sdminus

Maybe He is refering to the back and forth bickering.

Scott

Pimp Hand

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LMAO!!!!


Compared to ALOT of threads. this one have been extremely civil.

dubulup

I don't think you know what thread you are in...

sdminus

LOL... This one is more Tom ad Jerry than ben and Jerry

hondahater

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I don't know, I liked the info that came out of this thread. Sure there was some small arguments however thats going to happen when everyone thinks their own kit is the best (especially the ones that make the kit), however really they are all about the same with a few differant features here and there. Over all it's a great upgrade for the rotary given the higher than normal heat in both the intake(iat) and exhaust(egt).

Pimp Hand

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As much as i hate to say it, your right. This isent the thread i was referring to. This isent the thread i have been active in. (the discussion)

Marcel Burkett

IMHO , those looking for a GOOD WI or alky kit should be weary of the vendors in this thread , they are out to sell their product and apparently are prepared to do so , no matter what . I might be wrong , but I think that one of the main problems here is the need everyone has for a "kit" to simplify everything and solve all their problems, when all you need to do is analyze what you want and put it together to suit you , all the components are out there !
I use water injection and have been using it for a while now , I've been looking for a "kit" too , and could never find one at the right price with all the right features, I've had the dumb "dump " system , I've tried the fuel injector referencing system , and even the crude 2D systems ! , none of them were quite capable of delivering what I wanted , so I decided to put together a custom system that will do everything I want at a very good price .
I started with a small 1 gallon fuel tank from a go cart , a ShurFlo high pressure (250 psi capable) pump , shurflo 700cc accumulator , a pair of 200 psi solenoid valves (one is used for my intercooler sprayer) and Aquamists' injector (HSV) and flow sensing system , everything is controlled by my ECU via a PWM 3D out and two other on / off outputs . I had noticed too , that all the fancy "system enabled " , "Pump run " and "injection on" etc, etc lights do jack when it comes to actually getting the job done AND saving the motor if the system is compromised in any way , no matter how many dimensions your controller has , once you are tuned for water or alcohol , you will be in deep **** if your system fails , I know it has happened to me already , the tank went low and I did not know ! , this is why I have also incorporated Aquamists flow sensing system into my custom "kit" (,if the tank level goes low , or the required flow isn't sensed at the specified boost point , it is set up to cut boost to a safe level of 10 psi by de-energizing the boost solenoid , cut the motor revs to 5000 , retard the ignition by 15 degrees and dump fuel ) no matter what you controller can and can't do , once there isn't flow through the jet/s , its all over . If your ECU doesnt have anyoutputs available , you can use any good additional injector controller , like the split Second ones , the give you all the adjustability you'll ever need at a very good price ! , shorflo pumps are used by all the kit manufacturers and are very cheap , you can get them at any agri. or capmer cupply site , just my 2c , dont flame me !!

calculon

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i assume you are using your pump voltage (flow) to determine how much water you are injecting at what load/RPM.

what kind of ecu are you running that you are controlling your pump with?

coolingmist

FYI,

OUR "Shurflo" pumps are custom made for us to our specs, you can not purchase it through a agriculture store. also, the "cheap" pumps can run very high pressure and are far more reliable than the Aquamist pumps. While I have admiration for Aquamist products, design and function and while the pump is a work of art...you cannot run dry for more than 30 seconds without killing the pump and that pump alone is more expensive than most water injection kits.

dubulup

Here we go again with this "our" pumps, "our" specs blah blah custom blah...
agreed.

coolingmist

I am stating a fact, our pumps are built to our specs, only for us. Its a shurflo private label, custom build. That may mean nothing to some of you, thats fine.



Thanks.

Marcel Burkett

Read carefully ....I DO NOT use the Aquamist pump for a number of reasons , and just for the record , the new Aquamist pumps are designed with an automatic cut-off to prevent damage if it runs dry .
I use the ShurFlo 150+ psi pump ! because its cheap , esily and cheaply rebuildable , very capable , self priming and can run dry . U have your pumps custom made ? , what exactly do you do with them , what exactly is needed in a WI or alky system ? , .....all that is needed is a pump that is able to support the pressure and flow required , and finding a pump to do so is easy , doesn't matter if its an internal recycle pump or the pressure switch controlled pump , they are both sold over the counter you just need to specify which, u can even buy one and switch to the other at minimal cost ($25) by changing out the pumps head. I am running a normal pump without any "custom" modifications and it works flawlessly ! .
The pump I use is controlled by its own internal pressure switch , once the pressure falls to about 80psi the pump turns on to bring it back up to 150psi where it shuts off again.
The amount of water injected is controlled by me through a 3D table , just like the fuel injectors , the ECU begins pulsing the water injector to the set % when the set conditions (rpm and boost) are met , the ECU i use is an Autronic SM2. I have included a pic of the water injector and flow sensor gauge , the flow sensing system also includes a level sensor , inline flow sensor and junction box where everything is connected and its pair of outputs come from.

coolingmist

I am not trying to compete with you. I am very happy you are happy with your system, I bet it works great. Im simply saying our pumps are not the same as the off the shelf. They have stronger housing, better seals, etc.

Thanks again.

Marcel Burkett

Anybody want a capable controller look here , http://www.splitsec.com/ and here http://www.fjoracing.com/products/waterinjection/ , I'm sure if you look closely at FJO's pump you'll see that its the same shurFlo pump with a heat sinc on it !

sdminus

TBH. after using the DDS3 i would never use my WI with out it.

If you have a rotary get water injection
If you have water injection get one of these

Scott

RICE RACING

Cheers for the credit mate

I have since been even more disopointed with the 100% shithouse cry baby attitude displayed by BDC. Beign banned of his beloved forum for posting real facts about water injection and 10 years of reliable rotaries apparently is not what Mr Alcohol wants to hear LOL !

Make sure anyone new or old avoids teamfd3s's forum like the plauge, its not a place where you will find any decent input *I have 5 hours worth of work deleted in an instant by Mr BDC because it showed him and his opinions to worth about as much as a dried up piece of dog **** on your front lawn

Its a pitty newbies and pro's alike need to troll through some much BS to get to the really good bits, valuable stuff that shows where the real brain power with water injection lies.

10+ years of proven sucsess cant be beaten down by one in experienced idiot with a big mouth and even bigger fingers on his key board :P

BDC

I don't care if you have a 1,000 years of experience, Peter. You're an abusive and narcissistic jerk who seems to purposefully instigate arguments, who pushes your own product while unfairly flexing your moderatorship to refuse others to advertise theirs at the same time, and who blatantly contradicts your own statements left and right when it seems to suit you. I think it's pretty clear what your agenda is, and I saw that same attitude on TeamFC3S. That's why I booted you and deleted your posts. Had you been reasonable to deal with both on there and on here, like just about everybody else who's posted on this subject (Marcel, BNA_Ellis, SDminus, Howard, Jrat, etc.) then I would've been glad to receive your input. Don't try and make me responsible for your "5 hours of work" on TeamFC3S. You chose to post there knowing that I was a moderator so you get to own that one yourself. It's a shame too I think because I feel you've got some legitimate experience to add to the overall pool of knowledge for the community.

B

Inn-Tune

Before I say anything here I do run a shop. I don't want people to think I'm trying to hide that to sell something or mislead anyone...because I'm not. I have no intention of selling anything here. I was linked to this thread and I just think people should know there is a difference in these pumps. After blowing about 6 sureflo pumps in a matter of a couple hours of use with straight methanol we use Coolingmist's new pumps exclusively. Luckily none of the cars this happened to had any engine damage when the pumps failed, but they certainly could have.

I don't know what else is different about the Coolingmist pumps but the seals are totally different and it makes the difference between whether the pump works or not. I'd say that's a pretty big deal.

I also like their controller. It's cheap and powerfull enough that I'm fueling my daily driver with it and no other engine management as a little project. At 6psi I run out of fuel and instead of upgrading the MAF, injectors, fuel pump, adding an engine management system, etc. I just use the meth controller with a 1300cc nozzle to get me up to 15 psi.

I haven't sold an Aquamist kit in over a year because I like these ones so much.

-Mike

Pimp Hand

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Didn’t you just DO the EXACT SAME THING by banning him off your site, and deleting all his posts? Tell me that wasn’t done out of spite!


Dude you got a lot of nerve coming on here crying about being treated fairly.


The fact remains that you have been all over this forum beating your chest and touting Methanol as being the best thing since sliced bread. I don’t have a problem with that, im happy you have found some thing that works for you.

But what I do have a problem with, is the fact that you have spread lies/misinformation about Water injection in an effort to justify your position on methanol. Either though ignorance or bias. Of the 2 I don’t know which is the case, and I’m not going to guess.

You have to know, that if you spread BS on the forum. SOME ONE WILL CALL YOU OUT ON IT!!! Now Rice Racing has taken some what of a harsh tone with you. I would/Have taken a different tone with you. But I can’t bring my self to fault him for his tone.

When you make statements of absolution, you must be prepared to defend your self AND your a serrations’

BDC

I don't have to explain myself to you, Pimp Hand, so you can make accusations all day long about what my supposed "motives" were. The fact of the matter is Peter was bringing the same abusive attitude over to the section of the 2nd gen forum that I moderate and I saw fit to remove both his posts as well as his user account all together due to the attitude he exhibited over there. He took it upon himself to write in much of the same tone as he has here, so he's gone. You can label it spite and try to project that kind of feeling into my head if you'd like (are you a mindreader?) but the truth is the truth.

B

DarkKnightFC

5 hours worth of WORK?????????Are you ******* kidding me? You posted on every single thread not minutes apart in the Auxillary injection forum like a ******* jerk. Shithouse crybaby attitude? You're the ******* ******* who has been calling names and crying this and that from the beginning. He's testing on the other forum and posting his results, Post up some ******* testing and results from your YEARS of experience for christ sake. Can you not butt your ******* head into one thread and just let someone post his opinions and results? Start a thread on your own **** and make it number one awesome sticky if you're the big bad moderator, or are you afraid someone will have to make a choice between the 2???

Chris

hondahater

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so what happend to the other thread?

DarkKnightFC

He went thru every thread and posted **** like, "Hey everyone should check out water injection if you want the REAL solution to reliability, I sell kits blah blah blah"

DarkKnightFC

I'll probably get kicked off for that previous post but damn man, can't he just let people make up thier own minds by showing evidence and links to factual places and let them do the reading and research that he put 10 YEARS into? He just wants to say "hey water injection, Buy a Kit"

hondahater

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so it got deleted?