"that 208963.5B of yours is sweet! must take those v8 guys down around those turns with all that torque!"

^^sorta like that??!?!

 

ha ha ha. either you need to define performance or drive a vette and get a serious wake up call.

 

Definition: Handling, acceleration, braking. Dont care about top speed much.. You need a wake up call. If an FC has got a 350 (bored .30) just like a z06 and weights 500 lbs less i dont see why it cant outperform it.
Edit: My block puts down a few more rwhp than stock z06 does, I dont understand where you're coming from.

 

I think this is a good argument. The FD looks badass. It's fast as hell, but it's unreliable. If I can have everything I love about the Rx-7 with a reliable, powerful powerplant, where is the downfall? I just don't like the *** of the C5.

I was talking to my dad last night about the swap.

He said, "just leave the car alone and buy a Vette if you want the V8."

I said, "And do what with the FD? Sell it and take a $15-20k bath?"

Him: "No, keep it."

Me: "And do what, rebuild the motor for $4k, get a new turbo kit for $3k, pay several thousand to have everything installed and have more money into it than if I had the V8?"

Him: No response...then "People would think it was weird."

Me: "Weird? To hear the V8 sound coming from the Rx-7? To have a 350 lb weight advantage on a Z06 and look better doing it?"

Anyways, we talked about it for a while. He's not against the idea, but he is just concerned it will turn into some kind of sloppy Frankenstein project. I'm hoping to go to Deal's Gap next weekend to meet Brian Hinson personally and see his work first-hand. If I'm satisfied that he'll take good care of my car, I'll shoot to have Hinson Supercars do the swap sometime near the end of the year.

 

Hey v8-7s isnt a freneknstein project, its actually becoming more and more known
http://www.grannysspeedshop.com has got everything you need for a v8-7 swap including info on v8s

 

Can someone please tell me how a V8 that doesn't get 30 mpg in a Vette with a 3.42:1 rear end could some how magically get over 30 mpg in a car that comes with a 4.10:1 rear end?

 

I get about 25 on the highway

 

Engine out of car. The all-aluminum LS1/6 weight differential negligible and was EZ to pull. Heads and block are light. Fits well in cavernous FD bay.




But, what do I know? Our shop handles FDs, Ferraris, Lightnings, Corvettes, F-bodies as a matter of routine. We also set up track cars such as 944, Miata, and Ferrari for those customers who run at No Problem Raceway Park in Belle Rose, LA.

 

Hey, Fargo. Two things.

1. Check the video a little closer. You of all people should know people with short hair on the sides don't necessarily sport a mullet. That's just short gray hair there. Old habit from the Corps. Tough to shake.

2. Bring your rotary down to Pensacola sometime (if it can make it that far without breaking down) and I'll run you for a beer at MacGuire's Irish Pub. Somehow I think I'll win.

Respectfully,

Rick "Two HotRods"
Major USMC (ret)

 

I think someone has been officially "called out."

 

Perhaps after I spank him with my 10 second street car, I should spank him on my 10 second V-Max just for good measure. Maybe I can even get two beers out of it.

 

V8 Swap is a cool deal. I'm going with ut once I blow this engine if I destroy the housings as well.

LS1 baby!! 5k in mods and It'll lay down 450rwhp easy off the spray and I spray it and it'll lay down 600 to the ground and have the tourqe to match.

Nothing wrong a little more displacement in the bay.

Rotary is super cool and there is nothing like it but holy **** are they expensive for thier longevity in hot rod applications.

Something just doesn't perk the ears quite as much with a v8 in the 7 though. Just seems weird, ya know. But hey, whatever gets you down the road!

 

[QUOTE=2hotrods]I'll run you for a beer at MacGuire's Irish PubQUOTE]

Mmm...McGuire's - One of two things I miss about Pensacola. The other thing is the sand at the beach. So nice.

Your car looks awesome, Rick. I ran a V-Max from 75-120 on one of our local bridges a while back. I pulled him a couple of cars, but I know that's not where the V-Max shines.

I'm looking to put an LSX into my FD later this year. Can you send me some details about your setup?

 

Hey Devil Dog since your the officer you make more $$ why dont you come up here and I will be more than happy to run em. I will even put 5 bills on it! Otherwise I do believe Rotary Performance has a nice street 7 for ya to run and they are closer One more thing being a fellow Jarhead you should know all about doing more with less, thats what the rotary is all about. Less cubes, less moving parts, and so on.
Semper Fi Mac!
I have also heard some people rip on the RP RX7 and say well thats a sponsered car. Ya it is and everything on it Rotary Performance sells and services. Why doesnt Grannys build a street car to take out the Rotary Performance car and show us what they can do with a V8? If they did hell who knows maybe I would seriously consider it. I am obviously not as fast as the RP car but it lets me know that the rotary in a RX7 is still just as capapble as any V8 in a RX7. I have studied this a couple times and by the time I add up everything the end price for HP comes out about the same. I also do not believe when it come to racing applicatons any engine is gonna last much longer than the other. If your running your V8s constantly at high RPMs its gonna hatch to. I know overall the V8s are faster in drag racing, but in a RX7 in street applications I dont see any real advantage. As far as reliablity learn to freakin tune or pay someone to do it for ya. Go throw 20 lbs of boost on your stock LS1 and see what happens. I hear the 06 RX7 thats gonna be comming out is gonna have 300HP on a N/A 1.6L now thats impressive.

 

ahhh...so we're bringing vendor's into it now? lol How bout you get Rotary Performance to run Hinson's twin turbo LS1 FD when its done? Wanna put 5 bills on that?

PS-He has respect for the 13b man. It was my car that made him want to get an Rx7. However, he daily drives his...and drives a few hundred miles to work each week. A 400rwhp 13b wouldn't be practical for that commute. This gives him the ability to have the look/handling of the FD...with the raw power/reliability of a Z06. All in a package that still weighs around 2750lbs. Its pretty much the best of both worlds. I respect the power you can get out of a 13b...but it has its limitations. The LSx engines have WAY more power potential...with far greater longevity. I know its not everyone's cup of tea, but you have to at least respect what these cars can do.

 

Did I hear when its done...? Well I am sure if its faster it will be in a magazine somwhere and I can read all about it. Also there is a saying dont count your chickens before they hatch so let him get the car on the road before running your suck.

 

...and I don't know about Granny's...but Hinson should have the twin turbo LS1 FD out at the track before too much longer. They are looking for 8s with a full interior/non tubed chassis. I don't think there are any 13bs running that fast with full interior/non tubed chassis. I might be wrong.

 

Running my suck? You got called out for YOUR car...and you brought vendors into it. Because your car with its 60-1 and all supporting mods would get raped by this lightly modded LS1. Hinson's N/A car ran a 6.0 1/8th. You do the math. You're the one running your **** washer about vendor's cars. Don't get your panties in a wad if another vendor has something thats going to be faster. Your right...it isn't done yet. But his 10,000 total investment car is almost on par with these drag cars that probably have 30k under the hood with its 13b. They also probably rebuild it 2 or 3 times a year.

 

Anyway here is a vid clip of Ari Yallon and the RP street car. They think he will be in the 8s soon. He is currently a 9.1 anyway this Hinson guy is gonna be doing 8s with a twin turbo LS1 and the RP car will probably be doing the same with a 13BREW and single turbo. I would see doing a 20B swap before a V8 swap. Even with the argument of a rotary being twice the displacment (I dont agree with) it still comes out way smaller. In that "therory" a 13B is still 2.6L and LS1 is what 5.7, 5.6? a 20B is 4.0L So the rotary still is at the displacment disadvantage. I do belive though with Mazdas rating of 1.3L and 2.0L. I really would like to see RP do with a 20B what they have done with the 13B. Well here is the clip. Video: Ari Yallon of RX-7.com runs a 9.1 at 152. I am currently running 12s with my set up, This year I am putting in new motor with a street port as my Jspec finally gave up the ghost last fall. So I am" hoping" for high 11s this year. Maybe I will look at a full turbo upgrad eeventually and ditch my hybrid. Anyway no flame intended I am just trying get across why I dont see the advantage of a V8 in a RX7. To each his own I see V8 RX7s from time to time in the FS section and on Ebay. I just htink if that swap was the magic pill for these cars why is this person selling it..? I also think why is it usually going for less than its rotary brothers. I guess I could see a V8 in a N/A swap but that would be about it.

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Ari sent this to me, just thought I would pass it along. He figures he can dip into the 8s on the current setup if he cuts his 60 foot time a bit .

http://www.rotaryranch.com/vids/rx7.mpg

 

I here ya...i apologize that I took your tone wrong and then went on the attack myself. The reason you see these cars for sale on ebay is probably the same reason you see decked out single turbo FD's with all the mods for sale on this very board for 15 or 16k. Ari's car is a full out race prepped drag car. I'm not sure...but its interior is gutted isn't it? Either way, you get the idea that Hinson's N/A car would have run a mid 9, with a kaaz rear end and stock t56 tranny. I believe it made in the neighborhood of 690rwhp. The car he's working on now will have a powerglide transmission, beefier rear end, and about 1100rwhp. There's a reason its got a parachute...it will most likely be DEEEP into the 8s. Its going to be a monster without a doubt. Wer'e all car guys here. You don't have to think the swap is the greatest thing in the world...but you have to at least respect it. A bone stock LS1 swapped in will run 11s on drag radials in an FD. It doesn't take that much more to get into the 10s, and these aren't drag strip only trailered cars. These are street cars roaming the roads. Any true car enthusiest has to at least respect them...whether or not they would choose to do the swap themselves.

 

What's more pathetic than name-dropping and tryin' to ride on another's coattails?

 

Ya it is respectable, but not fair. Not if you wanna compare it to a stock motor from 1993 from Mazda. It looks like Mazda is comming out with a new Mazda RX7 that will have a 1.6L N/A and 300HP. Once again in stock trim the HP per cube ratio by the rotary will be unmatched by anything "stock" from GM. They are saying also there will be a supercharged version putting out around 400HP. So what is chevys supercharged Cobalt doing...? Anyway I am getting off the subject. I just think when you take a V8 that has about 10 yrs worth of technology advancment and pit it against a rotary which is really only reseached and developed by 1 company anyway is that its fair to allow for changes to that car. Ya my Hybrid only puts me in the 12s but that was on internally stock Jspec. I did manage to edge out a kid with a Z06 though. His best was a 12.7 he said. So whatever. If he would have hit the gears a bit better he may have beat me as I hit everything right on. To be honest I dont have the $$ for the LS1 and I dont have the $$ for a ball bearing turbo or anything other than the hybrid. I just like to see that if I run into more $$ I know the rotary especially where I live will more than be enoguh to handle 99.8% of the street cars around here. At my track I have seen 1 car run 9s and thats a 94 Supra. I seen 1 DSM run high 10s and a few 11s mostly 12-15 second cars. Including Vipers and Vettes.

 

Settle down Sparky 57 its called bench racing. You know when you talk about sports and what quarter back is better than another..? Its kinda like that you know they are both better than you but you follow your favorites and cheer em on. So chill out. It like arguing who is better Brett Favre or Culpepper does it really matter..? No but I root for Culpepper do you get it? Ya they both can throw the football better than me. So does this mean I should not play football? Should I not watch it? Should I not root for my favorite team? Am I just riding on my teams coat tails? I think not, I am a fan just like millions of other people are fans of stuff.

Well this is where it starts to get pointless to keep arguing back and fourth, so I am done trolling thanks for the interesting conversation, I hope to chat with you later hopefully on a different subject and most definatly a different thread.

 

I think thats the best analogy of bench racing I have ever heard. lol I hear ya dude. I'll make sure to get some video of the Hinson car when its completed. I'm sure it will be something everyone will want to see. Whether they like the swap or not.

 

take your car to a track and watch a new c6 or z06 crush your dreams. those cars are amazing on the track. with a car that is 10+ years old you are going to have flaws that are inherent of structure of the car that will hurt handling. you can try to correct those with aftermarket suspensions etc but you can't really compete with the technology of a brand new car. i was asking your definition of performance if it was purely speed, ie 1/4 mile, 0-60, because new cars make any 10+ year old car look like dirt on a track.