have u ever seen super gt in japan. taking the normal production rwd cars n turning them into hardcore race cars. guess who dominated that racing class? keiichi tyschuia aka drift king. and YES he did drift his arta nsx many many times in these races. it did infact make him faster at the lap times. a race line drift is not the gangster line drift u see ppl doing. it is smaller angle, less smoke and less grip; thats right less grip. 4 wheel controled slide at over 100mph. very had to control but he used this technique many times it would not only intimidate his oppenents, not unlike big nascar number 3 (dont like nascar), but it would indeed improve his lap times. i usually only used the drift techniques toward the ends of the races to get on the last strain of energy of his oppenents and to insure a higher finishing postion and a better points bracket. drifting is alive in grip driving its just not as flashy cuz thats what drifting is. . . showmanship and driver skill. its like the harlem globetrotters for basketball or shooting expos for rifle companies

 

Sorry to come in to your post again, but Keichi Tsuchiya never dominated JGTC or Super GT, I believe he never won a championship

 

I don't agree that drifting is infact faster I guess it can be faster then a slow griper lol. But yeah Keiichi won 6 drift championships in a row which is why he got the doridori title but yea whatever. claim drifting is faster if you can drift fast not someone else. in the end whatever style you choose it's always going to be the driver that wins in the end. **** initial D. and those that say rx7 was ment for grip. think about this. was any car ment to drift strait from factory? hell nah EVERY car was ment to keep its traction. some just come with better suspension style stock. like multilink is better but you can still drift with a double wishbone suspension set up. it's not impossible just a little harder.

 

drifting is ghey!

 

^^^ Agreed.

 

Um....no.

Drifting is faster in certain situations, but they're hard to find on the racetrack. The only drift that I know of that could be faster than gripping is the zero-countersteer drift. As soon as you countersteer, you can go faster by gripping.

Now if dorikin had done that, then yea, I would believe he did it faster. But, everytime I've seen him in the videos, it's always decent angle slides in his GT cars, so I doubt he was faster doing that.

For instance, go to Youtube and look up bmw m5 sugo. You can see that drifting is NOT faster in that case.

Drifting isn't faster than gripping 99% of the time. The reason? Cuz tires are so damn sticky these days. Though, I guess if you could do the perfect zero-countersteer drift everytime, you'd be god and deserve to go fast. If it truly was faster than grip, you'd be more drivers doing it, then wouldn't you?

 

FC don't have double wishbones........

we have mcstruts in the front and semi trailing arms in the rear....

God, I wish we had double wishbones, driving fast would be so much easier.

As a joke to silvia owners, I would submit that those cars were meant to drift straight from the factory, they can't seem to keep their asses straight in a corner!

 

The only drifting that is faster is called a 4wheel drift by people who actually race race cars (zero countersteer according to people on this site). For that to happen all the conditions have to be perfect (as in the driver setting everything up perfectly). You are much more likely to mess it up by "trying" to do this, a good race car driver doesnt "try" to do anything, they just do it subconciously by driving on the race track. That said the majority of the people on this site cant do it consistantly enough to actually make note of it. so really it shouldnt even be said that it's faster.

Keiichi Tsuchiya is not the best drifter/driver.

Drifting is not faster.

Drifting is for ****.

All drifters are ****.

Period. Done.

Here is proof.


BTW......schassis are the best cars ever i.e. this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5k762yJJvQ

I would say if schassis owners tell you your car/engine is going to blow up just tell them their car sucks at road racing. But, they will probably say something along the lines of F*** road racing

 

+1

 

Why do you guys have to argue this **** all the time? Accept the fact that drifting has come to stay, and that some people will use the wrong words. You keep repeating yourself 'till it sounds silly, like you've been sniffing glue or something.

Drifting is not racing, but it is a defined motorsport with all rules and regulations that come with it. It gains popularity, and it welcomes people. The way you guys are acting, I would say you scare people away. Embrace all car enthusiasts, they are the people that keeps the machine running. Stop all the "silly" enthusiasts and car fans, and suddenly cars for anything else than transport is forbidden.

I am a long time gokart driver, I have raced formula cars, and now I drift an FC. I think it's great fun, and you can learn a lot about the cars handling abilities.
It will, wether you like it or not, make you a lot more of an accomplished driver.

 

No one's arguing it won't make you a better driver, all seat time will make you a better driver....it just shouldn't be in the race techniques section since drifting isn't a race.

Mods should create a driving techniques section....that would be a better place for this topic.

 

Why does it bother you so much tho, just don't read it if you hate it so much. I am not a drifter.

 

I'd rather not have a section where if people come to read about racing techniques and instead they find a place where it's littered with drift threads.

I'd rather stop it now before it gets to be a problem. Drift threads should mainly be in either General Automotive or Race Car Tech, and even that's a stretch.

 

They could always rename the section driving technique instead......

 

They could do that.

 

did anyone read my entire post. 4 WHEEL CONTROLED SLIDE AT OVER 100 MPH aka zero counter drift aka 4 wheel drift. seen keiichi do it numerous amounts of times. and one he didnt win that much or ever dominated the sport but his car was not fast his pit crew was not the best. ppl will flame for the fast car comment but why do you think audi wins formula 1 so much? fast f ing car thats easy to work on, the pit crew in that case doesnt have to be amazing cuz it takes 9 minutes to do a whole differential swap on there deisel that gets an amazing 14 mpg.

im pretty sure i have the bmi video where theryre at sugo n keiichi busts out huge angle drifting against the skyline and the m3. thats because he's just trying to intimidate them because its freaky when someone kicks it out infront of u a 100+. everyones natural instinct is to back off when someone starts sliding at high speeds. they didnt and ended up passing him. go read the last thing i wrote on my last post dont flame on me, show drifting is always going to be slower it has to be so it can be controlled. when you incorporate zero counter into your drifting thats when it becomes speed over style and only in some corners. same thing with throttle off oversteer its a way to get sideways by using the natural speed of the corner but only really good for high entry like most drifting, u'll fly around the exit but it will be somewhat slower. now go re read my last post and say oops

 

Just the fact that you believe that Audi actually participates in Formula 1, shows how incredible little you know...

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I agree that they should rename the section to "driving techniques". But no matter how much some of you think it's wrong placed and so on, it does say "Talk about your Drifts, Autocross, and Drag techniques in here only!!!", which means none of the drifters is at fault for posting here.

I also think it's incredibly silly to start an argument in a drift thread when you don't like drifting, and probably don't know a lot about it either. If you don't like, then don't read. Easy as ****...

 

the grippers are afraid of change!
hehe

 

When drifters manage to beat a gripper in a race, the grippers will change.

Speaking of fear, what's more telling is that grippers have no fear of losing to a drifter.

Dave

 

Doh!

Grippers fear that they lose grip...
OMG i lost my grip (shoulder lock... closing wall... crash...)

 

A good driver will know what to do when the rear comes around, and it's not necessarily drift all the time.

The perfect driver will allow enough slip angle in the tires so that he does not have to use any steering, but can still maintain maximum exit speed.

 

You just said he dominated JGTC in your last post... Audi race in Le Mans, not F1. Also, you are not going to intimidate other pro drivers by drifting.

 

Oh yeah....see what happens when you drift Sugo's last turn? You let Skylines pass 4 cars in one turn......Bad drifting M5.

 

my bad, le mans. my mistake i admit it. so your saying if someone steps it out in front of you your not going to back off. and ppl say dale ernhart dominated in nascar even though he was no where near the dominator that richard petty was or ever couldve been. just because he didnt win all the races doesnt mean he didnt dominate. keiichi is the pwner of jgtc and of drifting. but like i said, drifting is to grip driving as the harlem globetrotters are to basketball. its all in good fun and love of cars and speed. its flashy n exciting, im sure someday it will be known as the disco of motorsports (but hopefully still alive n shaking its booootah)

 

ok wow ive been getting these updates to me emial.... enough seriously... you wanna call the section driving techniques.... drifting is a form of driving, who cares if its a racing style, its still a competition and its still requires some skill behind the wheel. and im sure that no matter who you are there is always going to be someone whos faster than you, so all you ******** who keep pulling the im faster than any drifter ****... have gotta can it, because you have no idea.