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Not to crap on this and maybe I'm over looking something. I decided for the hell of it I would google '6054 projector' and I found that these are already made. I would assume that they should fit just the same too but perhaps space is too limited. Price is in the 800 range. though I did find one for 599. That may have only been one side though.

http://www.kbcarstuff.com/6054_200mm..._p/xd-6054.htm
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If this goes against anything sorry I wasn't trying to kill the GB only offer the possible alternative in case it falls through.
Well lets see the beam pattern I'd wager they are a far far cry from the fx projectors. The bulb in that kit is proprietary, so I'd not only question the quality, but also realize that finding replacements will not be a simple task. Yes there are other options out there. Are you going to get the best light output for your money? Most likely not. Consider the cost of that setup when comparing to what you would get with ours (not to mention, they are a little on the ugly side ) But, someone buy a set and lets compare light output... I'm positive our setup can't be beat (in output, component quality, looks, and price). -Heath
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LOL I found the round lamp counterpart to previously posted links. If you guys want THIS on your car be my guest I had a good laugh after I saw it and had to post... and all this for the bargain basement price of $850





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I'd be interested in a set for a FC, but honestly I wouldn't purchase them for 2-3 years. Got other upgrades to do first.

Hope they get made so I have options in the future.
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If I'm gonna pay upwards of $600-$700 dollars i want something that is completely custom hand fabricated and tailored directly to the vehicle, not something that is mass produced and going to be straight fail within 8 months.

You get what you pay for.

I'll wait til whenever to get the housings from your company, I'm not gonna compromise my safety and the safety of others for some crappy knock off, like the $75 bulb kits everyone sells now.

Not trying to put yeti down or say that his post for an alternate route was a bad idea or anything this is just my opinion.
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No, no, it's fine no put down at all. I like I said or at least meant, I wasn't trying to derail anything. if it came down to it. I would buy from here rather than there. For multiple reasons. I was just more curious in basically what has all ready been stated.

Though I do remember on an s10 forum some guy using the fx projectors that you mentioned.
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No, no, it's fine no put down at all. I like I said or at least meant, I wasn't trying to derail anything. if it came down to it. I would buy from here rather than there. For multiple reasons. I was just more curious in basically what has all ready been stated.

Though I do remember on an s10 forum some guy using the fx projectors that you mentioned.
You didn't put anyone down. We're all good. If we (mostly Heath) didn't have to hand fabricate each kit it would bring the price down drastically.
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i would definitly buy an fc set within the next year
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I just hope we can get this rolling within this year or in a few months at least...
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I just hope we can get this rolling within this year or in a few months at least...
Ultimately its just based on interest. We don't have an "advertising budget" ... we just kinda let people come to us if they like/want what we're making. Maybe its bad business... we're just two guys with a tiny parts business, don't make much off it, and ultimately we just honestly enjoy rotaries and keeping them competitive with new cars... and on the road. So I have to say it's more along the lines of a hobby than a business... hence the lack of advertising and "pushing" products on people . I dont know how to put it but its more like a collaboration with you fine people than selling you parts... but the flip side is we can't really generate interest on our own. The reason this thread even exists is because I was contacted by a few forum members with FB's and FC's who begged me to see if we could come up with PROPER projector setup that would work for their cars as well. IDK I guess hang on and we'll see where it goes
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bump.

come on, we need more 1st gens in here.

$800 for this kit is no problem for me.

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I'm thinking of maybe putting my name on the list for the FB. Just curious, what kind of weight does this add to the light? Does this added weight slow down the motors that raise and lower the lights, or possibly wear them out faster? Has this been considered? We are talking about 30 year old motor design here..........hehe Thanks
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I'm thinking of maybe putting my name on the list for the FB. Just curious, what kind of weight does this add to the light? Does this added weight slow down the motors that raise and lower the lights, or possibly wear them out faster? Has this been considered? We are talking about 30 year old motor design here..........hehe Thanks
No clue. My miata is doing fine with it Its probably a pound extra. Put it this way, if your motors take 30 seconds to feebly lift your headlights like your grandmother on the bench press at the gym... they are already on their way out
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No clue. My miata is doing fine with it Its probably a pound extra. Put it this way, if your motors take 30 seconds to feebly lift your headlights like your grandmother on the bench press at the gym... they are already on their way out

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Hahaahaha. Ok, You can add my name to the list for the FB. I got to thinking...I spent too much time and money on my car to run over some junk laying out on the freeway at night and damage my car and or my safety. Those of you living in So CA know what I'm talking about........there's crap everywhere on those freeways.

BTW, if I'm reading the thread list above correctly.... Is this thread listed in the "FDNewbie Imports"? If so, maybe that's why there is not alot of FB interest. People don't know about this thread. I only found it after clicking on someones signature that mentioned HID's with a link here.

I'm sure I already know the answer but any chance of making a sleepy eye version of this to kinda further update the appearance of the fb? Something like this? I think it would still look good even with only one light per bucket. This is the best FB light conversion I have seen so far....

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Hahaahaha. Ok, You can add my name to the list for the FB. I got to thinking...I spent too much time and money on my car to run over some junk laying out on the freeway at night and damage my car and or my safety. Those of you living in So CA know what I'm talking about........there's crap everywhere on those freeways.

BTW, if I'm reading the thread list above correctly.... Is this thread listed in the "FDNewbie Imports"? If so, maybe that's why there is not alot of FB interest. People don't know about this thread. I only found it after clicking on someones signature that mentioned HID's with a link here.

I'm sure I already know the answer but any chance of making a sleepy eye version of this to kinda further update the appearance of the fb? Something like this? I think it would still look good even with only one light per bucket. This is the best FB light conversion I have seen so far....

Yeah I hit a deer in my FD a couple years back... no warning at ALL from the stock lights which kinda set me down this HID projector path. We have lots of road debris here in norcal too so I feel you on that. For us FD guys the lights are even worse (if you can believe that) and its just plain old scary... especially for cars that will happily cruise at 120 without blinking an eye all day (errrr night) long not to mention the ability to go much much faster. But yeah... it's honestly a safety concern which is why we spent so much time developing the absolute best, widest, non-oncoming-traffic-blinding, no highway patrol attention getting, no nonsense headlight setup.

As far as sleepy eye setups go, there's a few things to realize. Yes some people think they look good, however others want a stock look. Fair enough, two aesthetic opinions. But here are the real issues:
Cost: Twice the lights = twice the cost (kinda). People already have a hard time justifying $800+ on headlights and having two projectors plus custom brackets and custom aiming setups (not to mention modified brackets to limit the headlight travel) would push the cost to well above $1400. People just wont pay it. Yeah you could do it for a lot less with cheapie lights, or halogens, but thats not why we're all in this thread .
Light output: The headlight units need to be sealed aftermarket units as there is no housing to mount OEM style projectors in. These off the shelf units are smaller and typically have worse beam pattern, and narrower dispersion. I say if you're gonna do it, put the best lighting in.
What to do with the second lights?: So you have 4 lights. What to do with each of them? Well, you could have one low beam HID, and one high beam HID... but you double the cost, as well as having a serious problem of switching over to the high beams (where the high beam HID bulbs are cold) so you go to hit the high beams and the lights go dark, then blue, and then you have some usable light a few seconds later. That's not desirable or safe... so you are forced to use an instant on halogen lamp for the high beams, and now you are sacrificing beam pattern and light output with the halogens... not to mention when you flip back to low beams the ballasts will restart and you will have reduced low beam light for a second or two. No thanks.
Or you could use a bi-xenon HID lamp in one, and something else in the other. So what could you put in the other? I don't know honestly. It's too high for fogs, it's useless as a driving light (cause with the bi-xenons the road is already lit up like day time). You could use it as a parking light but you already have one. Basically it becomes a place saver... sitting there for no reason other than to look pretty. I'm a fan of form, but not when it has to overpower function. I really can't think of a good use for the second light so (as far as I can think an HID headlight setup through) you are better off with one good bi-xenon projector... square 1.
People Interested: We still don't even have enough people interested (yet) to get this project off the ground. Even in the FD crowd there are a select number of people that want sleepy-eye setups, and a small subset of those people can actually afford one (that uses proper HID projectors anyway).
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Yeah I hit a deer in my FD a couple years back... no warning at ALL from the stock lights which kinda set me down this HID projector path. We have lots of road debris here in norcal too so I feel you on that. For us FD guys the lights are even worse (if you can believe that) and its just plain old scary... especially for cars that will happily cruise at 120 without blinking an eye all day (errrr night) long not to mention the ability to go much much faster. But yeah... it's honestly a safety concern which is why we spent so much time developing the absolute best, widest, non-oncoming-traffic-blinding, no highway patrol attention getting, no nonsense headlight setup.

As far as sleepy eye setups go, there's a few things to realize. Yes some people think they look good, however others want a stock look. Fair enough, two aesthetic opinions. But here are the real issues:
Cost: Twice the lights = twice the cost (kinda). People already have a hard time justifying $800+ on headlights and having two projectors plus custom brackets and custom aiming setups (not to mention modified brackets to limit the headlight travel) would push the cost to well above $1400. People just wont pay it. Yeah you could do it for a lot less with cheapie lights, or halogens, but thats not why we're all in this thread .
Light output: The headlight units need to be sealed aftermarket units as there is no housing to mount OEM style projectors in. These off the shelf units are smaller and typically have worse beam pattern, and narrower dispersion. I say if you're gonna do it, put the best lighting in.
What to do with the second lights?: So you have 4 lights. What to do with each of them? Well, you could have one low beam HID, and one high beam HID... but you double the cost, as well as having a serious problem of switching over to the high beams (where the high beam HID bulbs are cold) so you go to hit the high beams and the lights go dark, then blue, and then you have some usable light a few seconds later. That's not desirable or safe... so you are forced to use an instant on halogen lamp for the high beams, and now you are sacrificing beam pattern and light output with the halogens... not to mention when you flip back to low beams the ballasts will restart and you will have reduced low beam light for a second or two. No thanks.
Or you could use a bi-xenon HID lamp in one, and something else in the other. So what could you put in the other? I don't know honestly. It's too high for fogs, it's useless as a driving light (cause with the bi-xenons the road is already lit up like day time). You could use it as a parking light but you already have one. Basically it becomes a place saver... sitting there for no reason other than to look pretty. I'm a fan of form, but not when it has to overpower function. I really can't think of a good use for the second light so (as far as I can think an HID headlight setup through) you are better off with one good bi-xenon projector... square 1.
People Interested: We still don't even have enough people interested (yet) to get this project off the ground. Even in the FD crowd there are a select number of people that want sleepy-eye setups, and a small subset of those people can actually afford one (that uses proper HID projectors anyway).
Good points there, thanks for the response. I can deffinately see how cost will scare a ton of people away, expecially on a first gen. I think if I ever did make one, I would just put one bi-xenon light on each side to reduce cost. I held my finger over the inner light and it still looks good......eheheh But I know anything like that will have to end up being a one time conversion for someone as it will be too spendy to a group buy on something like that.

I noticed on your FD thread that you were willing to ship overseas so I figure if we can get enough people on this one, you would be willing to do the same here so I made a little mention of this thread at Ausrotary are there were some guys there searching out HID's.
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^ I would have requested one for FBs had it been the kit above, but I came to the same conclusions... Four lights is just too costly...

Maybe a single HID low beam and a Halogen Projector High beam... And maybe the NA Miata crowd would go for one of those kits at well. (That's a Miata kit modified and installed in the FB there.)

Gonna have to fab up your own for that... Which sucks because I hate the bug eyed look of 6024 round bulbs.
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^ I would have requested one for FBs had it been the kit above, but I came to the same conclusions... Four lights is just too costly...

Maybe a single HID low beam and a Halogen Projector High beam... And maybe the NA Miata crowd would go for one of those kits at well. (That's a Miata kit modified and installed in the FB there.)

Gonna have to fab up your own for that... Which sucks because I hate the bug eyed look of 6024 round bulbs.

Yeah, I really hate the bugeye look as well. Thanks for the info on that being a Miata kit! I never knew that. I really do think that if someone built it with just one light on each side (either centered or to the outsides of the bucket), would look fine.
Here's a picture of a miata with just one light on each side. Obviously it's not pop up lights and very different from an fb but it still shows one light on each side.

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Yeah, I really hate the bugeye look as well. Thanks for the info on that being a Miata kit! I never knew that. I really do think that if someone built it with just one light on each side (either centered or to the outsides of the bucket), would look fine.
But are you willing to pay around $1,400 for it, in addition to having worse light output? The answer from most people is an unequivocal no. To make them equally priced HID (or quality HID) is out of the picture... in this instance you have to sacrifice looks or end up with light output which is close to what you currently have. Personally I like the bugeye look, cause I want my cars to look stock, but it's not for everyone.
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But are you willing to pay around $1,400 for it, in addition to having worse light output? The answer from most people is an unequivocal no. To make them equally priced HID (or quality HID) is out of the picture... in this instance you have to sacrifice looks or end up with light output which is close to what you currently have. Personally I like the bugeye look, cause I want my cars to look stock, but it's not for everyone.

Yeah, 1400 is way to much just for a light kit. I couldn't bring myself to pay that
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