FDNewbie

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Hey...I thought since we get sooo many newb questions in the 3rd gen section, maybe we can have a newb section, dedicated to the 1001 questions that news have? And maybe even have a nice list of stickies in it (yes I know there's an FAQ...but still).

One of the other forums I'm on (teckademics) has a new member section, in which new members are restricted to. They can view other sections, but can ONLY post in the new section (theirs is an "introduction" section...but I'm proposing here ours be a "noob" section). Thus, noobs wouldn't be able to post in ANY other section of the forum EXCEPT their section, for a given amount of posts (on teckademics, it's 15, but that's kind of low IMO) After that point, you gain full posting abilities. Something like that would limit noobs to posting ONLY in the newb section, and thus they'd HAVE to see the 50 stickies on the top, and would prob see the same questions asked several times in the same page I just think it'll lessen the clutter a bit in the 3rd gen section... what do ya guys think?

~Ramy

Ocelot

So you plan on teaching the n00bs the ways of the forum by gathering a bunch of confused n00bs together to try and figure out the car problems they all don't know about? Thumbs down.

FDNewbie

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No...obviously more exprienced members would frequent that section and provide advice as necessary. Plus, the FAQ's and stickies have a TON of info. Hey, if you don't mind having the 3rd gen section CONTINUOUSLY cluttered w/ the SAME noob questions...

kontakt

Got my vote... just have almost every single sticky that's on any of the threads there, so there's only like 10 actual threads displayed per page.

rzograbian

good suggestion... but knowing me, i would mess with them and give them dumb suggestions haha.... thats just me

Merciless

https://www.rx7club.com/comments-suggestions-archive-222/weird-smileys-icon-442293/

i have made great effort in the above thread trying to make member put location of the item, but the senior member still not doing it..so what makes you think the newbies will check out the newbie section first???

DamonB

Many sections already have FAQ type threads stickied at the top:

Third Gen FAQ

Second Gen FAQ

First Gen FAQ

Suspension and Handling Links

If it's a good question and not in the FAQ material most likely the answer can be found by searching the forums.

FDNewbie

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Yea I saw that... unfortunately that idea didn't fly yet.

The method I'm talking about LIMITS the noobs to the newbie section. Ie, their accounts have limited rights. They (physically) can't post anywhere BUT in the noob section (because their account is set up as such), and the noob mod would be responsible for approving them to join the rest of the forum w/ fully access to posting etc after a given # of posts and some discretion. In that way, I think it would absolutely work, since it doesn't rely on people listening; it's technology (new member post rights) that's doing the work for ya.

DamonB

So how do you decide when to no longer limit users to the noob section? Time spent as a member and/or number of posts made are completely useless in proving that you can follow rules or compose educated questions.

Fact is people are lazy. Whether we tell them to read stickies, lock them in noob forums etc there will always be those who refuse to investigate for themselves.

FDNewbie

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I beg to differ. All you can judge by is a member's posts, so keeping track of what they post should be quite informative and effective.

If you check out the forum I alluded to, guess what's the first thing that happens? Ppl try to post all over the place, but find out they don't have permission to do so. They don't have PMs, they don't know anyone, so they're forced to do something unprecedented: READ THE NEWBIE STICKY. Either that, or they land in the Newbie section, where they CAN post, and post "WHY CAN'T I POST ANYWHERE ELSE?" to which other noobs who know the deal respond and let them know what the deal is.

The result is simple: people realize that this is a tough crowd, and they gotta demonstrate themselves before being given full access to the rest of the forum, plus they gotta read to figure out what's going on and how/why. Either that, or they give up on the forum and leave. So it's a win/win situation

True, but guess what? Say someone refuses to read or search, and they're in the noob section...just never promote them to a full member w/ full rights. They get stuck there forever, until they learn. If they want access badly enough, they WILL be forced to learn.

And if they learn temporarily, then go back to being an idiot on the forum, a mod would simply reset their privaledges to a noob, restricting them again to the noob section. People could be given warnings by the mods before this happens, esp. if they've been on here for longer. But if it's a new member and it's obvious they didn't learn from the newb section, back to the noob section they go. And there they'll stay until they learn.

I really think the system would work, and work well - provided the mods that run that section are many, and diligent. Many, because you'll need a good number to have enough patience to deal w/ the noobs lol, and to keep an eye on 'em. But really, the existing noobs in that section will help a lot in letting other clueless noobs in on why they're locked into that area of the forum, and help move the education process along. Why? Because many people will be anxious to get full access to the rest of the forum. So it'll be self-teaching/promoting, relieving the stress off of the mods a bit. I've seen it work. It WORKS.

Besides Damon, would you rather do nothing and leave everything as is? I'd say take my idea (provided you think it's foundation is at least good), and tweak it a bit to make it work, and try it out. I personally think the results will be very positive and welcomed, but you never know until you try. Accepting things as is and letting them be...that's just not my style, and it'll never help the situation at hand.

~Ramy

fcdrifter13

ok on the 240sxforums.com they put all new users have to spend a manditory 2 days and 25 posts in the noob section. It does accually cut down on a lot of stupid questions. Its not 2 days delonging tothe forums but 2 days spent time reading. Just my 0.02

DamonB

What is the exact problem you're trying to solve?

Merciless

isnt this topic covered like a few times already??

FDNewbie

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The enormous clutter of noob questions and lazy questions which could easily be answered by searching.

I know you're a senior member, so I'm sure you've been frustrated for a while now like other senior members who have greatly lessened how much they help noobs cuz noobs don't read or search. It's taking away from the forum having to deal w/ the SAME questions over and over, and frustrating the "good guys" who have lots and lots of knowledge, because their time could and should be much better spent answering advanced and "new" questions.

I think the idea can't hurt, but it certainly can help.

Oh and Merciless, I dunno...I saw ONE thread (started after me) that kinda talked about this, but I haven't seen this particular idea/solution proposed before. If ti was, my bad. I guess I didn't search hard enough

Merciless

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FDNewbie

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FDNewbie

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Ok c'mon guys. Check out the 3rd gen section right now. Leaded gas ok? Sequential vs. parallel? Max hp of stock twins? This is getting rediculous. I've seen MANY forums running the n00b only section I proposed, and it seems very successful. Heck, they're not complaining of the problems we're having. How about giving it a dry run?

TRUST

The noob section would need to be like... on top of the forums, BIG letters with bright colors to catch their attention to keep them from trolling into the old school forums hehehe

FDNewbie

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If you check the first page of this thread, you'll see that the noob section is the ONLY section they can post in. They essentially have limited privaledges, allowing them to post ONLY in the noob section, until further notice.

TRUST

haha

Turbo II

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Ummm.... where I come from, Arctic Mud, we just pkill noobs that ask to many questions without reading the help files... it stops the "is this a good roll" and "can someone get my coprse" shouts down to a minimum.

BlueRex

Seriously guys, we need to cut down on n00b posts in the 3rd gen section, like these:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/basic-newb-question-about-stock-fuel-map-437137/
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/weird-tail-light-problem-425604/
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/how-can-you-tell-test-something-draining-your-battery-421324/
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/what-picture-says-all-385880/
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/losing-all-power-temporarily-when-i-turn-key-376541/
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/question-about-defi-d-series-boost-gauge-373473/
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/idle-boost-problem-already-searched-312304/
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/boost-gauge-not-working-284929/

FDNewbie

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Jason...oh I'm def comin to Cali soon...TO KILL YOU lol

But hey seriously...good point. It applies across the board. If we can limit the noob questions to a noob section, I think it'll cut down on the number of repeated threads we have.

~Ramy

PS: BTW, how many of those were FAQs?? Nice shot at a low blow Maybe one of these times, you'll actually hit your mark...

BlueRex

I don't think there is any post count or time duration that will prevent members from making n00b type posts. I personally know one member that's been on here since July '03, with 6400+ posts and he's still starting n00b threads. For his sake I won't say his name... okay it's Ramy .

FDNewbie

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...and he's self-proclaimed, too. The point isn't to use a blind rule...that won't get us anywhere. The point is to filter out those who demonstrate a consistant pattern of not searching and repeatedly asking noob questions. Heck, in the least, we can have a section dedicated (and enforced as such) for noob questions, so all the more "advanced" questions can remain uncluttered in the 3rd gen section.

~Ramy

PS: Jason, you still haven't asked my question. Where are all of my noob repeated threads b/c I was too lazy to search? Don't fail me now man...