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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 12:53 AM
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You need to add torque into the equation. 1400 ft/lbs vs. 400 ft/lbs.
thats not going to give him enough to take one from a roll, trap speed on a 500 hp fd will be higher...and who said this " this hypothetical suv" was making 1400 ft/lbs at 10-12 psi???
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 03:08 PM
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i just saw this thread, and registered to add my $0.02

Originally Posted by fcdrifter13
For the boosted side of things comes the fun part. You have 3 ways you can go. 1 turbo 2 supercharger or 3 both. And here is were most people get alittle bit scared. ohh to much boost. with both, not really all you do is richen the bitch up. Now because the diesel motor has maximum revs of about 3-4000 RPM it takes awhile for the turbo to spool up if you go for a big one. So just add a gear driven super charger. off well that helps on the bottom end even more. Now you hit the majic RPM were the turbo spools up. Now because most of the trucks today dont have a supercharger they will black smoke off the start. because there is no boost and hella amounts of fuels. So I think it is BANKS that is coming out with the kit for a dodge that has both the SC and the turbo. But im am not sure.
VW's new Golf GT (europe only) has what they call a "twincharger"....supercharger runs at low RPMs and then is shut off via clutch when the RPMs get high enough for the turbo. just goes to show its possible AND worthwhile.... http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/050923/36/1yczf.html


m3 looks like its widebody to me, and if you have the money to convert an m3 to widebody, you've got alot. also, you can see that the toureg to the right of the m3 has the same german flag on the front right quarter panel......

based on what aboveall7s and everyone else has said, especially fcdrifter13 the diesel guru , i dont see why you guys are being so hard on him....why would you make up a story about you in your 488rwhp car getting owned by a bunch of racist ******?

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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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[/QUOTE]based on what aboveall7s and everyone else has said, especially fcdrifter13 the diesel guru , i dont see why you guys are being so hard on him....why would you make up a story about you in your 488rwhp car getting owned by a bunch of racist ******?[QUOTE]

amen to that. i've seen them also so it makes no difference to me. and to fcdrifter13, your whole input is awesome. definate props
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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and again, look at the pic of the m3. it doesnt look to me like the edge of the headlight of the car to the left matches a toureg OR cayenne....i could be mistaken, or the other toureg could be on the other side....
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 06:22 PM
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AboveAll7s, you have given me thorough reason to get back into heavy training. I will be coming to Florida by next summer(a scheduled visit), and I will do my damnedest to find these guys.

for the record, I am 3/4 german descent, not that it matters, but I do see it this way, if these guys have a car club and soupe up their cars to insane ammounts, isn't that a prefferable use of their time than them, say, killing people or spouting hateful rhetoric?
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 10:53 PM
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I am no guru as you say I just know the basics. But know that I look at that car it looks strangly familiar. Like I have seen it around here. There are a few M3 in WV but not like this. It would be the only reason why I would remeber it. Now I know that car was bought and then painted. I knew I have seen it somewhere. That Widebody kit is custom only about 5 mae if i am correct and there was one in a magazine about 5 months ago. Had a feature on the kit its self.

Now For the car on the left it is not a tourage. It is sittin way to low. That or the guy who took the pic is a really tall guy. Notice how the hood indents right to the left of the light alomost like a newer mercedes. Probably a cl series of car if i am not mistaken.

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Old Oct 27, 2005 | 03:10 AM
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In the picture the suv appears to have a side marker of some sort directly over the wheel, or is that something else? I don't think the Touareg or Cayenne has anything of the sort about the wheel.

Maybe it's just a decal or part of a body kit, meh.
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 10:33 PM
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A swastika is a hakenkreuz. That black cross with the four equal-sized bent over arms that looks like it is turning when it is not. The **** symbol.

A race isn't all about mass, it's also about air drag.

The faster the race goes, the more your ratio of hp to luftwiederstand (total drag in Deutsche) matters, and the less, far less, your hp to weight ratio matters. Bonneville top speed cars are heavy on purpose. Because high weight gives better traction when the primary thing you are trying to do is fight aero drag, not accelerate at max possible g.

The mistake you made was in being PLAYED.

By starting the race at a 40 mph roll, you largely negated the ONE area where you had a distinct advantage: hp to weight ratio.

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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TT_Rex_7
Actually, they are relavent. If your really laying down 488rwhp, the Touareg wouldn't stand a chance. However, if your close to stock, the Touareg wouldn't have a problem taking you.

Facts are facts...it would take ~850rwhp for a gasoline Touareg to beat you, which would have to be on race gas, and a diesel model would take ~550rwhp and 1400+ rwtq. etc etc-Alex
Au contraire on the different power levels needed for gas or diesel to win. It takes a certain level of hp to take any given vehicle any given speed. It doesn't matter if it runs on diesel, gasoline, nitromethane, or a gerbil cage.

So, if it takes 850 hp to beat someone on gasoline, it takes 850 hp to beat them on diesel.

1400 foot pounds of torque will not make you go 160 mph unless it is at an RPM that results in enough hp to go that speed.

I can produce that much torque by wedging an Olympic bar under a hunk of steel and lifting the other end as a lever. But, that is at .06 rpm, so the hp is extremely low.

hp is hp no matter what RPM it happens at. Torque is an utterly meaningless value unless it is translated, via RPM into hp.
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 04:48 AM
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http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...27/141036.html

Supposedly it has 340 hp and will do 150 mph, or the 450hp and 165 mph.

165 mph, fellas. On 450 hp. It may be big, but it is slick.

Drag varies as the square of speed.

But horsepower to go that speed varies as the CUBE of speed.

The Lamborghini Diablo went, according to a test run by Road and Track magazine, 202 mph. That means, to 101 it would only be using 1/8th of the hp. Namely, 60 hp instead of its full 480 that it had at the time of testing. (supposedly, but this was a car driven STRAIGHT from the factory by two Lambo test drivers. So who knows how much power it really had.)

If the Cayenne can do 165mph stock, then why is it so hard to believe a modded Touareg/Cayenne could win a race?
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jic
i actually read the whole thing
sounds interesting
good thing there no ***** around our area
asians dominate here
Tell me you don't mean to imply that asians are better than *****, because asians AREN'T racist?

I have never known anyone who was asian who denied that asians are the most racist people they had ever met.
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 04:59 AM
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 04:27 PM
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Why dont he ever respond anymore?
Maybe you guys were being too mean to him.
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Smilodon
Tell me you don't mean to imply that asians are better than *****, because asians AREN'T racist?

I have never known anyone who was asian who denied that asians are the most racist people they had ever met.

I guess all those Asians you know hates your guts, because Asians are the most racist people ever right?

The only Asian that ever did anything remotely close to what ***** did to the Jews was what the Japanese did to the Chinese.
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 07:37 PM
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*shrug* I'm Japanese.... so, does that make me racist? I mean, I hate people, but not like a group of people.... haha
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 08:48 PM
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I am not trying to say anybody is racist, except the *****. It just robbed me the wrong way when Smilodon compared Asians to *****... not just that, he basicly said Asians are more racist than *****...
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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 12:04 AM
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Actually, no, the asians I have known have liked me. Not much chance of anyone getting to know you if they already regard you as inferior Gaijin scum, or whatever the favorite and socially acceptable term is in your particular group to denigrate others is.

I was pointing out that if you think the ***** are racist, you are blind if you think that asians are not.

It's the same thing, over and over. It's okay to be racist. As long as you are not white.

And, I didn't "basically" say anything. I said what I have encountered from listening to asians talk. I said that asians have told me that asians are extremely racist. Yes, I know, this does not apply to any asians you have EVER met in your entire life, but, it applies to ones I have met.

The root of all racism is being offended at differences. Since it is very rare for people to be offended at people who are like them, (except for two chicks wearing the same dress to the Prom,) then people will accrete together according to their strengths, and denigrate others according to their weaknesses. Which is counterproductive, because how much are you ever going to learn from people who are just like you are?

It makes people uncomfortable to be confronted with their deficiencies. So, they gather in groups that have the same general traits, and cut themselves off from the rest of the world, which world has other people, that combined with that group, would bring strengths to the group that they are too afraid to admit they don't have.

But, racism, whether practiced by *****, asians, or whoever, is just division. Division that isolates that group from anyone who is strong in areas where they are weak.

And it is based in two things: fear and pride. Of course, here is another pandemic racism in society. It is okay to say Black Pride, Asian Pride, etc. etc. But if you say White Pride you are a filthy **** racist cross burning scum.

That is called a "double standard."

Even the divisions based on American vs: asian cars, rotary vs: pistons, etc. Sure, everyone has their prefs. But I am not going to shut my mind to learning anything form someone who drives a Honda.

Being offended at differences blinds people to obvious truth. Even if the differences you are offended at are practiced by the majority of people in your neighborhood.

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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 06:59 AM
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...yeah I'll agree with you. My mom hate Mexicans for some reason I don't know. I don't have beef with anyone though.. Wierd. My grandfather hates black people... I think it's because we used to breakdance across teh street from his place a lot. Haha... uhh.. yeah.. 2 cents. shh.
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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 07:29 AM
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It is possible the M3 might have the V8 from the M5 in it. It has that odd hump in the hood.

Witht the right amount of money, anything is possible. Here is an E36 with a V12 in it. It's in Russian, but you can see the pics.

http://bmw.carclub.ru/articles/allarticles/0000001754/
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Old Nov 6, 2005 | 08:49 AM
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All I have to say is... wow.

Great story, with the photo, I can believe it.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 02:59 AM
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So much talk about V10 diesels and Porsche Cayenne swaps but nobody thought of the most obvious: I think it was rather a W12 with twin turbos on them. You know, 3/4 of a W16, like in the stock, 1,001hp, quad turbo 8.0 Bugatti W16? The Touareg can be bought with a N/A W12 in Europe, so it should not be too hard to swap in a W12 from a totalled VW Phaeton or Audi A8, or even a twin turbo W12 from a Bentley Continental, which comes with, ahem, 'bout 550hp stock. South American born German expatriates living in South FL should not be uncommon, and being kids of rich pre-war emigrants, SS or Gestapo or what-have-you runaways will let them afford the mods on their "people's cars". I dig the story, hell, I'll call the FBI, CIA or the NSA and tell them to be mindful of these *****!
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 04:17 PM
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Some more food for tought: diesels don't have throttles, so diesel guys don't use BOVs (the story mentions that "His damn BOV was louder than my obnoxious cat-less exhaust"); a high powered, tricked out diesel engine will also throw out a huge cloud of black smoke on its wake, something so obvious that AboveAll7s would not have failed to mention it. Damn, such a Tuareg (less the **** propaganda, obviously) will make for the ultimate stealth killing machine.
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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 12:55 AM
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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 01:57 AM
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um for the record they arent skinhead punks they are neo *****. i was a skinhead and know a lot of them skinheads are the kind of people who would beat the crap out of ***** just my two cents
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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why the hell would skinheads beat up neo *****? Unless you are talking about S.H.A.R.Ps or skinheads agains racial prejudices. And in my encounter with alot of these types when I was young and into the punk and skinhead scene the racist skinheads always beat the **** out the sharps but that might have been just in my town. Oh yeah and skinheads and neo ****'s got along fine.
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