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08-29-08, 04:39 AM
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You obviously dont pay attention much to nascar (no matter how much of it you have or do watch) They may still be turning the same direction as they are travelling, but they are loose as all hell. That back end is pretty far out there in relation to the way the front wheels are pointed (down the straightaway) right out of the cornerl.
No one in motorsports is really "rich" Take a look at the costs involved...especially for something like nascar or INDY. Thats a whole new motor, transmission, rear end, all new oil, coolant, all the fuel for the event and transport of car and crew, however many sets of tires/wheels, new body, crew wages, crew uniforms, time spent repairing car, reapplying paint/vinyl decals, fabricating a new rollcage/tube frame and the sheet metal, tools (snap on aint cheap...), fitting the parts together, tuning the engine, testing new parts, tweaking existing parts to try to get everything correct...Per race,and im sure there is more.
I personally dont like when people say that drifting is gay, or that any motorsport is gay, when they dont do it. Even then, the sport is not gay, even if you dont like it.
I have a love for all cars. I have 3 very different ones at the moment...(vette, F150, RX7) and work on hot rods for a living...e.g. 1934 Pontiac...1940 Oldsmobile...
While I may not care for civics and integras (or anything FWD for that matter) if the build is done correctly...and by that I mean time taken, parts and pieces matched together, and assembled with care, effort taken to make sure that it looks somewhat factory (or like its supposed to be there) instead of just a hodgepodge of rusty parts with grease all over the place, I am going to at least respect what they are doing.
Not to say that everything has to be polished, painted, or chromed, but put the time in to make it look as nice as is feasible for what you are doing.
No one in motorsports is really "rich" Take a look at the costs involved...especially for something like nascar or INDY. Thats a whole new motor, transmission, rear end, all new oil, coolant, all the fuel for the event and transport of car and crew, however many sets of tires/wheels, new body, crew wages, crew uniforms, time spent repairing car, reapplying paint/vinyl decals, fabricating a new rollcage/tube frame and the sheet metal, tools (snap on aint cheap...), fitting the parts together, tuning the engine, testing new parts, tweaking existing parts to try to get everything correct...Per race,and im sure there is more.
I personally dont like when people say that drifting is gay, or that any motorsport is gay, when they dont do it. Even then, the sport is not gay, even if you dont like it.
I have a love for all cars. I have 3 very different ones at the moment...(vette, F150, RX7) and work on hot rods for a living...e.g. 1934 Pontiac...1940 Oldsmobile...
While I may not care for civics and integras (or anything FWD for that matter) if the build is done correctly...and by that I mean time taken, parts and pieces matched together, and assembled with care, effort taken to make sure that it looks somewhat factory (or like its supposed to be there) instead of just a hodgepodge of rusty parts with grease all over the place, I am going to at least respect what they are doing.
Not to say that everything has to be polished, painted, or chromed, but put the time in to make it look as nice as is feasible for what you are doing.
Your right I don't watch NACAR, I fall asleep but I have been lucky enough to have gone to a Stock car driving school. It cost a lot of money for a few days of driving and a License I will never use. It was fun thou. Any how the cars are not side ways or spinning wheels at a corner exit, if they were some one set that **** up wrong.
Point is NACAR drivers are bad *** at what the do and they suck at drifting with two days of practice. It takes time because it takes skill.
When I did the school I was 2 second under track qualifying pace. In racing that's a lot. That **** takes skill .
Also I don't think there word racing should be used with drifting because it just confuses people. There is a finish line but it is not time so there is no race. Only a judge skill of technical car control at high speeds around assigned objects .
Figure skating is gay but I'd watch a hot chick do it.
08-29-08, 09:02 PM
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Its slow. Theres not much more to it, I don't care if you drift around a track or grip it, if its fast then I'll respect your technique/ style. Most of the time not only is drifting a track slower but it also puts extra wear on the tires.
Maybe on mountain roads with tight hairpins and a slippery road surface drifting might be faster, but in most cases its slow. And no, the only time getting sideways looks even remotely "cool" is in a car thats built to grip (i.e. time attack built FD on Rs). When I see an ugly *** POS ziptied 240 on shitty tires put some smoke out I think wow, what a waste of a perfectly good car.
Drifting isn't about being fast, its about impressing judges and attracting idiots. Get over it
Maybe on mountain roads with tight hairpins and a slippery road surface drifting might be faster, but in most cases its slow. And no, the only time getting sideways looks even remotely "cool" is in a car thats built to grip (i.e. time attack built FD on Rs). When I see an ugly *** POS ziptied 240 on shitty tires put some smoke out I think wow, what a waste of a perfectly good car.
Drifting isn't about being fast, its about impressing judges and attracting idiots. Get over it
I dont think you get what it's really about... but thanks for the header, I hope you are not too angry that it's going on a drift car!
08-29-08, 09:16 PM
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And burned to the ground on three... YES, THREE separate occasions! WTF was up with that? I loved the car, and it's not like twins make mistakes like that, so I wonder what kept causing it?
10-14-08, 12:06 AM
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They have more money than the other people (even though tony stewart is a giant cry baby with a bad stench about him...) because they have been around for a long time, and their name is known. Look at the rookies though...does it look like people pamper them the same way?
Im not saying that NO one in racing is rich...but the majority of the drivers are out there doing what they do for fun, and make a decent living...they arent all living in beach houses with private runways and jets. Regardless of race series...F1, Nascar, SCCA...etc.
Im sure that the driving school was fun...more information and ripping up a track in someone elses car is always fun. But when those cars are set up for all out speed, they are set loose. Loose is fast. Loose means extreme slip angle on the edge of traction. Hence sliding. They have a 20+ degree slip angle at times.
I never said nascar drivers werent good...they are great at making left turns all day. Some of them can even run the road courses alright...and thats a feat in itself that they arent crashing in EVERY corner on sears point. But they do have an understanding of car control, and the limits of their race cars. Adapting to a new style, or new avenue of racing would be much easier for them than the normal person.
I realize that 2 seconds can mean alot in racing. There have been races decided in the thousandths of seconds. Not motorsports in a notable way recently...but the Bejing olympics. Phelps.
Okay, so its a judged run around predetermined points, set on a predetermined driving line. If you remove the judged part, it is a race. D1 and its derivitaves may not be a race...but a Togue battle, or a chase/follow would be a race.
Being a figure skater wouldnt be gay though...youd get to fondle your girlfriend in public, and not be a registered sex offender for it.
And yes, before the flames start coming in, I do know its been 2 months since the last post. Holy Thread Revival Bat man. Hah.
Im not saying that NO one in racing is rich...but the majority of the drivers are out there doing what they do for fun, and make a decent living...they arent all living in beach houses with private runways and jets. Regardless of race series...F1, Nascar, SCCA...etc.
Im sure that the driving school was fun...more information and ripping up a track in someone elses car is always fun. But when those cars are set up for all out speed, they are set loose. Loose is fast. Loose means extreme slip angle on the edge of traction. Hence sliding. They have a 20+ degree slip angle at times.
I never said nascar drivers werent good...they are great at making left turns all day. Some of them can even run the road courses alright...and thats a feat in itself that they arent crashing in EVERY corner on sears point. But they do have an understanding of car control, and the limits of their race cars. Adapting to a new style, or new avenue of racing would be much easier for them than the normal person.
I realize that 2 seconds can mean alot in racing. There have been races decided in the thousandths of seconds. Not motorsports in a notable way recently...but the Bejing olympics. Phelps.
Okay, so its a judged run around predetermined points, set on a predetermined driving line. If you remove the judged part, it is a race. D1 and its derivitaves may not be a race...but a Togue battle, or a chase/follow would be a race.
Being a figure skater wouldnt be gay though...youd get to fondle your girlfriend in public, and not be a registered sex offender for it.
And yes, before the flames start coming in, I do know its been 2 months since the last post. Holy Thread Revival Bat man. Hah.
Sorry I just saw this. So really Jeff Gordon or Tony Stewart are not rich hmm? https://www.rx7club.com/images/smilies/scratchhead.gif
Your right I don't watch NACAR, I fall asleep but I have been lucky enough to have gone to a Stock car driving school. It cost a lot of money for a few days of driving and a License I will never use. It was fun thou. Any how the cars are not side ways or spinning wheels at a corner exit, if they were some one set that **** up wrong.
Point is NACAR drivers are bad *** at what the do and they suck at drifting with two days of practice. It takes time because it takes skill.
When I did the school I was 2 second under track qualifying pace. In racing that's a lot. That **** takes skill .
Also I don't think there word racing should be used with drifting because it just confuses people. There is a finish line but it is not time so there is no race. Only a judge skill of technical car control at high speeds around assigned objects .
Figure skating is gay but I'd watch a hot chick do it.
Your right I don't watch NACAR, I fall asleep but I have been lucky enough to have gone to a Stock car driving school. It cost a lot of money for a few days of driving and a License I will never use. It was fun thou. Any how the cars are not side ways or spinning wheels at a corner exit, if they were some one set that **** up wrong.
Point is NACAR drivers are bad *** at what the do and they suck at drifting with two days of practice. It takes time because it takes skill.
When I did the school I was 2 second under track qualifying pace. In racing that's a lot. That **** takes skill .
Also I don't think there word racing should be used with drifting because it just confuses people. There is a finish line but it is not time so there is no race. Only a judge skill of technical car control at high speeds around assigned objects .
Figure skating is gay but I'd watch a hot chick do it.
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10-14-08, 08:59 AM
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Im not saying that NO one in racing is rich...but the majority of the drivers are out there doing what they do for fun, and make a decent living...they arent all living in beach houses with private runways and jets. Regardless of race series...F1, Nascar, SCCA...etc.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/formu...ch_are_fo.html
Kimi = $51 mil / year
"Schumacher, on the other hand, has retired to his Swiss mansion with a personal fortune of more than an estimated $800m"
Nascar drivers ~100k + 10% prize minimum salary.
http://www.prettygreatanswers.com/la...ing-a-race.htm
10-14-08, 11:58 PM
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Eh, I know...but I like my exxagerated version better.
SCCA, Spec Miatas, Spec 7's, ITA/ITS class...those dont really make a bunch of money...when you start getting into ALMS and things like that, money starts increasing, but its still not phenomenal...and the guys in IRL, F1, and those kinds of places are legitimately awesome at what they do. Even if not to people like michael shumacher.
Just remember, Shumacher was the guy that could tell what oil shell racing was using in his car...just by the way it revved, and idled on the course.
I will concede the point. But 100k a year isnt a whole lot...for racing its pretty good money, but as compared to what you could make as something else...it really isnt all that high...granted the other job probably wouldnt be as fun though.
SCCA, Spec Miatas, Spec 7's, ITA/ITS class...those dont really make a bunch of money...when you start getting into ALMS and things like that, money starts increasing, but its still not phenomenal...and the guys in IRL, F1, and those kinds of places are legitimately awesome at what they do. Even if not to people like michael shumacher.
Just remember, Shumacher was the guy that could tell what oil shell racing was using in his car...just by the way it revved, and idled on the course.
I will concede the point. But 100k a year isnt a whole lot...for racing its pretty good money, but as compared to what you could make as something else...it really isnt all that high...granted the other job probably wouldnt be as fun though.
Skimmed your post, I agree with most of it, but not this. Not SCCA, but when racers get to the top racing series, ie Nascar, IRL, F1, etc, they get plenty of money. Even the lower guys make money. Just like in the NFL there are players who make the minimum, but its still $285k.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/formu...ch_are_fo.html
Kimi = $51 mil / year
"Schumacher, on the other hand, has retired to his Swiss mansion with a personal fortune of more than an estimated $800m"
Nascar drivers ~100k + 10% prize minimum salary.
http://www.prettygreatanswers.com/la...ing-a-race.htm
http://timesonline.typepad.com/formu...ch_are_fo.html
Kimi = $51 mil / year
"Schumacher, on the other hand, has retired to his Swiss mansion with a personal fortune of more than an estimated $800m"
Nascar drivers ~100k + 10% prize minimum salary.
http://www.prettygreatanswers.com/la...ing-a-race.htm
10-15-08, 09:45 AM
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Eh, I know...but I like my exxagerated version better.
SCCA, Spec Miatas, Spec 7's, ITA/ITS class...those dont really make a bunch of money...when you start getting into ALMS and things like that, money starts increasing, but its still not phenomenal...and the guys in IRL, F1, and those kinds of places are legitimately awesome at what they do. Even if not to people like michael shumacher.
Just remember, Shumacher was the guy that could tell what oil shell racing was using in his car...just by the way it revved, and idled on the course.
I will concede the point. But 100k a year isnt a whole lot...for racing its pretty good money, but as compared to what you could make as something else...it really isnt all that high...granted the other job probably wouldnt be as fun though.
SCCA, Spec Miatas, Spec 7's, ITA/ITS class...those dont really make a bunch of money...when you start getting into ALMS and things like that, money starts increasing, but its still not phenomenal...and the guys in IRL, F1, and those kinds of places are legitimately awesome at what they do. Even if not to people like michael shumacher.
Just remember, Shumacher was the guy that could tell what oil shell racing was using in his car...just by the way it revved, and idled on the course.
I will concede the point. But 100k a year isnt a whole lot...for racing its pretty good money, but as compared to what you could make as something else...it really isnt all that high...granted the other job probably wouldnt be as fun though.
10-16-08, 01:56 PM
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Kahartist wasent trying to bash on you and if you have read i have since recanted my statement becuz i agree with new tires drifting now isnt the fastest way around a corner. i simply was trying to portray the fact that im sick of getting flamed on everytime i say i like to drift. i have a pretty set car as far as autocross and i love going to the track and using it. but i also love drifting. its fun to watch fun to do.
you dont see tour de france bagging on bmx. you dont see people who race on skies or snowboards bagging on the x games people. so why must the people into cars bag on drifting. cars werent made to go fast they were made to get you from a to b. we made up racing and made racecars. now we made up drifting. let it be.
you dont see tour de france bagging on bmx. you dont see people who race on skies or snowboards bagging on the x games people. so why must the people into cars bag on drifting. cars werent made to go fast they were made to get you from a to b. we made up racing and made racecars. now we made up drifting. let it be.
"your style is ugly"
"your bike is ugly"
"your clothes are too loose/tight"
"your hair is gay"
"i can smith better than you"
"You bitch crank your manuals"
"you run brakes, you suck"
"pegless sucks"
Etc.
I can go on and on and on.
hate is human nature. Normally it's blind ignorance but whatever.
FWD can drift, it's just a different kind of slide. If you're sliding the car and in full control of it, that's drifting imo. Granted, rwd > fwd, it's still drifting.
I say dont even worry about it. You're just going to turn blue in the face and
letting people diss you and get you down.There is no arument. Do what you do. If you get flammed, take it and brush your shoulders off. You're going to drift anyway, right? Stop caring what other people think.
