Any Drifters Out There?
02-27-08, 12:44 PM
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You guys shouldn't bash on drifting so much. Rx-7's are not that bad of drift cars. For one there one of the few japanse RWD's left. Although not as common as cars such as the 180sx or the silvia they are still used in many drift competitions. As for safe practice in the city its parking lots, but you will probably get caught. If you are close to the mountains its better cause at night some roads have next to no people. The best would be a race track thats open for practice. Weather you drive grip or drift do what you enjoy the most. There is no ultimate driving style because it all comes down to who's behind the wheel.
02-28-08, 03:20 PM
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But still, no matter how the **** you put it, someone wrote "Talk about your Drifts, Autocross, and Drag techniques in here only!!!", so if you ain't got anything to contribute in terms of drift related info, GET THE **** OUT. Gosh, you guys are like three year old kids......
02-28-08, 03:22 PM
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says the guy that has used the word "****" multiple times in this thread. 
immaturity has a different meaning to different people apparently.
Drifting DOES require technique but it's not a race technique. That's like having a 440 race and the guys who do the most pirouettes, yet finishes last is the winner. It takes skill to spin around like a ballerina, i'll give you that, but in the end the guys sprinting and finishing first HAVE the real RACING TECHNIQUE based on who finished in the fastest time, not who looked cool doing it.
Case in point: Buying tires because they give off a "COLORED" smoke to impress the judges cannot be considered a racing technique over the guy who buys the best tires to ensure he gets around the track as fast as possible. A guy that can get the best angle and can hold a drift and chain multiple turns IS SKILLED but it's not a RACING technique.
immaturity has a different meaning to different people apparently.Drifting DOES require technique but it's not a race technique. That's like having a 440 race and the guys who do the most pirouettes, yet finishes last is the winner. It takes skill to spin around like a ballerina, i'll give you that, but in the end the guys sprinting and finishing first HAVE the real RACING TECHNIQUE based on who finished in the fastest time, not who looked cool doing it.
Case in point: Buying tires because they give off a "COLORED" smoke to impress the judges cannot be considered a racing technique over the guy who buys the best tires to ensure he gets around the track as fast as possible. A guy that can get the best angle and can hold a drift and chain multiple turns IS SKILLED but it's not a RACING technique.
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02-28-08, 04:56 PM
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says the guy that has used the word "****" multiple times in this thread. immaturity has a different meaning to different people apparently.
Drifting DOES require technique but it's not a race technique. That's like having a 440 race and the guys who do the most pirouettes, yet finishes last is the winner. It takes skill to spin around like a ballerina, i'll give you that, but in the end the guys sprinting and finishing first HAVE the real RACING TECHNIQUE based on who finished in the fastest time, not who looked cool doing it.
Case in point: Buying tires because they give off a "COLORED" smoke to impress the judges cannot be considered a racing technique over the guy who buys the best tires to ensure he gets around the track as fast as possible. A guy that can get the best angle and can hold a drift and chain multiple turns IS SKILLED but it's not a RACING technique.
immaturity has a different meaning to different people apparently.Drifting DOES require technique but it's not a race technique. That's like having a 440 race and the guys who do the most pirouettes, yet finishes last is the winner. It takes skill to spin around like a ballerina, i'll give you that, but in the end the guys sprinting and finishing first HAVE the real RACING TECHNIQUE based on who finished in the fastest time, not who looked cool doing it.
Case in point: Buying tires because they give off a "COLORED" smoke to impress the judges cannot be considered a racing technique over the guy who buys the best tires to ensure he gets around the track as fast as possible. A guy that can get the best angle and can hold a drift and chain multiple turns IS SKILLED but it's not a RACING technique.
It says "Talk about your Drifts, Autocross, and Drag techniques in here only!!!", and as long as it does, this thread has a right to be here.
I am a racer AND a drifter, and I really don't care what you think about it. Just let the drifters get in touch here, and leave them alone. Is that so hard?
I also think it can be fun to put fuel on the fire once in a while, but this has just gotten stupid.
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02-28-08, 05:08 PM
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Yes....and the point is it shouldn't, since drifting is not racing.
That needs to be said. I'm just trying to get this thread moved into a drifting only section by raising it to the attention of the mods. That way all the drifters can enjoy their own section.
That needs to be said. I'm just trying to get this thread moved into a drifting only section by raising it to the attention of the mods. That way all the drifters can enjoy their own section.
02-28-08, 05:12 PM
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Edit: In drift competition you get points deducted or added for entry speed and such. To get the highest entry speed, in some courses, you really need to be quick round a few corners to be fastest. Doesn't that actually mean we're racing? At least more then the drag race boys... They just react on a light dammit :P *putting fuel to the fire*
02-28-08, 05:13 PM
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that's why Roen is asking for the forum to be split into drifting and real racing. SO the drifters can be happy about being considered as a RACE technique (whether or not it's true) and the rest don't have to deal with it unless they open that subforum.
The sticky should include the F&F quote on how to drift:
I'm most in control when it's out of control.
The sticky should include the F&F quote on how to drift:
Shawn Boswell: Well if I needed a 30 second lesson on how to drift...
Twinkie: All right look man there lots of ways you can do this all right. Handbraking is the easiest so the first thing I want you to do, i want you to rip that E-Brake all right. After you rip that E-Brake then I want you to power over.
[Shawn looks puzzled about the power over]
Twinkie: All right look man there lots of ways you can do this all right. Handbraking is the easiest so the first thing I want you to do, i want you to rip that E-Brake all right. After you rip that E-Brake then I want you to power over.
[Shawn looks puzzled about the power over]
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02-29-08, 08:24 AM
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i would give my opinion but itd be useless. The flamers are going to stand their ground and the drift supporters will stand their ground aswell. why dont you flamers just not look at threads talking about drift ,mind your own damn business and let it be.
02-29-08, 09:05 AM
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Because we'd rather not go into a RACE section and read drift threads, just like how you guys wouldn't want to go into a DRIFT section and find drag threads cluttering up half your section. Or go into a 2nd gen section and read 1st gen/3rd gen section, or go into a driving section and read about the latest lounge escapades.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be posting in a drift section when they do split it up, I'm just a big advocate of putting things where they belong.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be posting in a drift section when they do split it up, I'm just a big advocate of putting things where they belong.
02-29-08, 12:25 PM
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This thread reminds me of the arguments against desegregation in America back before I was born. lol. Why cant we all just get along lol. We all love cars, we all love or at least like rx7's. As long as we are driving them and enjoying them who cares?
It's funny how I always see people from other motorsports talking about how they hate drifting or think drifters are this or that or whatever. The arguments are usually "oh it's just sliding around in a circle" or "jabbing the clutch? anyone can do that" or even "I dont know I just like to go as fast as I can around a corner" etc. I guess they dont know there are course layouts that are well in excess of 100mph entry speeds, giving most cars/drivers the chance to go from the top of fourth or even fifth gear having to keep the car settled pefectly so when you set up for the next corner facing the opposite direction so you can transition perfectly. And really most forms of racing are really just driving in a circle (or blob or oval) besides drag racing and point to point style races. Most people who dont drift are always worried about that it's all about the viewer and judges and blah blah. Really drifitng is one of the most self gratifying if not the most self gratifying motorsport out there. There may not be any clocks counting away the seconds or milliseconds but if you suck you know you suck right away, and most drivers who drift admit that they suck (like me).
When I attended scca events at Infineon with my racing instructor I saw a **** load of people walking around like they were the biggest and baddest **** on the planet. When they took their 360 modenas (the ferrari or however you spell it) and 400hp fd's (or whatever expensive car) on the track they were getting passed by ae86's and first gen pro-7 cars on the corners ( epsecially at the carousel and tight corners), to me it's sad when you can be hunted down in the turns, by a pos (in comparison), in a much more expensive car. As much as other motorsport drivers hate to admit drifting is just as technical as any other sport, it's hard to prove that the drivers are any less skilled.
No time to judge you by. so what. Really you dont need any judge but yourself while drifting or even road racing, you will know if you have done well or not. Drivers should have faith in their ability but that and overconfidence are two different things.
End note: You can swap street tires for race tires, you can swap out 9kg springs for softer, but you can't change a bad driver who thinks he is the **** to a good driver who knows.
I'm done, driving is much more satisfying than talking **** to other drivers online any way.
BTW a few pages back who said "you guy's are comparing a 13b to a 4ag, no wonder people make fun of you, blah blah blah". I just want to know whats the differences between that and comparing an ls1 to a 13b? Or ls1 to a ka-t or 13bt to sr20 or vq35 or vg30 or any of the rb's or an ej25 or comparing any thing else to pretty much anything for that matter? Size? Power capability? Displacement? I'm just curious. They are two different kinds of engine, so what? When you are swapping one engine into a car other than another one you at some point compared them and weighed out the differences and gains of another to benefit you. I just dont see why people try to make themselves seem so riteous in their arguments when they more than likely just seem like an *** and prove little to nothing at all.
It's funny how I always see people from other motorsports talking about how they hate drifting or think drifters are this or that or whatever. The arguments are usually "oh it's just sliding around in a circle" or "jabbing the clutch? anyone can do that" or even "I dont know I just like to go as fast as I can around a corner" etc. I guess they dont know there are course layouts that are well in excess of 100mph entry speeds, giving most cars/drivers the chance to go from the top of fourth or even fifth gear having to keep the car settled pefectly so when you set up for the next corner facing the opposite direction so you can transition perfectly. And really most forms of racing are really just driving in a circle (or blob or oval) besides drag racing and point to point style races. Most people who dont drift are always worried about that it's all about the viewer and judges and blah blah. Really drifitng is one of the most self gratifying if not the most self gratifying motorsport out there. There may not be any clocks counting away the seconds or milliseconds but if you suck you know you suck right away, and most drivers who drift admit that they suck (like me).
When I attended scca events at Infineon with my racing instructor I saw a **** load of people walking around like they were the biggest and baddest **** on the planet. When they took their 360 modenas (the ferrari or however you spell it) and 400hp fd's (or whatever expensive car) on the track they were getting passed by ae86's and first gen pro-7 cars on the corners ( epsecially at the carousel and tight corners), to me it's sad when you can be hunted down in the turns, by a pos (in comparison), in a much more expensive car. As much as other motorsport drivers hate to admit drifting is just as technical as any other sport, it's hard to prove that the drivers are any less skilled.
No time to judge you by. so what. Really you dont need any judge but yourself while drifting or even road racing, you will know if you have done well or not. Drivers should have faith in their ability but that and overconfidence are two different things.
End note: You can swap street tires for race tires, you can swap out 9kg springs for softer, but you can't change a bad driver who thinks he is the **** to a good driver who knows.
I'm done, driving is much more satisfying than talking **** to other drivers online any way.
BTW a few pages back who said "you guy's are comparing a 13b to a 4ag, no wonder people make fun of you, blah blah blah". I just want to know whats the differences between that and comparing an ls1 to a 13b? Or ls1 to a ka-t or 13bt to sr20 or vq35 or vg30 or any of the rb's or an ej25 or comparing any thing else to pretty much anything for that matter? Size? Power capability? Displacement? I'm just curious. They are two different kinds of engine, so what? When you are swapping one engine into a car other than another one you at some point compared them and weighed out the differences and gains of another to benefit you. I just dont see why people try to make themselves seem so riteous in their arguments when they more than likely just seem like an *** and prove little to nothing at all.
02-29-08, 12:47 PM
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I already tried making a thread like this, but all i got was flamers....
Oh well. Glad to see so many drifters on the site! Well you can add my name to the list! KEEP GETTING SIDEWAYS!!
Oh well. Glad to see so many drifters on the site! Well you can add my name to the list! KEEP GETTING SIDEWAYS!!
02-29-08, 12:49 PM
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It's actually really funny to see expensive cars get passed by 80's cars in corners and such.
There's a usual joke that the head instructor tells before every HPDE when talking about point-by passing. "Now, if you're on the main straightaway in your Corvette, and in your rear-view mirror, you see this little Honda buzzing in behind you, make sure you point him by." Everyone usually gets a laugh out of that, but there is this guy in my autocross club who drives an old bubbleback.
He usually likes to shout out. "And I will!", whereby you see all the corvette owners scoffing and laughing.
However, after the first session, all the Corvette guys are pissed off because they all just got passed by the green bubble civic having a much better run out of the final corner.
Reminds me also of another time at Lime Rock Park where I was observing before my first session and I was talking to a fellow driver in my group. We were swapping information on rides, he had a brand new C6 Z06 and I had my 170 whp GTUs. He was commenting about how some cars just wouldn't get out of the way down a main straight. He then turned to me and said, "If you see me and my 500 hp Z06 coming down the main straight, you better get out of my way."
The funny part was that he started ahead of me in the pack and after the first lap, I was on him pretty tight. After the last corner, he pointed me by, but because of that comment he made earlier, I decided to ride him for another lap. I think he got a little annoyed since he started screwing up his lines (moreso than already). I knew he wasn't going to point me by this time since he really wanted to show his power down the main straight, so I made sure to get a great run down the last corner and set up to his inside, so I could freely floor the throttle to match his pace down the main straight. Even without a pointby and full throttle on his part, he only started pulling away from me when we were a few feet from his braking point. My braking point was a lot later so I just coasted down his side, and made sure I hit the brakes so they wouldn't throw me out for passing without a point by. I stuck on him for another lap and at the end, he lifted big time and pointed me by on our next trip down the straight.
I didn't see him in my rear view mirror or around the track the rest of the day.
I love making fun of bad drivers who think they're Michael Schumacher and refuse to improve on their skills.
There's a usual joke that the head instructor tells before every HPDE when talking about point-by passing. "Now, if you're on the main straightaway in your Corvette, and in your rear-view mirror, you see this little Honda buzzing in behind you, make sure you point him by." Everyone usually gets a laugh out of that, but there is this guy in my autocross club who drives an old bubbleback.
He usually likes to shout out. "And I will!", whereby you see all the corvette owners scoffing and laughing.
However, after the first session, all the Corvette guys are pissed off because they all just got passed by the green bubble civic having a much better run out of the final corner.
Reminds me also of another time at Lime Rock Park where I was observing before my first session and I was talking to a fellow driver in my group. We were swapping information on rides, he had a brand new C6 Z06 and I had my 170 whp GTUs. He was commenting about how some cars just wouldn't get out of the way down a main straight. He then turned to me and said, "If you see me and my 500 hp Z06 coming down the main straight, you better get out of my way."
The funny part was that he started ahead of me in the pack and after the first lap, I was on him pretty tight. After the last corner, he pointed me by, but because of that comment he made earlier, I decided to ride him for another lap. I think he got a little annoyed since he started screwing up his lines (moreso than already). I knew he wasn't going to point me by this time since he really wanted to show his power down the main straight, so I made sure to get a great run down the last corner and set up to his inside, so I could freely floor the throttle to match his pace down the main straight. Even without a pointby and full throttle on his part, he only started pulling away from me when we were a few feet from his braking point. My braking point was a lot later so I just coasted down his side, and made sure I hit the brakes so they wouldn't throw me out for passing without a point by. I stuck on him for another lap and at the end, he lifted big time and pointed me by on our next trip down the straight.
I didn't see him in my rear view mirror or around the track the rest of the day.
I love making fun of bad drivers who think they're Michael Schumacher and refuse to improve on their skills.
02-29-08, 06:23 PM
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Roen, come on man, 5 pages on a techinicality of what they named the section? Rename this this **** Motorsports Technique and let it be. You say this section is for "Racing" and drifting doesn't belong. Ok, well then I would like to think drift bashing has even less of a place here. Your complaining that drifting isn't a race technique in a Race Technique section. Take it to the mods, why bash drifters if currently this is the section available?
I'm sure you guys are all skilled drivers. But you mean to tell me all you road racer guys only like 1 form of motor sports? Race it, drag it, slide it, drive it to the store, just don't let it sit in in your driveway all broken and rusted.
I'm sure you guys are all skilled drivers. But you mean to tell me all you road racer guys only like 1 form of motor sports? Race it, drag it, slide it, drive it to the store, just don't let it sit in in your driveway all broken and rusted.
02-29-08, 07:26 PM
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I like drag, I like circuit racing, I like F1, I like cycle racing, I like drifting and love off-roading and rally racing. I hate the kid wannabe's and NASCAR though. Drifting is fun to do when you're waiting for the next group of cars to be done for your next run but I would not spend all day drifting on an open track day.
Who in their right mind comes in and asks "how many drifters out there?" in a RACE TECHNIQUES section?? If I saw a technique thread then whatever, it's not that big of a deal but asking silly questions like that isn't a good use of the RACE TECHNIQUES section. Can anyone else besides me comprehend that?
Who in their right mind comes in and asks "how many drifters out there?" in a RACE TECHNIQUES section?? If I saw a technique thread then whatever, it's not that big of a deal but asking silly questions like that isn't a good use of the RACE TECHNIQUES section. Can anyone else besides me comprehend that?
02-29-08, 07:56 PM
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Where would you have them post it?
I want to see your car and you drifting it. Since it's so easy and you only do it to mess around while you wait. Post it up, I have a feeling that what you and I consider drifting is totally different. But I could be wrong, so lets see it.
Where do you drive? Thunderhill? I have never been to a track day where you can drift while you wait for your next run group. Skid pad? I'v never driven Thunderhill.
I want to see your car and you drifting it. Since it's so easy and you only do it to mess around while you wait. Post it up, I have a feeling that what you and I consider drifting is totally different. But I could be wrong, so lets see it.
Where do you drive? Thunderhill? I have never been to a track day where you can drift while you wait for your next run group. Skid pad? I'v never driven Thunderhill.
02-29-08, 08:48 PM
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general automotive section seems appropriate.
Sure, I'll get a vid at the next track day. Been on Thunderhill, Infineon, and random local events over the last 4-5 years. This year we've only done T-hill and we're gonna try to go to Infineon by the summer but My TII has been under the knife. Worse case scenario I'll drive the NA. We'll see.
Where are your videos?
Guess where the line for the drift section was:
Don't get me wrong, some of those guys were good but i couldn't help but cringe when I heard them bouncing off the redline all day long. Like I said, it's fun but it's not my cup of tea. I hit the skidpad in the NA at this track event and did pretty mediocre considering I've done better but
it's not like I'm all about drifting. I held some good drifts, chained a few good ones but I was more interested in getting on the car on the track than I was about killing my new tires (long story).
If a bunch of drifters start making TECHNIQUE threads then more power to them and nobody can bitch them out. Until the whole "who drifts? who likes drifting? who dirfts their car?" threads stop it's not going to be considered serious,
Sure, I'll get a vid at the next track day. Been on Thunderhill, Infineon, and random local events over the last 4-5 years. This year we've only done T-hill and we're gonna try to go to Infineon by the summer but My TII has been under the knife. Worse case scenario I'll drive the NA. We'll see.
Where are your videos?
Guess where the line for the drift section was:
Don't get me wrong, some of those guys were good but i couldn't help but cringe when I heard them bouncing off the redline all day long. Like I said, it's fun but it's not my cup of tea. I hit the skidpad in the NA at this track event and did pretty mediocre considering I've done better but
it's not like I'm all about drifting. I held some good drifts, chained a few good ones but I was more interested in getting on the car on the track than I was about killing my new tires (long story).If a bunch of drifters start making TECHNIQUE threads then more power to them and nobody can bitch them out. Until the whole "who drifts? who likes drifting? who dirfts their car?" threads stop it's not going to be considered serious,
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02-29-08, 10:35 PM
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I don't see your car or any rx7. You have 2 cars and not 1 picture?
It wasn't a serious thread I don't believe, none the less in the appropriate section. So if he wants to talk about his drifts or others drifts, there it is. Why just not read it and skip over it? Ask for it to be move to the Lounge? Gen auto will have a bunch of people asking it to be moved as well don't you think? I mean come on, there are only like 4 threads in this damn section anyway and 3 are about drifting. You guys would be so bored if this thread didn't get posted.
Race Techniques
Talk about your Drifts, Autocross, and Drag techniques in here only!!!
I think you guys want to be here:
Race Car Tech
Discuss anything related to road racing and auto X.
There is currently no other section.
Video on HTM. Let me know if you want more pics, I have about 3K of them or I can direct to you about a dozen websites and media that covered the TopDrift events... Wrecked Magazine has a really nice video at HTM. These are from this past weekend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o52FLaHVmIw
Pics:
Top of 3rd gear entry, full throttle...
Exiting...
It wasn't a serious thread I don't believe, none the less in the appropriate section. So if he wants to talk about his drifts or others drifts, there it is. Why just not read it and skip over it? Ask for it to be move to the Lounge? Gen auto will have a bunch of people asking it to be moved as well don't you think? I mean come on, there are only like 4 threads in this damn section anyway and 3 are about drifting. You guys would be so bored if this thread didn't get posted.
Race Techniques
Talk about your Drifts, Autocross, and Drag techniques in here only!!!
I think you guys want to be here:
Race Car Tech
Discuss anything related to road racing and auto X.
There is currently no other section.
Video on HTM. Let me know if you want more pics, I have about 3K of them or I can direct to you about a dozen websites and media that covered the TopDrift events... Wrecked Magazine has a really nice video at HTM. These are from this past weekend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o52FLaHVmIw
Pics:
Top of 3rd gear entry, full throttle...
Exiting...
02-29-08, 11:06 PM
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https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...7&postcount=43
read my threads, plenty of pics and the reason we missed 1/2 the day and the lack of pics.
Sweet car BTW.
EDIT: HAHA, good video. I remember when it was posted a while back and still love it. You can't change my mind though. It's not the appropriate section.
read my threads, plenty of pics and the reason we missed 1/2 the day and the lack of pics.
Sweet car BTW.
EDIT: HAHA, good video. I remember when it was posted a while back and still love it. You can't change my mind though. It's not the appropriate section.
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