SideWayzGTU

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I have to get this of my chest. people say all the time that drifting is stupid or its not a "racing technique" thats bull&%$#. drifting wasn't started in the 60's because it was just looked cool. it was a style used to keep momentum around the curvy mountain streets. it gained popularity there becuz it frieckin worked, and not only that but becuz it was fun, gave you an adrenaline rush, AND (i say AND because its just an added bonus) it looked cool. now a days in the us it is displayed purley for amusement purposes.(im not arguing that) but damn people stop hating cuz you dont have the guts, skill, determination, or whatever it is that makes you incapable of doing it.

not trying to start a big debate or anything just venting a little.

Roen

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You're right, it started as a racing technique, but now it is what it is. Don't be surprised that you'll get haters who hate on what they don't know.

The Drifting section was recently created, so you will see a lot of flames from threads that are old. It should get a lot better now that you guys have your own section.

TeamWireRacing

Regardless of its origins, I'm sure that alot of people "hate" not because they think it doesn't require any skill, I believe that it does, but rather because it looks like a bunch of posers thinking they're "racers".

Drifting in its present form of competition is judged. That, by definition, negates it from being considered racing. Racing requires competitors to compete to see who is the fastest to go from point A to point B. Drifting has no such thing. Racing also involves the techniques that get you there in the fastest manner possible. If one were to employ drifting techniques such as we see today in an actual racing competition, that person would finish at or near the back of the pack. It would be a great smokey display, but they'd still finish last.

So when you see these guys climbing into their cars with full race suits, helmets, gloves, boots, and HANS devices just to go slide around cones at a very low speed compared to actual racing, it just looks phoney.

Don't call it racing and you'll solve half the problem right there.

Dismiss me as a "hater" if you like, I'm just preachin' the truth.

rx7fan1903

Yeah, I don't care what other people say about drifting (even though it's annoying as hell!): It's awesome, pure and simple

I just don't get why people keep flaming us. They wanted us to stop "crowding" up the race car tech section, so they gave us our own section. But they STILL won't leave us alone!

I hope the flamers go away soon, so the insults will die down...

TheDarkRacer

Drifting deff doesnt happen at a slow speed. Go to a real drift event. They go around the track pretty fast. And most of the "pro" drifters have years and year of racing backround. And drifting can acutally be faster around turns. Examples: Rally racing and Ice racing(forgot the real name.

But I usually laugh at the people who make fun of drifters cuz all they can do is go in a straight line.....for 15seconds....to go 70-85ish. lol

Simplex Effect

I also noticed that TeamWireRacing said "at a very low speed."

Guess he hasnt seen a real drift event...

TheDarkRacer

lol yea... they haul some serious *** into turns.....and out of em lol. 80+mph drifts ftw!

Roen

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I guess he's used to 120-150 mph corners on a racetrack?

rx7fan1903

yeah, at drift events, they're going into a corner at insanely high speeds!. You can practice your drift at low speeds, but to go pro you gotta learn the high speed drift!!

afro88

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At the mineral wells practice events (that means for amateurs and begginers) it's easy to go over 100mph at entry. Thats obviously the better drivers but I know there is a jzx100 chaser in japan in the night walkers team who currently holds the fastest drift speed at around 130mph. IMO thats not very slow at all.

BTW to whoever said they are posers for wearing race suits and HANS devices...... dude that's for safety not because they want to be "race" car drivers. We can get injured just like anyone else. No proffesional "drifter" thinks he is a race car driver, becuase usually they are because they do more than just drift, many of them actually have their own race cars or drive for a road racing team in the off season of drifting. People assume "drifters" think this and think that, but they rarely take the time to get to know anyone who actually does and actually find out how things go on.

Simplex Effect

Wow, another soul on here who knows about Mineral Wells. lol

Thats where I took my Spyder to drift back in December 2007.

I will be going back, but probably not untill I get my FC's done.

ZeroDrift

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I agree with what TeamWireRacing said for the most part. I myself race my own car, and I occationally use the occational drifting technique to navigate the some corners, but I never intend for it to be flashy to impress judges. Nor do I want to see smoke from my tires as it is too wastefull for my tastes. I simply choose that as one of many ways to navigate a corner. I dont have any aingst against drifters typically, but I find that the vast majority that I have talked to think that drifting is always the fastest way around corners, simply because of what their mph gauge says.

Plus, it gets irritating after a while to have random people constantly ask if I drift my car.

SideWayzGTU

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i will agree that now since there has been movies, games, and events held in the US for drifting that there has become somewhat of a poser seen that drives there rusted pos 240s and crash into poles next to soccer moms minivan and indanger people around them, but you have that in every sport just like you have civics with a can and a bottle o naz reving up against every car at a stop light. just stop grouping every real drifting enthusiast with mr. taka aono wanabe tokyo drift star.

WE NOW HAVE ARE OWN THREAD IF YOU LIKE IT CHIME IN IF YOU DONT CLICK THE FRIEKEN BACK BUTTON WE DONT NEED YOUR 2 CENTS.

afro88

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Yeah I was there in december. I was driving the grey pos ae86 coupe. Your MR-S was pretty sweet. It reminded me alot of a built 20v (the way it sounded). I dont know when I'll be at another MW event but it should be around May or June. See you there.

BTW you came with Alex (SAR) didnt you?

sonick117x

There have been studies with professional drivers of RWD and AWD cars that shows even in tight turns grip set ups still get you through slightly faster than the same car set up for drift. However, in such skill and precision races like touge, even the RE-Amemiya car/driver employs techniques in which the rear breaks slightly loose, even though the car is not set up for drifting. In the end there are instances where proper vectors can be found quickly with a tailing back end, and when two cars are that close sometimes it is more useful. But as far as physics is concerned, if the car can handle the centripedal and gravitational forces of the car to the wheels/road then it will take a turn more quickly than breaking the tires loose.

7syawedis

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your over analyzing it. its fun, i dont get why people hate it either, but its really not a great technique or anything. who cares.

KhanArtisT

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Its slow. Theres not much more to it, I don't care if you drift around a track or grip it, if its fast then I'll respect your technique/ style. Most of the time not only is drifting a track slower but it also puts extra wear on the tires.

Maybe on mountain roads with tight hairpins and a slippery road surface drifting might be faster, but in most cases its slow. And no, the only time getting sideways looks even remotely "cool" is in a car thats built to grip (i.e. time attack built FD on Rs). When I see an ugly *** POS ziptied 240 on shitty tires put some smoke out I think wow, what a waste of a perfectly good car.

Drifting isn't about being fast, its about impressing judges and attracting idiots. Get over it

TheDarkRacer

^^ You sir, are dumb. No one ever said it was the fastest way around every corner. Drifting is all about style. We dont care if you think our multicolored pos cars are nice or ugly when going sideways. We just wanna be sideways. Usually the drift car is a beater/drifter and we have some sort of DD that is remotely nice. And if our 240/rx7s can out "drift" a 90,000+ car why isnt it cool? It beating it at something lol :P

Simplex Effect

Yeah I came with Alex and Ben.

Its a shame that I only had 1 set of tires though, I only made about 10-15 passes before I had to stop.

I actually wanted a 1st Gen MR2 with a Blacktop 20V swap back in the day, but I got something even better. lol

I definitly agree with you that if you car can hold the corner, it will make it around it faster than drifting.

But there are those instances where if you slightly step the back end out, you can carry it just as fast. (most drivers probably wouldnt feel comfortable doing this anyways)

Here is a bit of reference from wikipedia.com

Drifting (ドリフト走行, dorifuto sōkō?) refers to a driving technique and to a motor sport involving the use of the technique of turning your car sideways. A car is said to be drifting when the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, and the front wheels are pointing in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right or vice versa), and the driver is controlling these factors. As a motor sport drifting is constantly gaining in popularity, now with professional competitions across the globe. It is not possible to actually drift with a front wheel drive car, except if using the E brake, but rear wheel drive or RWD cars work better. Many people use ATVs to start to learn to drift.

So drifting is a motorsport.

Roen

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The problem I have with the wikipedia definition is that it's not the original, technical definition of what "drift" is but the popular, commonly accepted, somewhat bastardized (term said without offense intended) version of what it's become. Also, keeping with the purist definition, FF cars can't achieve true drift, sure they can slide sideways, and even chain slides, but they can't truly drift.

Of course I know not everyone agrees with me, but since I was into drifting before Initial D was even out, I'm just not a fan of what it's become.

You can possibly carry a corner just as fast with the rear slightly stepping out, but you will be on the power later since you can't just step on the throttle at the apex.

Then again, I don't really take wikipedia definitions for truth since they seem to reflect popular opinion more than technical truth.

Drifting IS a motorsport, just as much as cheerleading, figure skating and gymnastic ARE sports. Take that for what you will.

sonick117x

I guess I wasn't making myself clear with the intent of my post. I do not by any means view drifting as a joke. No doubt it is fun and I admit I enjoy the lateral motion from time to time haha. And Simplex, I do agree with your statement about stepping the back end out and that is to what I was referring in part of my post. In either case I am by no means trying to put any drifters down. Drifting no doubt holds its own class in motorsports and props to those who can do it gracefully, as well as to those that understand that behind drifting there has to be a good understanding of grip to control the car in slide situations. Having said that... hooray for a flame free drift section for drivers to share stories of their 7's.

TheDarkRacer

lol drift story's..... i kinda got one.....

sonick117x

do tell

KhanArtisT

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Really? I could've sworn...

Sure, style I don't care if your cars are "nice" or not, ziptie-ing body panels, having ugly *** paint jobs and ugly *** oversized wheels is not respecting the vehicle. If you like getting passed by mildly modded Hondas on slicks in the apex of a turn while you do a "mad tyte" JDM dorifto then have fun. Just don't do it with an RX-7. I don't think any smart person in a $90,000 car would be caught dead at a drift event. So congrats, you made a dumbass sport and now you think you beat the more expensive cars because they don't bother to participate in something so retarded. Its more a competition of how little respect you have of the vehicle (more comfortable hitting walls) than how much.

I would much rather OUT PERFORM a more expensive car by beating it in a time attack competition, as in the clock. Not a dumbass show with judges.

Drifting is an excuse for owning a poor handling vehicle. Its a joke towards Japanese cars and only makes the competition look better.

Cliff notes:

Drifting = slow, excuse for owning a crappy car.
"Gripping" = fast, well engineered vehicle, proper suspension setup, good driver skill.

Roen

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Alright, KhanArtist, I think you've said your piece, this is the Drift section after all. Let's keep it at that.