAQ/how-to" - where we collectively start a resource for walk-throughs of how to do stuff, from changing oil to installing 3-rotors. (This would be a hella job for one person to compile, but between all of us it might be pretty painless. And I'm sure we'd all use it sooner or later.) No one asks questions in this section, but we all get to comment on someones "how-to" write-up to add or clarify things. This also might provide an easier way for newbies to get their questions answered so they don't bug the veterans.
But like I said, I'm new so...
)3rd gen section split into 3 sections:
3rd gen "lounge" - all BS posts, just so long as they pertain to 3rd gens.
3rd gen "diagnosis" - where people can post their "what's this noise?, where's my boost?" questions, and (hopefully) veterans will lend their experience, or point them to the....
3rd gen "FAQ/how-to" - where we collectively start a resource for walk-throughs of how to do stuff, from changing oil to installing 3-rotors. (This would be a hella job for one person to compile, but between all of us it might be pretty painless. And I'm sure we'd all use it sooner or later.) No one asks questions in this section, but we all get to comment on someones "how-to" write-up to add or clarify things. This also might provide an easier way for newbies to get their questions answered so they don't bug the veterans.
But like I said, I'm new so...
10-24-02, 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by maxpesce
....it is our very openess that has made this forum the wonderfull success that it is. However I do think the Mods could be more agressiving about moving/deleting irevelant/inappropriate threads and posts.
....it is our very openess that has made this forum the wonderfull success that it is. However I do think the Mods could be more agressiving about moving/deleting irevelant/inappropriate threads and posts.
At least with restrictive posts, its - in a ways - leading by example. With censorship, your simply slicing off a wart so to speak, and waiting for it to come back again...
Does little to show the new members what kind of content and ways of communicating is best for such a Forum. Peer pressure (to use/post wisely) is one way of looking at it (restricted posts/section). We can only assume that those who really want to meaningfully participate will act/post accordingly to be able to post to restricted posts/section.
My biggest issue is how do we determine who gets to post to restricted posts/section, should this come about?
10-24-02, 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by LAracer
Here's just an idea (and I'm new so I know it doesn't really count )
3rd gen section split into 3 sections:
3rd gen "lounge" - all BS posts, just so long as they pertain to 3rd gens.
3rd gen "diagnosis" - where people can post their "what's this noise?, where's my boost?" questions, and (hopefully) veterans will lend their experience, or point them to the....
3rd gen "FAQ/how-to" - where we collectively start a resource for walk-throughs of how to do stuff, from changing oil to installing 3-rotors. (This would be a hella job for one person to compile, but between all of us it might be pretty painless. And I'm sure we'd all use it sooner or later.) No one asks questions in this section, but we all get to comment on someones "how-to" write-up to add or clarify things. This also might provide an easier way for newbies to get their questions answered so they don't bug the veterans.
But like I said, I'm new so...
Here's just an idea (and I'm new so I know it doesn't really count
)3rd gen section split into 3 sections:
3rd gen "lounge" - all BS posts, just so long as they pertain to 3rd gens.
3rd gen "diagnosis" - where people can post their "what's this noise?, where's my boost?" questions, and (hopefully) veterans will lend their experience, or point them to the....
3rd gen "FAQ/how-to" - where we collectively start a resource for walk-throughs of how to do stuff, from changing oil to installing 3-rotors. (This would be a hella job for one person to compile, but between all of us it might be pretty painless. And I'm sure we'd all use it sooner or later.) No one asks questions in this section, but we all get to comment on someones "how-to" write-up to add or clarify things. This also might provide an easier way for newbies to get their questions answered so they don't bug the veterans.
But like I said, I'm new so...
We did have a tech section, and there was (briefly) a Write-up section (though it was off in a corner somewhere, circa the 1st RX7 Forum Hack (or was it the second?)
Not an issue of 'bugging the veterans', but what's good for the 3rd gen section (and maybe applicable to the entire Forum). Just because I've been here a couple years does not make me any better then someone that signed up yesterday.
Alot of us are just tired of the endless, downward spiral this section is headed.
10-24-02, 06:33 PM
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When I first joined the forum I was amazed at the amount of information that could be found. Lately, it's been "Which exhaust sounds best" or "What intake should I buy". I used to look forward to checking out the forum because I always learned something new. Now I have to look through the whole forum just to find some worthwhile posts. The Single Turbo Forum is turning into the same thing.
There's so much info that could be found if you search. Sometimes I'll get 4 pages that I can look through to find what I need. I think that people should get warnings for not searching for obvious things. Then, if they do it again, a temporary ban.
There's so much info that could be found if you search. Sometimes I'll get 4 pages that I can look through to find what I need. I think that people should get warnings for not searching for obvious things. Then, if they do it again, a temporary ban.
10-24-02, 06:35 PM
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If common sense was common, wouldn't everyone have it? 
adam c is an interesting example. He IS a newbie to the forum, but is a veteran in the real world. IF we were to open up a seperate forum, the only real way to judge who has access to it is by the quality of people's posts, and not to mention that you must also own an RX-7.... Placing a test to enter the forum would be worthless. After all, people DO know how to lie.
Personally, I think we are focked for good. Commonsense is something you build up as the years pass by. Obviously, a percentage of younger people now able to afford an FD have very little to almost no commonsense built up. It's a fact of life, folks. All we can do is deal with it in any way we see fit.
While on the topic of our search engine..anyone know the exact diameter of the RZ brake rotors? Damn thing doesnt let me input the letters RZ
adam c is an interesting example. He IS a newbie to the forum, but is a veteran in the real world. IF we were to open up a seperate forum, the only real way to judge who has access to it is by the quality of people's posts, and not to mention that you must also own an RX-7.... Placing a test to enter the forum would be worthless. After all, people DO know how to lie.
Personally, I think we are focked for good. Commonsense is something you build up as the years pass by. Obviously, a percentage of younger people now able to afford an FD have very little to almost no commonsense built up. It's a fact of life, folks. All we can do is deal with it in any way we see fit.
While on the topic of our search engine..anyone know the exact diameter of the RZ brake rotors?
Damn thing doesnt let me input the letters RZ
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10-24-02, 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by Flybye
While on the topic of our search engine..anyone know the exact diameter of the RZ brake rotors? Damn thing doesnt let me input the letters RZ
While on the topic of our search engine..anyone know the exact diameter of the RZ brake rotors?
Damn thing doesnt let me input the letters RZ
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...ighlight=brake
10-24-02, 07:18 PM
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Flybye:
Good Points
I think the main root of the problem is that a year ago the forum had less than 6,000 members and now its over 22,000! even If only 5% are posting once a day that still means over 1,100 posts a day as opposed to 2-300/day a year ago!
Good Points
I think the main root of the problem is that a year ago the forum had less than 6,000 members and now its over 22,000! even If only 5% are posting once a day that still means over 1,100 posts a day as opposed to 2-300/day a year ago!
10-24-02, 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by dclin
Good God, it'll be 'no mercy/open season'. I foresee much blood if that was the case.
Good God, it'll be 'no mercy/open season'. I foresee much blood if that was the case.