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03-19-08, 09:49 PM
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Really? I could've sworn...
Sure, style
I don't care if your cars are "nice" or not, ziptie-ing body panels, having ugly *** paint jobs and ugly *** oversized wheels is not respecting the vehicle. If you like getting passed by mildly modded Hondas on slicks in the apex of a turn while you do a "mad tyte" JDM dorifto then have fun. Just don't do it with an RX-7. I don't think any smart person in a $90,000 car would be caught dead at a drift event. So congrats, you made a dumbass sport and now you think you beat the more expensive cars because they don't bother to participate in something so retarded. Its more a competition of how little respect you have of the vehicle (more comfortable hitting walls) than how much.
I would much rather OUT PERFORM a more expensive car by beating it in a time attack competition, as in the clock. Not a dumbass show with judges.
Drifting is an excuse for owning a poor handling vehicle. Its a joke towards Japanese cars and only makes the competition look better.
Cliff notes:
Drifting = slow, excuse for owning a crappy car.
"Gripping" = fast, well engineered vehicle, proper suspension setup, good driver skill.
Sure, style
I don't care if your cars are "nice" or not, ziptie-ing body panels, having ugly *** paint jobs and ugly *** oversized wheels is not respecting the vehicle. If you like getting passed by mildly modded Hondas on slicks in the apex of a turn while you do a "mad tyte" JDM dorifto then have fun. Just don't do it with an RX-7. I don't think any smart person in a $90,000 car would be caught dead at a drift event. So congrats, you made a dumbass sport and now you think you beat the more expensive cars because they don't bother to participate in something so retarded. Its more a competition of how little respect you have of the vehicle (more comfortable hitting walls) than how much.I would much rather OUT PERFORM a more expensive car by beating it in a time attack competition, as in the clock. Not a dumbass show with judges.
Drifting is an excuse for owning a poor handling vehicle. Its a joke towards Japanese cars and only makes the competition look better.
Cliff notes:
Drifting = slow, excuse for owning a crappy car.
"Gripping" = fast, well engineered vehicle, proper suspension setup, good driver skill.
Respect to the car? In alot of people's opinion you are disrespecting the car by driving it, or racing it, or even touching it, what you said is your opinion to be completely honest. People like you think they are high and mighty because you "drive for the fastest time", who cares? There is no point in participating in a motorsport if you arent having fun. So take your head out of your ***.
Oh and by the way cars with drift setups with slicks have been found to hold just as high g's as a road racing car . Drift cars are usually setup to be induced into a drift by just aggresivley turning in but that can be easily changed.
Oh and IMO most scca home built Honda Challenge cars and pro-7 cars look like complete crap. There are some nice ones but in the end who cares? Not the driver, all they want is to go fast and there is nothing wrong with that. But I can do the same thing to my car and look good while doing it but my definiton of good looks wont be the same as yours thats for sure.
03-19-08, 10:32 PM
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I have to admit, the 18"+ rims on cars and impractical body kits (which fall off, or are always broken) makes the sport just that much less appealing to me. Dont get me wrong, I love watching drift videos and whatnot, but I really dont like seeing hack job body kits and stupidly large (and heavy) rims associated w/ performance of any kind.
I've been in a few drift cars at several autocross events and driver skills aside, the vast majority of the cars have horrible setups (in my opinion of course). It always seems to me that they just slap some name brand stuff in the car if they can afford it and never even consider tuning.
One fellow in particular asked if I could give him some council on how he can go faster around a very tight autocross course. I went along for the ride and was impressed with his driving abilities as the car (86 corolla) was quite a handfull. At the end of the run, I complimented his driving abilities and mentioned that his suspension was far too stiff to 'take in' any energy from the corners. I told him that some simple dampening adjustments and raising the car about 1" would greatly improve how the car tackles corners. Suffice to say he scoffed at my comments and drove off. His times never really improved that day.
I've been in a few drift cars at several autocross events and driver skills aside, the vast majority of the cars have horrible setups (in my opinion of course). It always seems to me that they just slap some name brand stuff in the car if they can afford it and never even consider tuning.
One fellow in particular asked if I could give him some council on how he can go faster around a very tight autocross course. I went along for the ride and was impressed with his driving abilities as the car (86 corolla) was quite a handfull. At the end of the run, I complimented his driving abilities and mentioned that his suspension was far too stiff to 'take in' any energy from the corners. I told him that some simple dampening adjustments and raising the car about 1" would greatly improve how the car tackles corners. Suffice to say he scoffed at my comments and drove off. His times never really improved that day.
03-19-08, 10:42 PM
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lol drift story... ill do it in cliff notes...
Just got the 7.
Thought the e-break was broken.
Friend came over.
showed him the broken e-break
It turned out to not be broken.
my 7 pwnt a curb.
Just got the 7.
Thought the e-break was broken.
Friend came over.
showed him the broken e-break
It turned out to not be broken.
my 7 pwnt a curb.
03-19-08, 11:30 PM
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Roen: I believe this is a discussion on drifting, as in the sport. I'm giving my opinion, just like everyone else.
Of course everything can be changed, its the right combination of all the changes that makes you fast. It takes knowledge, engineering and countless testing to come up with the right setup that will yield the best performance. Its a little more complicated than swapping an engine, bolting on some coilovers, putting on shitty tires and making smoke. Oh and of course the "technique" 
You're driving an RX-7, Mazda's SPORTS CAR. Its purpose is to be driven FAST, as in faster than the competition. Respecting the car is building it do what it was designed to do (besides the compromises for streetability). And no, I don't think highly of myself at all, I simply enjoy high performance driving. I feel much more of an adrenaline rush pulling high G's than I ever will sliding and seeing smoke in my rear view, as my opponent passes me and leaves me in the dust. So next time a Porsche 944 runs up on you while you're driving on a twisty back road and leaves your ***, try saying "hay its okay i made more smoke than him!"
And no, you wouldn't be "doing the same thing" because you're drifting, not going fast. Like I said, I don't care what your car looks like or what your driving style is. If you can set local track time attack records drifting then do it and I'll respect the sport more.
Pictures speak a 1000 words:
Speedsource RX8 Le Mans racecar:
RE-Amemiya RX-7
FD dorifto mobile:
You tell me which one of these not only looks 1000000 times better but represents rotary engines and RX cars all over the world?
Last time I checked everything you mentioned about why drift cars handle poorly can be changed (tires, wheels, spring rate, damper bound and rebound settings, etc). One thing that cant be changed is a bad driver. A good driver will beat a bad driver in the same circumstances any day.
Respect to the car? In alot of people's opinion you are disrespecting the car by driving it, or racing it, or even touching it, what you said is your opinion to be completely honest. People like you think they are high and mighty because you "drive for the fastest time", who cares? There is no point in participating in a motorsport if you arent having fun. So take your head out of your ***.
Oh and by the way cars with drift setups with slicks have been found to hold just as high g's as a road racing car . Drift cars are usually setup to be induced into a drift by just aggresivley turning in but that can be easily changed.
Oh and IMO most scca home built Honda Challenge cars and pro-7 cars look like complete crap. There are some nice ones but in the end who cares? Not the driver, all they want is to go fast and there is nothing wrong with that. But I can do the same thing to my car and look good while doing it but my definiton of good looks wont be the same as yours thats for sure.
Respect to the car? In alot of people's opinion you are disrespecting the car by driving it, or racing it, or even touching it, what you said is your opinion to be completely honest. People like you think they are high and mighty because you "drive for the fastest time", who cares? There is no point in participating in a motorsport if you arent having fun. So take your head out of your ***.
Oh and by the way cars with drift setups with slicks have been found to hold just as high g's as a road racing car . Drift cars are usually setup to be induced into a drift by just aggresivley turning in but that can be easily changed.
Oh and IMO most scca home built Honda Challenge cars and pro-7 cars look like complete crap. There are some nice ones but in the end who cares? Not the driver, all they want is to go fast and there is nothing wrong with that. But I can do the same thing to my car and look good while doing it but my definiton of good looks wont be the same as yours thats for sure.
You're driving an RX-7, Mazda's SPORTS CAR. Its purpose is to be driven FAST, as in faster than the competition. Respecting the car is building it do what it was designed to do (besides the compromises for streetability). And no, I don't think highly of myself at all, I simply enjoy high performance driving. I feel much more of an adrenaline rush pulling high G's than I ever will sliding and seeing smoke in my rear view, as my opponent passes me and leaves me in the dust. So next time a Porsche 944 runs up on you while you're driving on a twisty back road and leaves your ***, try saying "hay its okay i made more smoke than him!"
And no, you wouldn't be "doing the same thing" because you're drifting, not going fast. Like I said, I don't care what your car looks like or what your driving style is. If you can set local track time attack records drifting then do it and I'll respect the sport more.
Pictures speak a 1000 words:
Speedsource RX8 Le Mans racecar:
RE-Amemiya RX-7
FD dorifto mobile:
You tell me which one of these not only looks 1000000 times better but represents rotary engines and RX cars all over the world?
03-20-08, 01:53 AM
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Really? I could've sworn...
I would much rather OUT PERFORM a more expensive car by beating it in a time attack competition, as in the clock. Not a dumbass show with judges.
Drifting is an excuse for owning a poor handling vehicle. Its a joke towards Japanese cars and only makes the competition look better.
Cliff notes:
Drifting = slow, excuse for owning a crappy car.
"Gripping" = fast, well engineered vehicle, proper suspension setup, good driver skill.
I would much rather OUT PERFORM a more expensive car by beating it in a time attack competition, as in the clock. Not a dumbass show with judges.
Drifting is an excuse for owning a poor handling vehicle. Its a joke towards Japanese cars and only makes the competition look better.
Cliff notes:
Drifting = slow, excuse for owning a crappy car.
"Gripping" = fast, well engineered vehicle, proper suspension setup, good driver skill.
Roen: I believe this is a discussion on drifting, as in the sport. I'm giving my opinion, just like everyone else.
Of course everything can be changed, its the right combination of all the changes that makes you fast. It takes knowledge, engineering and countless testing to come up with the right setup that will yield the best performance. Its a little more complicated than swapping an engine, bolting on some coilovers, putting on shitty tires and making smoke. Oh and of course the "technique"
You're driving an RX-7, Mazda's SPORTS CAR. Its purpose is to be driven FAST, as in faster than the competition. Respecting the car is building it do what it was designed to do (besides the compromises for streetability). And no, I don't think highly of myself at all, I simply enjoy high performance driving. I feel much more of an adrenaline rush pulling high G's than I ever will sliding and seeing smoke in my rear view, as my opponent passes me and leaves me in the dust. So next time a Porsche 944 runs up on you while you're driving on a twisty back road and leaves your ***, try saying "hay its okay i made more smoke than him!"
And no, you wouldn't be "doing the same thing" because you're drifting, not going fast. Like I said, I don't care what your car looks like or what your driving style is. If you can set local track time attack records drifting then do it and I'll respect the sport more.
Pictures speak a 1000 words:
Speedsource RX8 Le Mans racecar:
RE-Amemiya RX-7
FD dorifto mobile:
You tell me which one of these not only looks 1000000 times better but represents rotary engines and RX cars all over the world?
Of course everything can be changed, its the right combination of all the changes that makes you fast. It takes knowledge, engineering and countless testing to come up with the right setup that will yield the best performance. Its a little more complicated than swapping an engine, bolting on some coilovers, putting on shitty tires and making smoke. Oh and of course the "technique"
You're driving an RX-7, Mazda's SPORTS CAR. Its purpose is to be driven FAST, as in faster than the competition. Respecting the car is building it do what it was designed to do (besides the compromises for streetability). And no, I don't think highly of myself at all, I simply enjoy high performance driving. I feel much more of an adrenaline rush pulling high G's than I ever will sliding and seeing smoke in my rear view, as my opponent passes me and leaves me in the dust. So next time a Porsche 944 runs up on you while you're driving on a twisty back road and leaves your ***, try saying "hay its okay i made more smoke than him!"
And no, you wouldn't be "doing the same thing" because you're drifting, not going fast. Like I said, I don't care what your car looks like or what your driving style is. If you can set local track time attack records drifting then do it and I'll respect the sport more.
Pictures speak a 1000 words:
Speedsource RX8 Le Mans racecar:
RE-Amemiya RX-7
FD dorifto mobile:
You tell me which one of these not only looks 1000000 times better but represents rotary engines and RX cars all over the world?
but yes if i wanted to i could come down to your local track and tear it up and smash you little local records and maby i would kick it sideways at the last turn just cuz i can. any one can find a shitty car that drifts or a shitty car that dose road courses. vise versa. that means nothing. just dont come in to this thread hating on what you cant do. 
03-20-08, 04:02 AM
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1. Khan, i respect your opinion on what we do as everyone has their own, but i dont see why its necessary to come into a drifting section talking about time attacks and the fact that we can't beat records by doing it, we know that but records aren't what we're shooting for.
2. SidewayzGTU, honestly i don't see why your getting all offended by what someone else says, in no way, shape, or form is what he's saying going to affect what you do with your car. the car is exactly what it is YOURS, so do what you want with it. Don't let peoples opinions bite you in the *** all the time cause that just makes you look kinda retarded. Especially by stating that you can go out and break records on his home turf. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and as you can tell when it comes to Rx7club they will state them. so you gotta learn to let them blow by.
as for drifting, sure it may not be a race technique, but in truth its a driving technique that most of us apply because we have fun doing it. some people get their jollies by doing a 10 second pass, or taking a turn on a track as fast as they possibly can. But this sub-forum was made for people who enjoy drifting as a form of fun and just doing it. thus why i see it that no one should come in here bashing our fun hobby.
sorry for the rant but this is getting ridiculous
2. SidewayzGTU, honestly i don't see why your getting all offended by what someone else says, in no way, shape, or form is what he's saying going to affect what you do with your car. the car is exactly what it is YOURS, so do what you want with it. Don't let peoples opinions bite you in the *** all the time cause that just makes you look kinda retarded. Especially by stating that you can go out and break records on his home turf. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and as you can tell when it comes to Rx7club they will state them. so you gotta learn to let them blow by.
as for drifting, sure it may not be a race technique, but in truth its a driving technique that most of us apply because we have fun doing it. some people get their jollies by doing a 10 second pass, or taking a turn on a track as fast as they possibly can. But this sub-forum was made for people who enjoy drifting as a form of fun and just doing it. thus why i see it that no one should come in here bashing our fun hobby.
sorry for the rant but this is getting ridiculous
03-20-08, 06:12 AM
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LOLZ the main reason why our bumpers always fall off is because when we graze walls or fly over burms(rumble strips) or accidentally hit a cone we would rather the zipties snap and have the body pieces come off and just get scrathced or slightly crack rather than the bumper smashed into a million pieces because it is bolted down. And please dont say well you all should learn to drive better and not make mistakes. Ayrton Senna made mistakes and he was one of the highest caliber race car drivers ever. Mistakes are a part of anything.
Khanartist I respect your opinion but I am just expressing mine. I wouldnt bring my "drift car" to the local road course and expect to beat track records I would get another car and build it completely different. But then again the cars you posted are completely different. The Re-Amemiya and Mazdaspeed cars are purpose built road race cars backed by million if not billion dollar companies. Their funding isnt unlimited but they have a hell of alot more money to spend on their cars than Calvin Wan. That white FD is his personal car which most of the money comes out of his own pocket. You know Re-Amemiya produced a drift car as well though right?
In the end it's all fun to me. Drifting is laid back which is why I prefer to spend my money on it more than road racing. Road racing is fun as well but people make it so stressful and talk so much bull **** that it gets you all strung up. I will always have a love for both and will always try to do both as much as possible though. Because you know it is possible to do different kinds of motorsports.
Khanartist I respect your opinion but I am just expressing mine. I wouldnt bring my "drift car" to the local road course and expect to beat track records I would get another car and build it completely different. But then again the cars you posted are completely different. The Re-Amemiya and Mazdaspeed cars are purpose built road race cars backed by million if not billion dollar companies. Their funding isnt unlimited but they have a hell of alot more money to spend on their cars than Calvin Wan. That white FD is his personal car which most of the money comes out of his own pocket. You know Re-Amemiya produced a drift car as well though right?
In the end it's all fun to me. Drifting is laid back which is why I prefer to spend my money on it more than road racing. Road racing is fun as well but people make it so stressful and talk so much bull **** that it gets you all strung up. I will always have a love for both and will always try to do both as much as possible though. Because you know it is possible to do different kinds of motorsports.
03-20-08, 07:23 AM
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I have to say it's gettin on my nerves too, that you'll get flamed if you write something about drifting....
I don't like it as a competition either, I don't like how D1 cars look like, and how they drift.
BUT I love drifting !
Just a different style.... I love how Keiichi Tsuchiya drifts, with just a good suspension setup and a lsd ,.... with no extra settings or mods that are just usefull for drifting...
I don't like it as a competition either, I don't like how D1 cars look like, and how they drift.
BUT I love drifting !
Just a different style.... I love how Keiichi Tsuchiya drifts, with just a good suspension setup and a lsd ,.... with no extra settings or mods that are just usefull for drifting...
03-20-08, 08:13 AM
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Drifting is a fun sport. That's all it should be about. I love it and thats all that should really matter.
Who gives a **** about what other people think, especially those simple minded folks who think its retarded just because you don't have the best lap time. Its about having a good time with a bunch of goofballs in their cars. Do it, or don't.
I don't knock any other kind of racing just because I prefer drifting. But it seems to not be the case for all the grip gods around here. To each their own, randomly bashing a sport because you don't like it is Childish.
Who gives a **** about what other people think, especially those simple minded folks who think its retarded just because you don't have the best lap time. Its about having a good time with a bunch of goofballs in their cars. Do it, or don't.
I don't knock any other kind of racing just because I prefer drifting. But it seems to not be the case for all the grip gods around here. To each their own, randomly bashing a sport because you don't like it is Childish.
03-20-08, 08:28 AM
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Roen: I believe this is a discussion on drifting, as in the sport. I'm giving my opinion, just like everyone else.
Of course everything can be changed, its the right combination of all the changes that makes you fast. It takes knowledge, engineering and countless testing to come up with the right setup that will yield the best performance. Its a little more complicated than swapping an engine, bolting on some coilovers, putting on shitty tires and making smoke. Oh and of course the "technique"
You're driving an RX-7, Mazda's SPORTS CAR. Its purpose is to be driven FAST, as in faster than the competition. Respecting the car is building it do what it was designed to do (besides the compromises for streetability). And no, I don't think highly of myself at all, I simply enjoy high performance driving. I feel much more of an adrenaline rush pulling high G's than I ever will sliding and seeing smoke in my rear view, as my opponent passes me and leaves me in the dust. So next time a Porsche 944 runs up on you while you're driving on a twisty back road and leaves your ***, try saying "hay its okay i made more smoke than him!"
And no, you wouldn't be "doing the same thing" because you're drifting, not going fast. Like I said, I don't care what your car looks like or what your driving style is. If you can set local track time attack records drifting then do it and I'll respect the sport more.
Pictures speak a 1000 words:
Speedsource RX8 Le Mans racecar:
RE-Amemiya RX-7
FD dorifto mobile:
You tell me which one of these not only looks 1000000 times better but represents rotary engines and RX cars all over the world?
Of course everything can be changed, its the right combination of all the changes that makes you fast. It takes knowledge, engineering and countless testing to come up with the right setup that will yield the best performance. Its a little more complicated than swapping an engine, bolting on some coilovers, putting on shitty tires and making smoke. Oh and of course the "technique"
You're driving an RX-7, Mazda's SPORTS CAR. Its purpose is to be driven FAST, as in faster than the competition. Respecting the car is building it do what it was designed to do (besides the compromises for streetability). And no, I don't think highly of myself at all, I simply enjoy high performance driving. I feel much more of an adrenaline rush pulling high G's than I ever will sliding and seeing smoke in my rear view, as my opponent passes me and leaves me in the dust. So next time a Porsche 944 runs up on you while you're driving on a twisty back road and leaves your ***, try saying "hay its okay i made more smoke than him!"
And no, you wouldn't be "doing the same thing" because you're drifting, not going fast. Like I said, I don't care what your car looks like or what your driving style is. If you can set local track time attack records drifting then do it and I'll respect the sport more.
Pictures speak a 1000 words:
Speedsource RX8 Le Mans racecar:
RE-Amemiya RX-7
FD dorifto mobile:
You tell me which one of these not only looks 1000000 times better but represents rotary engines and RX cars all over the world?
03-20-08, 10:52 AM
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03-20-08, 12:56 PM
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SidewaysGTU: You're just babbling on now, take a break. Like someone said MY opinion is just that, why does it mean that much to you? 
RE TurboII: I agree that it looks like fun, wacking off is fun too but it doesn't get you anywhere. The thread starter made this thread trying to prove 'drifting' as a racing technique and said that it worked because it made it easier to keep momentum in corners, which is BS.
Afro88: K then, heres Jack Mardikian's personal car, that set the unlimited RWD record at buttonwillow:
I met stupid drifter kids all the time when I lived in VA and there were nice twisty roads around. All they wanted to do was go to parking lots and do donuts, occasionally getting a slide in and babbling for like straight 30 minutes about how AWESOME that drift was. Just made it that much funnier the look on their face riding shotgun in a properly setup and well driven RX-7 on a tight course. Funny part? Most of them drove Miatas
I agree that drifting is fun, just don't confuse it with high performance driving. Thats all.
RE TurboII: I agree that it looks like fun, wacking off is fun too but it doesn't get you anywhere. The thread starter made this thread trying to prove 'drifting' as a racing technique and said that it worked because it made it easier to keep momentum in corners, which is BS.
Afro88: K then, heres Jack Mardikian's personal car, that set the unlimited RWD record at buttonwillow:
I met stupid drifter kids all the time when I lived in VA and there were nice twisty roads around. All they wanted to do was go to parking lots and do donuts, occasionally getting a slide in and babbling for like straight 30 minutes about how AWESOME that drift was. Just made it that much funnier the look on their face riding shotgun in a properly setup and well driven RX-7 on a tight course. Funny part? Most of them drove Miatas
I agree that drifting is fun, just don't confuse it with high performance driving. Thats all.
03-20-08, 01:18 PM
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IMHO donuts aren't drifting, there donuts. not everyone are drifter punks either (not saying that you stated that) but i get the sense you think that of most of us. going out to events with set up courses or hitting tracks is drifting. i personally dont see it as high performance driving, more of high skilled driving for those who actually do drift as it takes skill to learn where to catch the car, counter-steer and keep the drift continuous.
but on a side note, LMAO miatas? built miatas are good. but im guessing those kids your talking about had like lowered stock wheels with an option2 sticker above the exhaust and thought their cars were the ****. you should go ride along with a skilled driver on a real course thats technical and it'll be alot funner
but on a side note, LMAO miatas? built miatas are good. but im guessing those kids your talking about had like lowered stock wheels with an option2 sticker above the exhaust and thought their cars were the ****. you should go ride along with a skilled driver on a real course thats technical and it'll be alot funner
03-20-08, 02:45 PM
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Kahartist wasent trying to bash on you and if you have read i have since recanted my statement becuz i agree with new tires drifting now isnt the fastest way around a corner. i simply was trying to portray the fact that im sick of getting flamed on everytime i say i like to drift. i have a pretty set car as far as autocross and i love going to the track and using it. but i also love drifting. its fun to watch fun to do.
you dont see tour de france bagging on bmx. you dont see people who race on skies or snowboards bagging on the x games people. so why must the people into cars bag on drifting. cars werent made to go fast they were made to get you from a to b. we made up racing and made racecars. now we made up drifting. let it be.
you dont see tour de france bagging on bmx. you dont see people who race on skies or snowboards bagging on the x games people. so why must the people into cars bag on drifting. cars werent made to go fast they were made to get you from a to b. we made up racing and made racecars. now we made up drifting. let it be.
03-20-08, 04:32 PM
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Hmm, one question for these guys who say they hate drifting....
do you hate drifting like that too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rkgN_Isf3o
or drifts you see in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoYwRTud3R8
or only that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nfLxg7xNgw
(can't find better examples right now, but you should know what I mean)
do you hate drifting like that too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rkgN_Isf3o
or drifts you see in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoYwRTud3R8
or only that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nfLxg7xNgw
(can't find better examples right now, but you should know what I mean)
03-20-08, 04:57 PM
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i just want to throw out there that I noticed the only point that has been made that drifting is not RACING .... Well sorry to inform all the "intellects" out there lol.... but a Race can be defined as: Any contest or competition to achieve superiority. For Example you have entered into a RACE, that is a DISCUSSION of what is RACING and what is not! LOL
OH AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THERE WAS NO CARS, DRIVING, SLIDES ORRRR TIMES INVOLVED IN THIS RACE!!!
OH AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THERE WAS NO CARS, DRIVING, SLIDES ORRRR TIMES INVOLVED IN THIS RACE!!!
03-20-08, 05:08 PM
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HA HA.........very funny *sarcasm*
If you're serious, I think you're the only person that shares your opinion.
A race can also be defined as any inbreeding group, including taxonomic subspeicies.
But we're not using that definition, now are we?
A race is a competition of speed against an objective criteria.
If you're serious, I think you're the only person that shares your opinion.
A race can also be defined as any inbreeding group, including taxonomic subspeicies.
But we're not using that definition, now are we?
A race is a competition of speed against an objective criteria.
03-20-08, 05:32 PM
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Hmm, one question for these guys who say they hate drifting....
do you hate drifting like that too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rkgN_Isf3o
or drifts you see in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoYwRTud3R8
or only that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nfLxg7xNgw
(can't find better examples right now, but you should know what I mean)
do you hate drifting like that too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rkgN_Isf3o
or drifts you see in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoYwRTud3R8
or only that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nfLxg7xNgw
(can't find better examples right now, but you should know what I mean)
JDM_FC I appreciate your attempt at bringing humor into this discussion but I probably got dumber after reading your post. I honestly hope you were joking.
Burnout competitions are fun too, why don't you build your car for just that? Then win a couple of events and come up to a real drag racer explaining that the more smoke you make with your tires, the more grip you will have in your initial launch. Thats about as stupid as this dumbass thread.
I think the pleasure people get from drifting is the same reason the OP made this thread, because you THINK you're going fast when you have no idea what fast is.
03-20-08, 06:01 PM
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As defined by who?
I have 2 different dictionaries right here and each of them say:
Contest of speed: a contest to decide who is the fastest, e.g. between runners or horseback riders.
contest between rivals: a contest between two or more people seeking to do or reach the same thing, or do or reach something first.
Drifting in proffesional or grass roots forms are neither of these.
Khanartist: IMO these look just as good as what you posted.
Of course they arent as rugged and beefy as the red FD but they arent built for the same thing. It's ok to like different things. Because I also think this is badass:
Of course they arent race cars but they are bad *** in their own right. (I own an MX62 cressida as my daily driver).
My kind of drifting is more grass roots. Not quite proffesional and sponsored with an expensive full ride contract, but better than most and 10x's better than the lamo's you see doing doughnuts in parking lots. Drifting kind of like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQdYI...eature=related
Some of those guy's were semi sponsored then and have full sponsorships now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO4dje-zTL0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWUGMz8--uM
What speed devil listed with the "rotary brothers" is with primarily stock cars. It's fun and the reason they dont make alot of smoke is because they dont have enough power to make a **** ton of smoke or they drift on damp surfaces.
Drifting to me isnt sliding around a turn or two. Most people who slightly know about how cars react to certain cituations can do that (i.e. pretty much everyone, just like how everyone can drive around a road course). When you can link consecutive corners smoothly and be able to shift from gear to gear while being in different positions of the rpm band is what it's all about. You dont need smoke, hell I'm coming from a 90hp corolla, there was very little smoke if any. Being smooth is what it's all about.
The people you met Khan are the lames, the posers. I have ridden in Pro-7 scca cars, I have been on Infineon flying over burms, it's just as exhilerating as drifting and not scary one bit. The people you met were the Fast and The furious kids with dodge neons and undeglow street racer version of drifters, they dont know **** about proper setup or what it really requires to get to the proffesional level. They probably think Keiichi Tsuchiya is the best "drifter" ever even though he never even competed in drifting competions.
Khanartist at least you are open to other opinions and I respect that. If you want to meet the people who really drift and know what they are doing go to a Just drift event at Buttonwillow (if you are located in southern california), talk to some of the better drivers, they will undoubtedly show you what it's all about. They know what it takes to build a competitive road racing car so they have respect for road racing and they know what it takes to be an all around good driver. You will probably never find a competant drifter doing doughnuts in a parking lot, trust me.
Extremely long post, I'm done in this thread.
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I have 2 different dictionaries right here and each of them say:
Contest of speed: a contest to decide who is the fastest, e.g. between runners or horseback riders.
contest between rivals: a contest between two or more people seeking to do or reach the same thing, or do or reach something first.
Drifting in proffesional or grass roots forms are neither of these.
Khanartist: IMO these look just as good as what you posted.
Of course they arent as rugged and beefy as the red FD but they arent built for the same thing. It's ok to like different things. Because I also think this is badass:
Of course they arent race cars but they are bad *** in their own right. (I own an MX62 cressida as my daily driver).
My kind of drifting is more grass roots. Not quite proffesional and sponsored with an expensive full ride contract, but better than most and 10x's better than the lamo's you see doing doughnuts in parking lots. Drifting kind of like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQdYI...eature=related
Some of those guy's were semi sponsored then and have full sponsorships now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO4dje-zTL0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWUGMz8--uM
What speed devil listed with the "rotary brothers" is with primarily stock cars. It's fun and the reason they dont make alot of smoke is because they dont have enough power to make a **** ton of smoke or they drift on damp surfaces.
Drifting to me isnt sliding around a turn or two. Most people who slightly know about how cars react to certain cituations can do that (i.e. pretty much everyone, just like how everyone can drive around a road course). When you can link consecutive corners smoothly and be able to shift from gear to gear while being in different positions of the rpm band is what it's all about. You dont need smoke, hell I'm coming from a 90hp corolla, there was very little smoke if any. Being smooth is what it's all about.
The people you met Khan are the lames, the posers. I have ridden in Pro-7 scca cars, I have been on Infineon flying over burms, it's just as exhilerating as drifting and not scary one bit. The people you met were the Fast and The furious kids with dodge neons and undeglow street racer version of drifters, they dont know **** about proper setup or what it really requires to get to the proffesional level. They probably think Keiichi Tsuchiya is the best "drifter" ever even though he never even competed in drifting competions.
Khanartist at least you are open to other opinions and I respect that. If you want to meet the people who really drift and know what they are doing go to a Just drift event at Buttonwillow (if you are located in southern california), talk to some of the better drivers, they will undoubtedly show you what it's all about. They know what it takes to build a competitive road racing car so they have respect for road racing and they know what it takes to be an all around good driver. You will probably never find a competant drifter doing doughnuts in a parking lot, trust me.
Extremely long post, I'm done in this thread.
JJJEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFZZZZZZZZZ
03-20-08, 07:06 PM
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@Afro88:
YAY, low down style Bosozoku !!!
For me, keiichi is the best drifter too,...because he drifts so perfect, he's not overdoing it like the competition drifters.
They can have smoke and drift angle as much they want, in the end tsuchiya still makes the prettier drift.
this is another good example what kind of drifting I like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d01VBR5nKPw
....the right mix of grip and drift....I love it.
@KhanArtisT:
You are right, but think about it in a different way,...imagine you're in the last lap of a race and your oponents are far behind you, your tires are worn, and you know you will win for sure,...then you drift the last lap, just for fun. ...that's what tsuchiya did , and sometimes he drifted during the race too, and still won.
If he would drift and lose, that would be something different, ...that would suck ...But yeah, he won .
YAY, low down style Bosozoku !!!
They can have smoke and drift angle as much they want, in the end tsuchiya still makes the prettier drift.
this is another good example what kind of drifting I like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d01VBR5nKPw
....the right mix of grip and drift....I love it.
@KhanArtisT:
You are right, but think about it in a different way,...imagine you're in the last lap of a race and your oponents are far behind you, your tires are worn, and you know you will win for sure,...then you drift the last lap, just for fun. ...that's what tsuchiya did , and sometimes he drifted during the race too, and still won.
If he would drift and lose, that would be something different, ...that would suck
...But yeah, he won .
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I guess that wasnt my last post...... this thread is so diverse I cant help it.
What Keiichi does in the videos is usually known as speed drifting. It's faster than showy style drifts but is still cool. Trust me if you are good enough to be in D1 you are good enough to drift in many different ways. You dont usually see D1 drivers drift like that but Keiichi Tsuchiya even admits he isnt good enough to compete with the newer drivers, they all joke around calling him old man (like "the old man is too old to do smokey drifts like Nomuken" etc) and such even though there are drivers his age driving in the competition. He is a good driver, otherwise he wouldnt have driven in the JGTC (super gt), but he isnt the best, being THE BEST is a hard thing to accomplish.
What Keiichi does in the videos is usually known as speed drifting. It's faster than showy style drifts but is still cool. Trust me if you are good enough to be in D1 you are good enough to drift in many different ways. You dont usually see D1 drivers drift like that but Keiichi Tsuchiya even admits he isnt good enough to compete with the newer drivers, they all joke around calling him old man (like "the old man is too old to do smokey drifts like Nomuken" etc) and such even though there are drivers his age driving in the competition. He is a good driver, otherwise he wouldnt have driven in the JGTC (super gt), but he isnt the best, being THE BEST is a hard thing to accomplish.
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Sorry to anyone that I may have gotten dumber if I had expanded your definition of the word Race ..... and btw Dictionary.com defines the Word Race......I like "Competition Racing" I like a judged RACE either way it is a Race to see who can win.... I like them both....I am not closed to either type of competition...aka Race..... Good luck to all this season and have fun and be safe......
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Well of course words have different definitions. In the english language the form and or setting, pronunciation, speed, and place within the sentence as well as other things determine how it is defined at the given time. Every single word in my last sentence may have a different definition but if you place that form of the word in place of what I typed it wouldnt make any sense. Therefore saying that what most people in this conversation (thread) see as a race at the given moment is not the proper definition is foolish. The definition of a word is usually what the majority of the people believe it is, at the time making it the sole definition, if the conversation changed then it would change the definition. Anyone can hop into a conversation and say 'oh no he is right/wrong because the word can also be used like this'. Thats not how the majority of the people here or in many cases view the word so technically at this time it is incorrect.
This thread is waaaaaaaaaayyyy off topic right now. Save english for english class(myself included).
This thread is waaaaaaaaaayyyy off topic right now. Save english for english class(myself included).
03-20-08, 08:00 PM
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afro: the first pic is badass and I have it, but they're not drifting. All the other ones are hideous examples of RX-7s...but thats only my opinion.
The rotary brother's video and the 86 video both showed a driving style that I can actually respect, just because not only does it look fun but it looks fast. I am completely with SPEEDDEVIL on that style of driving, I also enjoy watching it. If it proved to actually be fast I would like it more, but as of now its nothing but entertainment.
Sure, if you're that far ahead of your competition then you can make smoke the last lap and please the crowd. Still doesn't prove anything, other than the fact that drifting is "cool" (as afro describes it) and attracts a crowd. I think its cool too, but is it worth building a slow *** car just to impress a crowd and have fun? No, I'd rather be competing with cars that cost more at their own sport, like what Mazda built these cars to do.
Setting track records after competing against more expensive (european) cars is representing your platform (Mazda/RX cars/rotary engines), your ability to build a road race car, your driving skill and most importantly your passion. Thats accomplishing something, this is "fun" for some people. Crazy isn't it?
JDM_FC: thanks, really. I can read a dictionary but like roen pointed out, thats not the definition of race being used in this discussion. The contest of speed definition is more like it.
The rotary brother's video and the 86 video both showed a driving style that I can actually respect, just because not only does it look fun but it looks fast. I am completely with SPEEDDEVIL on that style of driving, I also enjoy watching it. If it proved to actually be fast I would like it more, but as of now its nothing but entertainment.
You are right, but think about it in a different way,...imagine you're in the last lap of a race and your oponents are far behind you, your tires are worn, and you know you will win for sure,...then you drift the last lap, just for fun. ...that's what tsuchiya did , and sometimes he drifted during the race too, and still won.
If he would drift and lose, that would be something different, ...that would suck ...But yeah, he won .
If he would drift and lose, that would be something different, ...that would suck
...But yeah, he won .Setting track records after competing against more expensive (european) cars is representing your platform (Mazda/RX cars/rotary engines), your ability to build a road race car, your driving skill and most importantly your passion. Thats accomplishing something, this is "fun" for some people. Crazy isn't it?
JDM_FC: thanks, really. I can read a dictionary but like roen pointed out, thats not the definition of race being used in this discussion. The contest of speed definition is more like it.