You obviously dont pay attention much to nascar (no matter how much of it you have or do watch) They may still be turning the same direction as they are travelling, but they are loose as all hell. That back end is pretty far out there in relation to the way the front wheels are pointed (down the straightaway) right out of the cornerl.

No one in motorsports is really "rich" Take a look at the costs involved...especially for something like nascar or INDY. Thats a whole new motor, transmission, rear end, all new oil, coolant, all the fuel for the event and transport of car and crew, however many sets of tires/wheels, new body, crew wages, crew uniforms, time spent repairing car, reapplying paint/vinyl decals, fabricating a new rollcage/tube frame and the sheet metal, tools (snap on aint cheap...), fitting the parts together, tuning the engine, testing new parts, tweaking existing parts to try to get everything correct...Per race,and im sure there is more.

I personally dont like when people say that drifting is gay, or that any motorsport is gay, when they dont do it. Even then, the sport is not gay, even if you dont like it.

I have a love for all cars. I have 3 very different ones at the moment...(vette, F150, RX7) and work on hot rods for a living...e.g. 1934 Pontiac...1940 Oldsmobile...

While I may not care for civics and integras (or anything FWD for that matter) if the build is done correctly...and by that I mean time taken, parts and pieces matched together, and assembled with care, effort taken to make sure that it looks somewhat factory (or like its supposed to be there) instead of just a hodgepodge of rusty parts with grease all over the place, I am going to at least respect what they are doing.

Not to say that everything has to be polished, painted, or chromed, but put the time in to make it look as nice as is feasible for what you are doing.

 

i love people like this you sound alittle full of yourself there buddy... people drift because they want to because they enjoy the sport of it if you will... there is no reason for anyone to hate on drifters just because YOU think its a "waste" of a car" because to be perfectly honest I could car less about what YOU think about the things i enjoy doing and im pretty sure alot of people will agree with me on that... and as far as you comment about pos cars on shitty tires i know many of people who have purpose drift cars that with very minimal changes would dust you and your "grip" setup so fyi do us all a favor deflate that big *** head of yours and keep your opinions to yourself

 

sorry for getting off topic again mod i was just alittle aggrivated i dont take kindly to close minded people

 

Wow, this thread is ******* four months old people.

First of all, if you could care less about what I think of what you do with your car then why did you get aggravated enough to reply to my post? It shouldn't have bothered you one bit...Maybe you just like the idea of not caring about what other people think, when really you feed off of or rely on people thinking that drifting is cool because it makes you feel better, but thats just a guess...

Secondly, its great that you enjoy being slow and "having fun" but IIRC the first post described drifting as a racing technique which its not. And I know it feels good to nut swing your buddy and use his car to boost your ego but talk is cheap, if you're not going to make the effort into driving here then don't talk ****.

Just to correct, drifting is a "next level" of driving when compared to drag racing or street racing. It is typical of Americans to buy a sports car or "hot rod" to say they have one and use it as a status symbol, then occasionally race at red lights when the time comes. Then they crash because they don't have proper car control and then cry about street racing deaths. Or some are "hot rodders" and don't believe in turning at all. This does NOT hold true whatsoever for road racers or autocrossers or even someone that has an interest in performance driving.

But as for the highlighted sentence, are you kidding me? Adding power only makes you faster on the straights, and braking points are just one of a THOUSAND ways of becoming faster. Not even with just driving but proper setup of the chassis and suspension, going into a whole engineering aspect of it. And just about anyone with autocross or track experience and good knowledge of chassis and suspension setups can learn drifting and be good at it, its not a goddamn talent. Most of us just respect our cars too much to **** them up with zipties and bodykits and refuse to partake in such a dumb "sport".

It doesn't look like you guys have a very good judge of character, calling me close minded. I was born and raised in Pakistan, moved here and adapted to the culture and lifestyle and now want to move to Japan and do it all over again. I'm the goddamn model of being open minded, but if I see someone doing something retarded I'm not going to cheer them on just for the sake of being open minded.

When I DD'd my car I got sideways every chance I got. Intersections, U turns, parking lots, everything. The kids at school (UTI) call me "drift king" because they've never seen anyone turn so fast since the roads are flat here and everyone drives straight. I love getting sideways and its fun but you eventually want more out of your car when you realize you work your *** off for it, like competition, though this may just be me since I'm a naturally competitive person because of the way I was raised.

I don't care if you love drifting or hate it, just don't compare it to racing, or going fast.

 

He turns from pro racer to psychologist lol i dont have any weird complex like that lol now back on topic where do you get this idea that drifting is slow?? i meant unless you hit 150mph+ while your racing drifting is no slower it has low and high speed corners just like any form of road racing or autocross... but i can see where this is gonna end up so if it makes you feel better you enjoy grip i enjoy drift thats all it comes down to im just gonna leave it at that

 

KhanArtisT, please don't let bad apples ruin the whole tree.

higher levels of drifting, requires a lot of suspension modification much like autocross. really, engine work should be the lowest priority of any drifter. alignments are key, steering angle and bumpsteer, castor and toe settings- everything is important.

Drifters are known for having a "f**k it" attitude- i know i do. that's where the zip-ties, broken body kits, and mismatched wheels and paint come in. visual aesthetics are not important.

The point of drifting is to show off how close you get to the wall, how sideways you get, how fast you drive, how much smoke is produced- it's about driving rediculously. That's why the cars sometimes look rediculous. It's just our style.

Think of it like how old school VW drivers like rust and slamming their cars, or how rally drivers love to show the much mud is on the sides of their cars. We like to break things and put them back on with zipties- because they're just going to fall off again.

And a factor as to why its becoming popular, is that to get started, all you need is a RWD car. that's it. once you have that, then you can decide on an LSD and coilover options. from there it's about adding what you need. right now my needs are more steering angle and more power- so i'm modifying my knuckles and using oem t2 parts to turbo my n/a. you only need to buy parts in relation as to how competitive you want to be. there's plenty of guys out there drifting stock suspension and lsd cars and do just fine.

im not trying to attack you, im just hoping you wont group the idiots with the drifters that know what they're doing. my experiences include drag racing, open lapping and autocross in my civic the past 5 years, and just this year i've made the switch to RWD and started drifting and autocrossing.

 

Well this is F**k up Spokane is dropping drift! That is retarted! Now to drift Legal we will have to drive up to portland or seattle and that is 6 to 8hrs away! F**K that makes me so mad!

 

Wow so you do drift....or attempt to. if so then why bash on it here? As far as being a next level of driving, your statements prove that it is. I lived in Japan for 10 years. I have also spent time in Korea, Thailand and England. I started out dragging then did time attack. I have times from Ebisu north course, Nikko, and Tskuba. I was Vice President of TSCC and ran and autocross event every month as well as other gymkhana events. I used the same car for all of those events. Drifting is a race technique and the sport of drifting is expounding on that one aspect of driving. You need braking points proper line and speed to accomplish it. I am not talking about doing circles in lots or low medium speed manuvers. I do agree anyone who does road racing and is good can grasp drifting and become quite good at it in less time than someone who does not do it regularly but it is not something you can just hop in a car and do.
I used to work with a guy who is a National Champion for MazdaSpeed and he had to really think about what imputs to use in order to stay sideways since it is the opposite of regular road racing. I am not personally attacking you or your beliefs....I really don't care because I have a room full of trophies and enjoy drifting and am challenged by it. I am not so much challenged by turning lap times on a track although I do enjoy it.

Also regarding tires..... only beginners and those who do not know use crappy tires. If you want to go fast you need good tires. I am using S03 pole positions on my car at the current time. I invite you to come drift and see how good you are. That goes for anyone who thinks its easy or dumb. Don't cop out cuz you are scared.

 

^ good post. I have a shop in anaheim ca, i build and maintain Porsche road race cars. I have an fc drift car, and i enjoy drifting more than road racing. Most of my clients thought drifting was just for kids, until they went for a ride with me. now they respect it. They might not want to do it themselves, but they understand that there is skill involved. anyone can drive a race car, and anyone can slide a car around a corner. doing it well, being consistent and fast requires a lot of skill and talent.

Oh, and drifting is NOT racing. we don't run transponders, and no one brings a stop watch to the track when their drifting. It should not be compared to racing.

 

No one said drifting doesn't take skill, but this is the main point that everyone needs to realize.

I personally can't stand kids who pretend drifting is racing.

As far as which has more skill? I would still be more inclined to say road racing, as in drifting, you never encounter traffic that you have to work around, or how to set someone up through consecutive corners, all of which are musts for the champion road racer. It's along the same vein as considering wheel-to-wheel racing as needing more skill than time trial / time attack. Racing is so much more than getting in and driving fast.

When did drifting become a race technique, btw? Continuous sliding from corner entry to exit is really useable in racing? Catching / managing oversteer is a race technique. Drifting, in its current form, is the application / exaggeration of existing race techniques, but by itself, is nowhere near a race technique. Someone want to tell me where in the Nuerburgring, you want to pass someone with a feint drift?

Not bashing drifting here people, just making sure everyone is clear on what's racing and what isn't.

 

No ones bashing anything. I think the sport is retarded and a waste of nice cars and tires and thats my opinion, it shouldn't affect you in any way whatsoever.

Most of your post is pretty random info, I appreciate you sharing your opinion. And I don't "attempt" to drift, if I'm entering an intersection with a green light at speed and I'm not racing anyone I'd rather get sideways as its more fun. This does not in any way mean that I'm even remotely interested in drifting, or I'd have my alignment and suspension setup differently. As for the trophies the downsyndrome analogy comes to mind Its funny the way you challenge me, it just makes you look childish and gives me more of a reason to not take what you say seriously. A road racer turned drifter would have 1000000000000x more knowledge of suspension/ chassis setups and driving skill than the typical 240 kid that bolts on coilovers and welds his diff and goes to drift events to make him feel good about owning a POS. Most of us just think its a dumb sport (easy or not) and would rather not slam our cars (to a point where susp. geometry is significantly affected), or ziptie ugly body kits.

This is getting very repetitive. ITS A GODDAMN OPINION PEOPLE. You're on a public forum, get over it.

 

Its whatever dude. Zipties have a purpose. My body kit is not ugly, we all share the same body kits no matter what type of driving you do. I challenge you because you carry the burden of proof to uphold what you are saying I am not arguing I am stating facts. There are skills in drifting with managing traffic, covering your line and passing. Tandem and multicar drift is harder than single runs same as hot lapping is easier than racing with traffic. It is just harder to pass when you are already sideways.

I think american drifting and the hype lifestyle has turned people off to drifting and nobody sees the multi corner multicar drifting. Pro series drifting has cut it down to 3 corners for the most part.

 

American drifting, passing is discouraged compared to Japanese drifting, always one of my main quirks against it. I wonder why they don't run longer courses, or multi-lap battles?

Body kits are available for all of the cars, but there is a certain population of people who gravitate towards the showy ones more than the others. I think that's what the point was.

There are some skills in managing traffic, but I can't imagine a time when you have to think about how to approach a corner with a backmarker in front of you, a car behind you trying to pass, and you trying to pass the backmarker without losing your spot to the guy behind you. Tandem and multi-car just doesn't cover that level of sophistication, it's simply pass or be passed, or if no passing happens, then whose drive was the most exciting. Drifting runs are just too short to cover the full range of techniques, as a lap driver, you have to cover so much more since the races are that much longer. Perhaps with longer battles, more techniques will be required to win.

The best analogy to compare the two is ice sports. Drifting is technical and showy, like figure skating's short program, where Racing is all about the fastest line and the smoothest movements in the pursuit of speed, like speed skating. People can like whichever, it's not the biggest deal in the world if one likes one but not the other.

 

I never understood the ziptie thing. But I guess when you throw fiberglass panels on your car and slam it to the ground you don't want anything semi permanent because it's just going to break the first run then you have to ziptie it back together and it looks like *** IMO. I'd much rather have stock s5 panels and not have a painter on speed dial.

 

Ehh. I say mods lock this thread so no more people who dont "understand" why drifting is fun, popular and CHALLENGING stop posting in it.

 

I quit because of arrogant idiots much like the ones parading around in this thread. Was it fun, of course, is it still fun yes, is having the local ricer boys selling off there **** to buy RWD **** fun, no because they are ******** and will put you in a damn wall if you are not careful.

 

+1

more and more articles of idiots spinning their moms lincolns in circles and end up hurting someone or breaking something get labeled as "drifting". yes, there are a lot of idiots out there who hop in a cheap 240sx and just clutch kick or pull the e-brake, spin around, and call it drifting. but there's a lot more people out there who are serious as any other (for lack of a better term) racer.

come on, i spent last weekend with my old high school autoshop teacher, a die-hard auto-xer who is actually very good, he places at the top of his class and the only reason he's not THE fastest is because he drives a somewhat stock late 60's chevy corsa with a whopping 140whp. the only guys faster than him are the porches, vipers, and other cars with the HP to haul *** in the straight line.

anyways, i got him to ride with me at the last drift event, where they were doing auto-x at the other end of the track. he said it was very fun, looked difficult, but it just wasn't for him. but being the die-hard auto-xer i was glad he could at least UNDERSTAND it.

it was pretty funny that day actually.. during lunch break a couple of the old auto-xers came over and started asking questions..

what are the cones for? - those are the apex's we drift around
so there's no gates to go through? - nope, it's pretty much freestyle
interesting.. so how do you know who's the best? - you don't, you just do it for fun.

 

It's a vent thread, people are venting. Nothing wrong with that.

If flaming starts, then this thread gets locked.

 

ill tell you guys what

ima keep drifting because I like it

end of story

you don't compare figure skating to the 1000m dash do you ?

 

more power to you.

I'm sure you'd help me smack the posers who do compare figure skating to the 100m.

 

im not feeling that analogy cuz figure skating is gay. im sure EVERYONE can agree on that one



lol

 

Hmm....but drifting is a technical competition that's judged via points......just like figure skating, where as racing is competition against the clock, like speed skating.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with figure skating, even if it is cars sliding around a track.

 

could be considered gay

but it is still an olympic sport

realistically, it makes sense to compare drifting to racing, because anything and everything that involves a car and motor sports, is a race against the clock.....except drifting

 

Um.....you lost me here.

 

But when you compete you are racing to stay ahead of the guy behind you so you do not lose.