Any Drifters Out There?
12-11-07, 06:12 AM
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that's a commercial brainfart of the administration. They are trying to make it seem more welcoming to everyone, but we all know drifting isn't a racing technique.
And we also know that stupidity is contagious. If we let the driftards have their way, it wouldn't take long before you were unable to find legitimate threads in here.
And we also know that stupidity is contagious. If we let the driftards have their way, it wouldn't take long before you were unable to find legitimate threads in here.
Understanding Total Car control "Is" a part of racing.
Drifting is a driving technique.
If you don't get close to the point braking traction then you are slow!
If you break the limit of traction while racing you better know how to "Drift" to keep control.
Therefore drifting is a part of driving technique
You're probably the type who steps on their brakes when the rear brakes loose and just spins their car.
You sound more like a drift hater then someone who knows any racing technique because "Drifting" is a part of Racing Technique.
12-11-07, 11:23 AM
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driving technique != racing technique
Drifting also != catching an oversteer. If you break the limits of traction at speed, then you better know how to catch an oversteer, rather than know how to drift. Drifting is the intentional use of oversteer to clear a corner in the showiest and smokiest manner possible, at least that's what the D1GP and Formula D want you to think. Don't get oversteer correction and drifting confused.
Like Dial8 mentioned before in some other threads, if you start drifting around corners, then you'd have no chance in a race at all.
Anything not a racing technique should not be in the race techniques section. If there's a driving techniques section, then I'm all for it.
Drifting also != catching an oversteer. If you break the limits of traction at speed, then you better know how to catch an oversteer, rather than know how to drift. Drifting is the intentional use of oversteer to clear a corner in the showiest and smokiest manner possible, at least that's what the D1GP and Formula D want you to think. Don't get oversteer correction and drifting confused.
Like Dial8 mentioned before in some other threads, if you start drifting around corners, then you'd have no chance in a race at all.
Anything not a racing technique should not be in the race techniques section. If there's a driving techniques section, then I'm all for it.
12-15-07, 03:10 PM
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yeah dial is pretty much right
when i learned that drifting realy has nothing to do with racing, my perpspective changed. At first when i was just learning about everything, i realy wanted to be apart of the drift scene. then after watching NOPI and all that other bull ****
i realized that no one is even ******* racing at all
its all in show
i mean , i guess it could potentialy be used in a race
but its not practical and realy has no use in a racing situation.
its all in fun and show
not racing ... to my dissapointment
when i learned that drifting realy has nothing to do with racing, my perpspective changed. At first when i was just learning about everything, i realy wanted to be apart of the drift scene. then after watching NOPI and all that other bull ****
i realized that no one is even ******* racing at all
its all in show
i mean , i guess it could potentialy be used in a race
but its not practical and realy has no use in a racing situation.
its all in fun and show
not racing ... to my dissapointment
12-17-07, 06:19 PM
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just replying to the first couple of comments, you guys dont need to rip on him for asking a question like that thats what 240sx owners do, and besides some people do enjoy drifting a FC thank you, its hard but the results are amazing.
12-21-07, 05:25 AM
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You guys are funny argueing over if drifting is useful.
Of course it is depending on the corner the car and the available traction due to tire choice. There ARE times when drifting the car is faster in a corner. A 90 degree turn at an autocross is a good example if you are using low grip tires. I do it all the time. There's no way that you driving at 5mph through there is faster than me sliding through at 10mph don't be stupid.
This arguement is like somone agueing heel toe downshifting is useless on the street. Why would it be? If used for nothing else besides saving the clutch and syncronizers is that not reason enough?
Now flame this post like the little self concious ******* you are. Oh I think your the guys I always run faster at autocross then. Yeah pretty sure it's you guys.
Of course it is depending on the corner the car and the available traction due to tire choice. There ARE times when drifting the car is faster in a corner. A 90 degree turn at an autocross is a good example if you are using low grip tires. I do it all the time. There's no way that you driving at 5mph through there is faster than me sliding through at 10mph don't be stupid.
This arguement is like somone agueing heel toe downshifting is useless on the street. Why would it be? If used for nothing else besides saving the clutch and syncronizers is that not reason enough?
Now flame this post like the little self concious ******* you are. Oh I think your the guys I always run faster at autocross then. Yeah pretty sure it's you guys.
12-21-07, 06:52 AM
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You guys are funny argueing over if drifting is useful.
Of course it is depending on the corner the car and the available traction due to tire choice. There ARE times when drifting the car is faster in a corner. A 90 degree turn at an autocross is a good example if you are using low grip tires. I do it all the time. There's no way that you driving at 5mph through there is faster than me sliding through at 10mph don't be stupid.
This arguement is like somone agueing heel toe downshifting is useless on the street. Why would it be? If used for nothing else besides saving the clutch and syncronizers is that not reason enough?
Now flame this post like the little self concious ******* you are. Oh I think your the guys I always run faster at autocross then. Yeah pretty sure it's you guys.
Of course it is depending on the corner the car and the available traction due to tire choice. There ARE times when drifting the car is faster in a corner. A 90 degree turn at an autocross is a good example if you are using low grip tires. I do it all the time. There's no way that you driving at 5mph through there is faster than me sliding through at 10mph don't be stupid.
This arguement is like somone agueing heel toe downshifting is useless on the street. Why would it be? If used for nothing else besides saving the clutch and syncronizers is that not reason enough?
Now flame this post like the little self concious ******* you are. Oh I think your the guys I always run faster at autocross then. Yeah pretty sure it's you guys.
12-21-07, 12:00 PM
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You guys are funny argueing over if drifting is useful.
Of course it is depending on the corner the car and the available traction due to tire choice. There ARE times when drifting the car is faster in a corner. A 90 degree turn at an autocross is a good example if you are using low grip tires. I do it all the time. There's no way that you driving at 5mph through there is faster than me sliding through at 10mph don't be stupid.
This arguement is like somone agueing heel toe downshifting is useless on the street. Why would it be? If used for nothing else besides saving the clutch and syncronizers is that not reason enough?
Now flame this post like the little self concious ******* you are. Oh I think your the guys I always run faster at autocross then. Yeah pretty sure it's you guys.
Of course it is depending on the corner the car and the available traction due to tire choice. There ARE times when drifting the car is faster in a corner. A 90 degree turn at an autocross is a good example if you are using low grip tires. I do it all the time. There's no way that you driving at 5mph through there is faster than me sliding through at 10mph don't be stupid.
This arguement is like somone agueing heel toe downshifting is useless on the street. Why would it be? If used for nothing else besides saving the clutch and syncronizers is that not reason enough?
Now flame this post like the little self concious ******* you are. Oh I think your the guys I always run faster at autocross then. Yeah pretty sure it's you guys.
You might be going through at 10 mph, but unless you slide it perfectly with no countersteer, I'll be going through at around 10 mph also, and getting on the gas much earlier than you can. Countersteer is not your friend, it scrubs off speed.
12-21-07, 09:18 PM
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Funny how there's always one drifter near the top guys who drive a proper line........then again, with the level of tire grip these days, no tire has low enough grip to warrant drifting. In any SCCA class, R-comps are available. Even in STS racing, everyone and their mom runs RE-01R's if they're smart. No reason to drift there.
You might be going through at 10 mph, but unless you slide it perfectly with no countersteer, I'll be going through at around 10 mph also, and getting on the gas much earlier than you can. Countersteer is not your friend, it scrubs off speed.
You might be going through at 10 mph, but unless you slide it perfectly with no countersteer, I'll be going through at around 10 mph also, and getting on the gas much earlier than you can. Countersteer is not your friend, it scrubs off speed.
BTW I don't spell check and worry about grammar on a forum. I'm not writing a book your buying. I'm just e-thuging on you. lol you guys are great.
12-22-07, 11:27 PM
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12-30-07, 01:36 AM
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the front is light on a porsche
the engine is rear so when on throttle with the gas on you can get great angle with that car.
Let off the gas during that drift and spin you go unless you got amazing handles!!
the engine is rear so when on throttle with the gas on you can get great angle with that car.
Let off the gas during that drift and spin you go unless you got amazing handles!!
12-30-07, 11:24 AM
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That was my point exactly. You do not see angle of attacks like that on midship cars very often. Good to see a show of skill with the midship. Every drift a MR2? I didn't get enough seat time to get big angle in my buddies but he could hang it out pretty damn far almost every time, that bastard!
01-02-08, 08:28 PM
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In rally drifting is a needed tecnique. Rally racing (wrc for example) is on dirt therefore braking like you would use during road racing will not work. Instead of taking the chance of locking the brakes and over shooting or undershooting the proper turn in point drivers induce a "drift" for multiple effects. While in drift the driver can simultaneously scrub off speed while adjusting angle for the proper line. Some of you should watch it some times. Last time I checked rally racing is still...... racing.
Of course the sport of drifting is not racing, if you thought it was you were obviously mistaken (I personally think the term "drift racing" is pretty
) . Racing usually involves one driver finishing before the other or a driver driving under a clock. The sport of drifting is not timed (usually) and who finishes first isnt that important . Drifting does however require complete car control from the driver as well as personal preference from the driver on the way the car is setup (much like most forms of racing).
I myself do drift, I also enjoy road racing. My racing instructor (who happened to be my ex girl friends dad) taught me everything I know about driving technique and he hated drifting. Even though he hated drifting he did not deny that it required skill and was just as much of a motorsport as road racing, autox, or drag racing.
One thing that I have noticed though is that there is a big difference between the people who drift and the people who road race.
-People who drift are usually laid back and just want to have fun.
-People who road race are only there to win. To them winning is fun and they will do anything to achieve that even if it means hating everyone else at the track.
Now I'm saying this is what I have experienced first hand, I am in no way saying any of you are like that but thats what it seems like. I myself feel that road racing is so intense and nerve racking and awesome!!! I love it! Drifting is more for when I just want to go hang out with friends and waste tires going crazy. I love both.
Note: I think alot of you guy's should check out Gymkhana as it seems like most of you dont care to branch from just one motorsport. But please look at different motorsports with open minds. Gymkhana is a mix between autox and drifting, it's even more of an obstacle course for cars than autox. Recomended* this is done with a rwd or awd car though.
Of course the sport of drifting is not racing, if you thought it was you were obviously mistaken (I personally think the term "drift racing" is pretty
) . Racing usually involves one driver finishing before the other or a driver driving under a clock. The sport of drifting is not timed (usually) and who finishes first isnt that important . Drifting does however require complete car control from the driver as well as personal preference from the driver on the way the car is setup (much like most forms of racing).I myself do drift, I also enjoy road racing. My racing instructor (who happened to be my ex girl friends dad) taught me everything I know about driving technique and he hated drifting. Even though he hated drifting he did not deny that it required skill and was just as much of a motorsport as road racing, autox, or drag racing.
One thing that I have noticed though is that there is a big difference between the people who drift and the people who road race.
-People who drift are usually laid back and just want to have fun.
-People who road race are only there to win. To them winning is fun and they will do anything to achieve that even if it means hating everyone else at the track.
Now I'm saying this is what I have experienced first hand, I am in no way saying any of you are like that but thats what it seems like. I myself feel that road racing is so intense and nerve racking and awesome!!! I love it! Drifting is more for when I just want to go hang out with friends and waste tires going crazy. I love both.
Note: I think alot of you guy's should check out Gymkhana as it seems like most of you dont care to branch from just one motorsport. But please look at different motorsports with open minds. Gymkhana is a mix between autox and drifting, it's even more of an obstacle course for cars than autox. Recomended* this is done with a rwd or awd car though.
01-02-08, 08:47 PM
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Granted rally requires some sense of being able to slide the car, but that's the only thing they share in common. These days, the sideways style is being gradually phased out as tire traction technology improves. Look at the old days with the Group A and B cars. Major angle there, but these day's, the WRC cars don't even have half that much angle. It's going the same way road racing went, albeit a lot slower due to the inherent grip differences between tarmac and dirt/snow/ice/etc.
Even Gronholm admitted "Why should we drive sideways anymore? It's the slow way around." It was either him or Loeb who said that.
Even Gronholm admitted "Why should we drive sideways anymore? It's the slow way around." It was either him or Loeb who said that.
01-02-08, 09:51 PM
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True.
I was just stating that the definition of what drifting is, is primarily up to whoever is using it. To some it may be a technique, to others it is a sport, to some it's stupid. It means different things to different people to me drifting is a term like "gripping". To me a car is "gripping" whenever it is properly adhering to the road (as the tire manufacturers intended), so technically driving my car to walmart is gripping. It's all in opinion. And I love motorsports so I could care less what others think about the motorsports I enjoy.lol
The sport of drifting is for entertainment purposes primarily where as road racing is more for the satisfaction of the driver (the entertainment of the driver rather than the crowd, or sometimes the sponsors and team owners depending on how much money is involved). In anything I'm doing with competition screw the crowd!! I want to do the best I can. I'm coming from an ae86; the crowd usually hates ae86's in drifting. Why you ask? Barely any tire smoke and they usually dont have to adhere to the same line as other higher power cars. So I'm used to people not watching or being interested in me (which is strange because thats the main attraction of drifting ; to have people watch..... nowadays any way). Alot of us guy's who have been into drifting for a while miss the old days when drifitng was more about the driver, events catered to the drivers, it wasnt about the hype or the glory it was about keeping a car at it's limits and knowing what you can do and having fun with it. I miss those days...
BTW it's been a while since I have seen wrc lol. Have any links to recent videos?
I was just stating that the definition of what drifting is, is primarily up to whoever is using it. To some it may be a technique, to others it is a sport, to some it's stupid. It means different things to different people to me drifting is a term like "gripping". To me a car is "gripping" whenever it is properly adhering to the road (as the tire manufacturers intended), so technically driving my car to walmart is gripping. It's all in opinion. And I love motorsports so I could care less what others think about the motorsports I enjoy.lol
The sport of drifting is for entertainment purposes primarily where as road racing is more for the satisfaction of the driver (the entertainment of the driver rather than the crowd, or sometimes the sponsors and team owners depending on how much money is involved). In anything I'm doing with competition screw the crowd!! I want to do the best I can. I'm coming from an ae86; the crowd usually hates ae86's in drifting. Why you ask? Barely any tire smoke and they usually dont have to adhere to the same line as other higher power cars. So I'm used to people not watching or being interested in me (which is strange because thats the main attraction of drifting ; to have people watch..... nowadays any way). Alot of us guy's who have been into drifting for a while miss the old days when drifitng was more about the driver, events catered to the drivers, it wasnt about the hype or the glory it was about keeping a car at it's limits and knowing what you can do and having fun with it. I miss those days...
BTW it's been a while since I have seen wrc lol. Have any links to recent videos?
01-19-08, 07:38 PM
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01-19-08, 07:52 PM
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Man this is supposed to be about events!!!! Ya'll killed it seriously. Even though he should of posted in the event section, but still they could've moved the thread for him. Damn you people give it a break and stop eating chin nuts.
As far as I know in southern cali the best events are the just drift ones. There is another group that holds events in san bernardino at the orange county fairgrounds I believe. Which I want to find more about. I've been drifting for a few years, but have to take a break cause of school. I'm at UCLA if you're ever in the area.
As far as I know in southern cali the best events are the just drift ones. There is another group that holds events in san bernardino at the orange county fairgrounds I believe. Which I want to find more about. I've been drifting for a few years, but have to take a break cause of school. I'm at UCLA if you're ever in the area.
01-19-08, 08:14 PM
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As far as I know in southern cali the best events are the just drift ones. There is another group that holds events in san bernardino at the orange county fairgrounds I believe. Which I want to find more about. I've been drifting for a few years, but have to take a break cause of school. I'm at UCLA if you're ever in the area.
wassup alex!
like you said, you are in the right area! I wish i was where you are, so I can go to just drift events, but you are taking a brake from drifting....... when you come back the competition is going to be really stiff.... haha
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LOL Yeah I wish I was stationed back home. i would go to the Button Willow just drift events all the time. Ugh the south is too big and the drift events are too few and far in between.
