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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 04:22 PM
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Driftings not my thing, bit you sir are doing work. Props, nice seeing a local rip.
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 04:48 AM
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Car sounds great, and good luck with the sponsorship venture man.
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 11:00 AM
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really cool build, the more angle really helped counter all the power you could not control before, Im guessing? What size wheels/tires do you have? Im curious what is considered too skinny for 20b power
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Old Oct 15, 2012 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Scrapp
really cool build, the more angle really helped counter all the power you could not control before, Im guessing? What size wheels/tires do you have? Im curious what is considered too skinny for 20b power
You are 100% right in saying that the angle really help counter all the extra power

I am currently running 255 Federal SS 595s in the back... which is adequate, but I am switching to Achilles ATR Sport for next year, which from what I've heard is a drastic increase in traction... so I think if I keep a 255, it should be more then enough traction (considering Daigo Saito runs the same tires with 1000rwhp and 275s in the back lol)

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Old Oct 15, 2012 | 11:25 AM
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No I could definitely tell from your two videos. The extra angle gave you a decimating advantage in quicker powerband, turn in, and control. You look like a fish in water in the second video, Im sure its all ***** and grins as your driving.

Good to know about the tire situation, just in-case I ever see a 20b power increase
(rear 265's on NA. Going more for a grip monster... Just curious if my current setup is safe to transfer over, if I ever make... changes...)
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 10:31 AM
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So, me and my friend are currently working on a rear mounted radiator setup for next year. Yup, we thought it through (sarcasm).

Pros:
- better cooling
- better intercooler position with shorter piping (increased low-end torque and overall response)
- better weight distribution (offset the extra 20B weight to the back to regain 50/50)
- better placement of oil coolers and intercooler for safer smashing into walls and other drift cars
- sweet as ****!

Cons:
- idiots working on the project
- underestimated cost (by a **** load)
- underestimated complexity of project
- panic setting in as we realized we've done something we can't reverse

I'm sure this picture speaks for itself:



Updates with pics will be available in a couple of weeks!
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 11:41 AM
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This is the only photo I can find at the moment of my buddies car, he built himself. I took this photo almost... wow, 6 years ago....

Anyway... Thats an oil cooler in his back bumper... The spout sticking up is the "fill plug" for oil changes... I think the car holds like... 10 quarts or something ridiculous. Also has a pineapple racing oil pan or something.



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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 12:03 PM
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You might want to look into possible issues with the water pump. Ive heard of some subaru guys doing this in rally and the stock water pumps would burn up trying to move the extra fluid. Cool idea though, good luck!
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 12:10 PM
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You might want to look into possible issues with the water pump. Ive heard of some subaru guys doing this in rally and the stock water pumps would burn up trying to move the extra fluid. Cool idea though, good luck!
Yeah, we've considered that issue... and we are getting mixed responses from research. For now, we are going to try to keep the OEM water-pump, and if it's not adequate I will either add an electric in-line to assist or just convert 100% to electric water-pump setup.
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 12:33 PM
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(That same car has an electric water pump. There is a warning light inside the car in-case the pump ever fails. It works amazing and is reliable... I would think about recommending it.)
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 12:54 PM
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wow, awesome stuff going on here!
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 04:45 PM
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The rear fan reminds me of a Batmobile. Awesome work, man.
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 10:18 PM
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Daigo style! So where is your radiator inlet? Giant venturi under the car?
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 03:22 PM
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Daigo style! So where is your radiator inlet? Giant venturi under the car?
The inlet will be on the top in the back, while the outlet will be right above the gas tank, and I will be running the lines through the car.

Meanwhile, the front is almost complete, with the exception of running the lines for the radiator (waiting on the lines and need to have a few things welded on the neck and water pump housing).

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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 09:37 PM
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Cool, can't wait to see how this turns out. What kind of lines are your running?
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Old Nov 13, 2012 | 08:59 AM
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Cool, can't wait to see how this turns out. What kind of lines are your running?
Aeroquip -24 an stainless braided lines.
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Old Nov 25, 2012 | 10:46 AM
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The rear is almost done as well, we are just waiting for many pieces including the radiator to come back from welding in order to start putting back together the cooling system.

We've welded a bash bar that you can't really see under the rear bumper as well.

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Old Nov 25, 2012 | 12:39 PM
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Looking good.
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Old Nov 25, 2012 | 09:05 PM
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Holy crap!!!
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Old Nov 25, 2012 | 09:31 PM
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Electric pump will do you what you want easy.

Id be very worried about that airflow through the bumper. But you also have increased capacity in the lines now, so you might be ok.

how does the ducting work to it ? Is it just all airflow from the fan and nothing from the car speed ?
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Old Nov 27, 2012 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Havoc
Electric pump will do you what you want easy.

Id be very worried about that airflow through the bumper. But you also have increased capacity in the lines now, so you might be ok.

how does the ducting work to it ? Is it just all airflow from the fan and nothing from the car speed ?
I have been discussing this project with Defined Autoworks, and they agreed that the stock waterpump should be able to handle the rear mounted radiator setup.

In regards with the airflow, I didn't have much flow to begin with up front since I'm usually sideways and the radiator was blocked by a 3" thick IC. Also the ambient temperature of the radiator was over 100F, while the temperature inside the car where it will be pulling air from will rarely go over that mark (without me passing out at the wheel).

The Ford taurus fan will be pulling air from the cabin, through the radiator and out the back of the car. There is no way you can run it the other way, as it will pull in all the smoke from the rear tires and will basically kill me lol. Actually, having the fan there is great since it will pull out any smoke that currently gets in the car while drifting.
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Old Nov 27, 2012 | 08:50 PM
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I have been discussing this project with Defined Autoworks, and they agreed that the stock waterpump should be able to handle the rear mounted radiator setup..
Im sure you already know, but the greatest advantage of a EWP, is that your not reliant on engine speed to generate water flow.

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In regards with the airflow, I didn't have much flow to begin with up front since I'm usually sideways and the radiator was blocked by a 3" thick IC. Also the ambient temperature of the radiator was over 100F, while the temperature inside the car where it will be pulling air from will rarely go over that mark (without me passing out at the wheel).
So do I, but I haven't hit a temp over 80deg yet.... as much as your sideways you will always generate some differencal pressure. where as in a cabin you wont necessarily.

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The Ford taurus fan will be pulling air from the cabin, through the radiator and out the back of the car. There is no way you can run it the other way, as it will pull in all the smoke from the rear tires and will basically kill me lol. Actually, having the fan there is great since it will pull out any smoke that currently gets in the car while drifting.
I guess you have to do it with the windows down then also as you already know, any moving air though a rad at any speed is more than a fan can do (simplistically). Fans are a back up for stationary vehicles as far as I'm concerned. But good luck, I hope the results work well
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Havoc
Im sure you already know, but the greatest advantage of a EWP, is that your not reliant on engine speed to generate water flow.

So do I, but I haven't hit a temp over 80deg yet.... as much as your sideways you will always generate some differencal pressure. where as in a cabin you wont necessarily.

I guess you have to do it with the windows down then also as you already know, any moving air though a rad at any speed is more than a fan can do (simplistically). Fans are a back up for stationary vehicles as far as I'm concerned. But good luck, I hope the results work well
I understand what you're saying, and I'll be honest... the main reason I am not doing an EWP right now is money. My plan is eventually to switch to one, but for now I am going to give this setup a try, and if I have overheating issues I will have to park it and redo this project.

Also yes, I always drift with the windows down since I dont have AC... and the car is black on black lol. I will defiantly post some results in the summer, whether this setup is as efficient as I am hoping it will be.
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 10:22 AM
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i always drift with the windows down because it helps me focus on my targets easier.

ewp is where its at for sure but nothing wrong with a good mechanical pump. also fluids do not compress so if you dont have air in the system, your pump will be able to pull water through a straw for miles at the same efficiency as sucking through the stock system.
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 10:37 AM
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Finished product on the cooling system looks awesome! How are you running the piping on it?
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