Nope not yet, but my buddy did dyno at 185 RWHP and I'm walking him from a dead stop easily...I could care less if I broke 200 RWHP, 14's is good enough for me daily driver wise. (this is stock, no tune, with just the blower and a cat back and POS header)...you get the idea

It's not the Camden design that sucks *****, it's the whole blower design period, of any roots type blower - they are least efficient but also take up the least amount of room unless you go cent. which is pointless anyways because the turbo would be better.

I had a full turbo set up sitting at my house ready to be put on - would I do it all over again to have the Camden? Yep sure as hell would, sorry that you never liked yours.

 

I didn't have a Camden charger. Mine was the Paxton (centrifugal) that made 230 rwhp. Trapped 92 mph in the 1/4 in a heavy Vert in 90 degree humid Florida heat with the water injection not working properly.

I know it's not the Camden design but the Roots blower that sucks.

Really, anybody that says they would prefer a Camden setup over even the most MILD turbo setup must be driving around at 2k RPM all the time. At the end of the day, a TII swap with boltons will smoke your Camden-powered FC (and my centrifugal FC). Dollar for dollar, there's no argument.

 

Actually, yes I do drive around at 2k rpm a lot, all my driving is city done...as it's my daily driver (which means fun).

I know, a TII Swap will smoke my camden with bolt ons, but the fact of the matter is once you swap in the TII.

I have a lot more FUN in my Supercharged RX7 than any turbo car I've ridden in - the instant boost is fun when you're having to go through traffic or pass someone rather than waiting on the turbo to spool....

BUT in all honesty, I'm thinking about selling the car or the supercharger set up and going back to the turbo set up or just buying a TII and getting done with it...that or dare I say go back to Pistons....

 

Trust me, I understand the driveability advantages. That's one of the things I like best about my Z06. I just don't know why you'd bother being at 2k RPM in any rotary powered vehicle unless you're only cruising. I always made a point to keep the revs between 3k and 4k. That way, it's docile when cruising and when you want the power, you lean into it and go. When you do go, it pulls harder and harder rather than getting a little torque hit and falling on its face.

At the end of the day, whatever floats your boat. I was dead set on a Camden setup until I did a lot of research and realized how little power I would make. I made this dyno comparison spreadsheet. It has been posted in other threads, but I'll throw it in here.

 

I've seen that picture before, SonicRAT also said that wasn't dyno numbers for him...etc

My car, is almost like a piston powered engine, if I hit the gas at 3k rpm it tears off like it would at 6k rpm...there is no more lag.

*Edit GF was on the phone*

Camden also keeps updating their design every few months - so what may not have worked back then (wayyy back then) may be working for them now and I'm also technically only going up to 6 PSI at them moment (new exhaust = better engine breathing from before at 8 PSI) and could put the 10 PSI pulley on, and increase fuel flow and be running low 13's all day, I could almost put money on that - go past that with a stand alone I could probbaly break mid 12's....

Now thats plenty good enough for me as a daily driver, I'm doing low 14's right now as it sits with horrible traction out of first gear (spinning the tires is a common occurence).

Also, 12's, 13's are 90% faster than most cars on the street (which is what I race a lot because the nearest drag track is an hour away, I never have work off) - so the need to get into 10's isn't really there for me, because I know in the end I don't have to rebuild my engine every 100k miles because of some crazy amount of boost!

 

SonicRats dyno lines just made me drool... did he do that with a 13b?

 

*Edit GF was on the phone*

Camden also keeps updating their design every few months - so what may not have worked back then (wayyy back then) may be working for them now and I'm also technically only going up to 6 PSI at them moment (new exhaust = better engine breathing from before at 8 PSI) and could put the 10 PSI pulley on, and increase fuel flow and be running low 13's all day, I could almost put money on that - go past that with a stand alone I could probbaly break mid 12's....

Now thats plenty good enough for me as a daily driver, I'm doing low 14's right now as it sits with horrible traction out of first gear (spinning the tires is a common occurence).

Also, 12's, 13's are 90% faster than most cars on the street (which is what I race a lot because the nearest drag track is an hour away, I never have work off) - so the need to get into 10's isn't really there for me, because I know in the end I don't have to rebuild my engine every 100k miles because of some crazy amount of boost!

Nih - those aren't dyno lines, those are a graph he made up from which he thought the power should/would be at...

 

I don't know what Camden has done to "update" their designs, but I do know that CodeBlue put a lot of money into her setup and it only makes 200 rwhp. That's why I asked about the 200 rwhp mark.

 

They mentioned things but I don't remember off the top of my head.

And as for Code Blues car, even if it is making only 200 RWHP (which I believe she had a weird engine combo as well, like S4 Rotors and a S5 Engine with a 4 port induction system or something along those lines) and was also using a carb if I remember right...

Before I stop modding the performance side of mine, I'll guarntee I'll surpass the 200 RWHP mark, I mean I don't understand how people port the hell out of their engine and then not make any more power when you're N/A you can actually reach 190 HP (as some people have done so on here).

 

Yes, that was done on a S5 vert with a 6port 13B block. It's not my car, was a customers vehicle.

Codeblue's car was EFI with an ITB throttle body (50mm I believe?), on a ported S4 TII block, with pretty much every bolt on imaginable, and only made 211. She's since decided to ditch it and go turbo. Oh, and it had a Microtech as well.

And to run into the 12s, you would need to have about 300whp, even with the 10psi pulley that's not going to happen with the Camden setup. Either that or put your car on a serious diet.

Also, FWIW, the absurd ammount of heat from the roots blower design is no better for reliability than other cars running more boost.

 

[QUOTE=13b vs V8 doesn't make any sence.
An N/A V8 can easily obtain 450-550 hp......An N/A 13b is limited to an absolute maximum (at least that I've seen) of 220 hp (maybe 250-260, is you consider Renisis).[/QUOTE]

We make 250hp from N/A 13B FD engines here in New Zealand. We have an N/A FD racing seen called Pro7. Good fun to watch. < These are not Renisis engines ither. Just 13B REW without turbos and fully tuned to make 250hp.

 

Thanks for killing the balance of the 7.

 

what kind of n/a V8 makes450-550hp? a 7L maybe...for most V8's(5.0 or 5.7 being the most common engine builder V8's) most hit the "wall" at about 400ish n/a hp. after that its s/c or TT time.

 

LS1's with a cam and boltons can break over 400rwhp, with no head work....

 

you all are just insane. like it has been stated. to each his own. but for you to say that a na v8 tops at 500 don't be f-ing insulting. You can do head, cam, intake and a throttle body and be at 500 reliably i know becuase i owned a 99ws6 and was going to have the work done. Or i could get a sts turbo put it at 9psi with the methenol injection and be making over 500 horsepower. Do not assume you know what you are talking about without knowing your facts. it just makes you look stupid. i love the ls v8s that gm is making. i also love the rotary. But it is proven more cost effecient that the v-8 is the best way to make quick reliable horsepower and tourque. Will i get rid of the rotary not unless i get sick of its problems which i have only one with the twins. It helps hold the value of the car in its originality. But like i always say i know nothing. i am like joe dirt with a mullet. Tell all the exotic car makers with v-8's that i would pay to see them slap you.

 

2 observations:
1) comparing a 13B 1.3L rotary (classified by most recognized racing sanctioning bodies as equivalent to a 2.6L piston motor) to a 5.7L. 6.0L, 7.0L I wouldn't exactly call equitable. Even a 26B is only at 5.2L (shrug)
2) The LS2 V8 in the new Z06 makes 500hp normally aspirated or is it 505hp?

Crispy
- insane for jumping into this assinine pissing contest

'93 GT35R FD
'05 CTS-V
(knows both ends of the spectrum and loves them both)

 

correction crispy it is a ls7 in the new corvette. and they are like 505 hp and like 487 ftlbs.

 

I stand corrected. Thanks. LS2 in the regular C6 LS7 in the Z06.
But the LS7 numbers don't lie - awesome numbers for a factory NA motor.

Crispy

 

Eww...gross. Get that american crap out of the Rx7. Amemiya would be disgraced.
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Props for the hard work of swapping that engine in. It's becomming annoyingly common though : \. I'd go 20B instead. Fack the Ls series engines.

 

Valid points; however, we're not talking NA to NA here either...regardless, as you've said, a pissing contest it is. No one will "win."

BTW: Just smoked an FD who dynoed 360 rwhp with a slipping clutch (and has since replaced it). No nitrous. Pushrod Powah! Hehe

 

Posts 361 through 365 were. Perhaps I should have quoted the posts I was "responding too."

Crispy

 

Damn. This thread got jacked hardcore. What the hell happened to the "strict" moderation that the sticky at the top of this forum talks about? ****, I think half way down page 1 through page 24 should be deleted if we were following the rules.

But whatever. Great vid. Im envious of the power. My dads gettin a Z06 in a few days. Full heads and cam, exhaust, and what not. He will be makin just shy of 450whp. That things gonna be real frusterating to follow on the track with my FD with the bolt ons. But what can ya do...

 

Go single Turbo crank up the boost and whip up on him in the twisties. With 400+ less lbs of ballast to carry around it shouldn't be a problem.
Don't sell yourself short kiddo
Crispy
- Hijacker

 

400+lbs of ballast? What motor swap are you talking about... a PowerStroke diesel?

Sorry, had to throw that in there for the "V8s are heavy" crowd.

LS1 FD vs Z06 would be a fun race to watch (with turns of course)

 

Oh for gods sake take of the blinders and READ what the poster said that I quoted. He was comparing his car to his fathers new Z06.
NOT his FD to an FD with a V8 ya big dope!
In any case an FD runs at about 2800lbs. A Z06 vette curbs at what? 3300lbs Hence the 400+ lb weight advantage to the FD.
Don't be so myopic
Crispy