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Pink Slips
I hear you race for Pink Slips!
Is that true?
We are game. LOL!!!!
Thunder Hill or Infinion.
Nice to meet you face to face.
Yellow car is suppose to be ready for the 21,22,23rd.
GG
Is that true?
We are game. LOL!!!!
Thunder Hill or Infinion.
Nice to meet you face to face.
Yellow car is suppose to be ready for the 21,22,23rd.
GG
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Sean They say that Great Minds...
dregg100 I love you too, MAN!!
Viking WJ Sounds like you have too much time; guess which one is more precious in life?! Needless to say, your car is running and I'm only 2/3rds of the way through my projects.
Grey Ghost I like "GG", it's got a certain "je ne sais qua" that make you sound very high-falutin .
Looking forward to maybe taking you up on the throwdown sometime in the near future. Just gotta get my weapon of choice sharpened again! Till then, I'll just look forward to consoling myself with sharing our car craziness.
Marcel It's a Pista model. Nice job on the install, but somehow I couldn't overcome the urge to compromise and keep the OEM dash fully functional. I suspect that'll change in the near future. BTW, which Dash did you go with, and how do you like it so far.
w00t Seek and yea shall find:
Now if you'll look at the prices, I'll remind you of the old say that goes,
Be careful for you ask for (especially if it's Aeroquip), for you may get it!
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dregg100 I love you too, MAN!!
Viking WJ Sounds like you have too much time; guess which one is more precious in life?! Needless to say, your car is running and I'm only 2/3rds of the way through my projects.
Grey Ghost I like "GG", it's got a certain "je ne sais qua" that make you sound very high-falutin .
Looking forward to maybe taking you up on the throwdown sometime in the near future. Just gotta get my weapon of choice sharpened again! Till then, I'll just look forward to consoling myself with sharing our car craziness.
Marcel It's a Pista model. Nice job on the install, but somehow I couldn't overcome the urge to compromise and keep the OEM dash fully functional. I suspect that'll change in the near future. BTW, which Dash did you go with, and how do you like it so far.
w00t Seek and yea shall find:
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Now if you'll look at the prices, I'll remind you of the old say that goes,
Be careful for you ask for (especially if it's Aeroquip), for you may get it!
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I went with the STRADA and i'm loving it ! I didnt need the data logging , since my car is mainly a street ride. My ne computer also has 8 gigs available for logging !
09-14-08, 11:59 PM
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Got my room and banquet tix for SevenStock finally, though admitted not in my favorite "fuel-to-noise convertor"... hope to see some of ya'll there!
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Blackboxes Vers 2.0 installation is 99% complete. Here's a couple of teasers with more over the next couple of weeks.
See if you can play "Where's Waldo" with the upgrades...
See if you can play "Where's Waldo" with the upgrades...
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01-13-09, 02:09 PM
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Very nice build, I am very impressed. To date have you had any problems with the Craig Davies water pump or controller? And approximately how many hours do you figure you have on it? I have one and have been considering running it for some time, my two only concerns thus far have been longevity on the street, and no thermostat being a problem with warm-up. Any input?
01-13-09, 02:58 PM
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Very nice build, I am very impressed. To date have you had any problems with the Craig Davies water pump or controller? And approximately how many hours do you figure you have on it? I have one and have been considering running it for some time, my two only concerns thus far have been longevity on the street, and no thermostat being a problem with warm-up. Any input?
I'll venture to answer regarding the thermostat. The controller acts as a thermostat, reducing the coolant flow until the desired temperature is reached.
I'm looking really strongly at running one on my 20B. A bloke from the UK has a big single 20B cosmo (street use) running the DC EWP and controller and reports that he has had zero issues. Nothing but good according to him.
01-13-09, 09:29 PM
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+1 on the questions regarding longevity and efficacy.
I'll venture to answer regarding the thermostat. The controller acts as a thermostat, reducing the coolant flow until the desired temperature is reached.
I'm looking really strongly at running one on my 20B. A bloke from the UK has a big single 20B cosmo (street use) running the DC EWP and controller and reports that he has had zero issues. Nothing but good according to him.
I'll venture to answer regarding the thermostat. The controller acts as a thermostat, reducing the coolant flow until the desired temperature is reached.
I'm looking really strongly at running one on my 20B. A bloke from the UK has a big single 20B cosmo (street use) running the DC EWP and controller and reports that he has had zero issues. Nothing but good according to him.
The only issue I thought could come is that it doesn't act exactly like a thermostat; although it does regulate flow, it does not bypass coolant to within the block alone. In order to get up to temp, all of the coolant in the block and rad would need to warm up, I'm just curious as to how much longer this would take from stock thermostat/waterpump.
Good to hear about the EWP, if it can flow enough for a 20B, it certainly will flow more than adequate amounts for a 13B.
01-14-09, 12:16 AM
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Howard: Thanks! As one of the standard barers in this community, I very much appreciate your feedback.
Trots I've got less then a hundred hours on the DC EWP and controller, so I can't vouch for it's reliability. Best I can give you is, "So far so good."
I'd be hard pressed to break-out my coolant system's efficacy by component. Ducting, radiator design and the EWP/Controller all play a part. Of course, the oil system also plays an indirect role. That said, the EWP is able to maintain my H2O temps within 4-6 degrees, and I have never seen any signs of the coolant system being stressed. Thanksfully, I expect my projected HP decreased from E 85 to further reduce the possibley of thermal overloading.
Regarding it's warmup cycle, you're right in that it doesn't bypass the radiator while the engine is warming up. I can only offer that I have never noticed inordinately long warm-up periods since I've had the EWP setup. I dare say that the warm-up time is not a factor in rotaries, much less boosted one.
Gracer7 I can only hope my brother!!! Unfortauntely, I've given up Laguna due to the 9X dB limit... I think I idle louder than that. Hoping to be ready mid-Feb. Have you registered for any events this year? Might light a bigger fire under my ****!
Trots I've got less then a hundred hours on the DC EWP and controller, so I can't vouch for it's reliability. Best I can give you is, "So far so good."
I'd be hard pressed to break-out my coolant system's efficacy by component. Ducting, radiator design and the EWP/Controller all play a part. Of course, the oil system also plays an indirect role. That said, the EWP is able to maintain my H2O temps within 4-6 degrees, and I have never seen any signs of the coolant system being stressed. Thanksfully, I expect my projected HP decreased from E 85 to further reduce the possibley of thermal overloading.
Regarding it's warmup cycle, you're right in that it doesn't bypass the radiator while the engine is warming up. I can only offer that I have never noticed inordinately long warm-up periods since I've had the EWP setup. I dare say that the warm-up time is not a factor in rotaries, much less boosted one.
Gracer7 I can only hope my brother!!! Unfortauntely, I've given up Laguna due to the 9X dB limit... I think I idle louder than that.
Hoping to be ready mid-Feb. Have you registered for any events this year? Might light a bigger fire under my ****!
01-14-09, 12:32 AM
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I'm not sure I'm hitting Laguna either but we have Infineon and Thunderhill not too far away.
My wife is even coming with me to an event. If a girl can do it...
Hooked on Driving is going to be at Thunderhill on Sat Jan 31. That might be my season opener. I expect to do one event a month so give me a call if you want to plan something.
cheers.
My wife is even coming with me to an event. If a girl can do it...
Hooked on Driving is going to be at Thunderhill on Sat Jan 31. That might be my season opener. I expect to do one event a month so give me a call if you want to plan something.
cheers.
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Blackboxes in-cabin spiral developement.
The Deutsch HDP-20 connector is mated to the stock ecu harness firewall "grommet" in the right edge of both of the first two pictures. Though it's also at the (left) end of main ECU harness connector in the third bench picture, it's much less obvious.
After figuratively jamming a knife in my leg to offset the pain of Deutsch crimper prices, I've come to love EVERYTHING every Deutsch connector I've ever used. If you're serious about wiring, it's definitely well worth it!
The Deutsch HDP-20 connector is mated to the stock ecu harness firewall "grommet" in the right edge of both of the first two pictures. Though it's also at the (left) end of main ECU harness connector in the third bench picture, it's much less obvious.
After figuratively jamming a knife in my leg to offset the pain of Deutsch crimper prices, I've come to love EVERYTHING every Deutsch connector I've ever used. If you're serious about wiring, it's definitely well worth it!
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01-14-09, 07:14 AM
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Awesome setup man! Props on a great looking engine bay and with everything fabricated that just makes it even more sexy I was wondering if you could answer a dumb question for me. What is going on in this pic?
Edit: I think I just figured it out
that must be the "electric" part of the electric water pump, lol. You have to excuse my ignorance.
I was wondering if you could answer a dumb question for me. What is going on in this pic?Edit: I think I just figured it out
that must be the "electric" part of the electric water pump, lol. You have to excuse my ignorance.
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Couple questions:
1) The CDI box seems scarily close to your Motec. You're not worried about interference? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I've just not researched the shielding/spacing requirements that thoroughly.
2) Did you purchase those flanges on the EWP that you welded the hard pipes to "off the shelf", or did you have them custom fabricated? If the former, might I enquire as to where?
Awesome car, sir.
Thank you kindly for sharing.
ryan
1) The CDI box seems scarily close to your Motec. You're not worried about interference? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I've just not researched the shielding/spacing requirements that thoroughly.
2) Did you purchase those flanges on the EWP that you welded the hard pipes to "off the shelf", or did you have them custom fabricated? If the former, might I enquire as to where?
Awesome car, sir.
Thank you kindly for sharing.
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01-14-09, 09:12 AM
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Marcel It's a Pista model. Nice job on the install, but somehow I couldn't overcome the urge to compromise and keep the OEM dash fully functional. I suspect that'll change in the near future. BTW, which Dash did you go with, and how do you like it so far.
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After using the MXL for a while I decided to sell it , I did not like the fact that although it sampled many items in the data stream , it could only show 8 at a time ! to see the rest you need to reconnect the laptop and reprogram. I also switched from the autronic SM2 to the ViPec V88 / link Storm computer , http://www.vi-pec.com/page_files/V88.html.
At the first attempt , the V88 + MXL connection did not work, this sealed the deal for me! Racepacks' interface worked so I started looking around and decided to switch to the Racepak 250-DS UDXSR,http://www.racepak.com/Components/UDX.php , which is a better more capable , more street friendly dash in my opinion.
I assume the little ss box is a seperation / expansion pot ? What about temperature ? do you anticipate high temps getting to the pressure sensor ?
Nice work as usual , I wish I could get my wireing to look half as good !!
Marcel It's a Pista model. Nice job on the install, but somehow I couldn't overcome the urge to compromise and keep the OEM dash fully functional. I suspect that'll change in the near future. BTW, which Dash did you go with, and how do you like it so far.
.[/QUOTE]
After using the MXL for a while I decided to sell it , I did not like the fact that although it sampled many items in the data stream , it could only show 8 at a time ! to see the rest you need to reconnect the laptop and reprogram. I also switched from the autronic SM2 to the ViPec V88 / link Storm computer , http://www.vi-pec.com/page_files/V88.html.
At the first attempt , the V88 + MXL connection did not work, this sealed the deal for me! Racepacks' interface worked so I started looking around and decided to switch to the Racepak 250-DS UDXSR,http://www.racepak.com/Components/UDX.php , which is a better more capable , more street friendly dash in my opinion.
Nice work as usual , I wish I could get my wireing to look half as good !!
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Hondahater: You got it... that's the DC Electic Water Pump and plumbing. Unfortuantely, packaging challenges are reflected in the final design's lack of elegance. Guess I'll just have to take solice in "form following function" having an elegance of it's own.
Calculon: Thanks for the compliment! Here's a couple of answers with elaboration:
Calculon: Thanks for the compliment! Here's a couple of answers with elaboration:
1. I had several discussion with both my MoTeC and Autronic dealers and they were all confident that interference between the boxes would not be an issue. Instances of ECU and CDI being mounts back-to-back have even worked in the past. I assume it has to do with the very rigorous Australian shielding/anti-interference standards for automotive components.
However, the one place where my "interference paranoia" got the best of me was in routing the CDI-to-coils harness away from everything else. You can't tell in the picture, but the CDI wiring never gets close to ANY ECU wiring (emphasis on NE/G trigger wires). The CDI output harness goes away from the M4, across just behind the dash and through the driver side wheelwells to the coils. Finally, all of the wiring on this is Raychem SPEC-55 (twister pair) with the shielding grounded all the way to the AMP 36-pin connector at the 500R. If I still get any interference after all of this... I'LL GIVE UP!!
2. As for the EWP plumbing, everything was custom made... sorry.
Marcel: However, the one place where my "interference paranoia" got the best of me was in routing the CDI-to-coils harness away from everything else. You can't tell in the picture, but the CDI wiring never gets close to ANY ECU wiring (emphasis on NE/G trigger wires). The CDI output harness goes away from the M4, across just behind the dash and through the driver side wheelwells to the coils. Finally, all of the wiring on this is Raychem SPEC-55 (twister pair) with the shielding grounded all the way to the AMP 36-pin connector at the 500R. If I still get any interference after all of this... I'LL GIVE UP!!
2. As for the EWP plumbing, everything was custom made... sorry.
I can understand the shift in diplays AND ECU. Guess I'll give the Pista a go and report back with my impression. So far, I like the software and overall design.... time will tell.
Ray Hall's ECU look impressive. If nothing else, his service has always been responsive (if somewhat quirky). Have you run it? Impressions on setup, adjustability and logging? How would you compare the software between "old" Ray and "new" ray ECUs.
Ray Hall's ECU look impressive. If nothing else, his service has always been responsive (if somewhat quirky). Have you run it? Impressions on setup, adjustability and logging? How would you compare the software between "old" Ray and "new" ray ECUs.
The SS box is an Exhaust Manifold Absolute Pressure (EMAP) collector. We're mapping the M4 with a MAP/EMAP matrix (if you will). Paul Yaw convinced me of the effectieveness of this technique. Since the A-Spec manifolds are divided, we need to collect both front and rear backpressures. That's what you're looking at.
There should be virtually no flow in that plumbing since it deadends. There certainly won't be flow to the sensor on the shock tower. Most advice I received recommended 1-2 feet of tubing after the exhaust port. This should more than fit the bill. Worst case, I'll see sensor failure which will kick an alarm... hopefully it won't come to that!
Finally, I appreciate the wiring compliment. If I explained how many hours and $$$ I have in that aspect of the installation, I think they would strip me of all my security clearances on the grounds of ludicrous resource mismangement. Now that I think about it, I hope my wife never reads this thread... it could be painful!!
There should be virtually no flow in that plumbing since it deadends. There certainly won't be flow to the sensor on the shock tower. Most advice I received recommended 1-2 feet of tubing after the exhaust port. This should more than fit the bill. Worst case, I'll see sensor failure which will kick an alarm... hopefully it won't come to that!
Finally, I appreciate the wiring compliment. If I explained how many hours and $$$ I have in that aspect of the installation, I think they would strip me of all my security clearances on the grounds of ludicrous resource mismangement. Now that I think about it, I hope my wife never reads this thread... it could be painful!!
01-20-09, 06:25 PM
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Thanks for the compliment. Sorry I didn't respond sooner but I'm only just getting back to my Rotary Mistress after my year and a half playing "Soldier."
IGNITION UPGRADE (Update):
I just finished redoing all of the wiring on the Autronic 500R / Mercury Marine coils (one per plug) upgrade. Wiring was done as close to to mil-spec (Mil-C27500 wires, Raychem DR-25 and transitions, and Deutsch DT connectors) as I could personally manage.
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E6K - 500R WIRING SCHEMATIC (validated by Ray Hall of Autronic):
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E6K SETTING:
The Haltech E6K ignition setting were changed to Constant Duty
(50%) and Falling Edge trigger. No other changes to the original stock ignition E6K setting.
ISSUES: Car started up but runs very rough at idle, and requires about 5-7% more fuel to maintain at ~850 rpm. Going to check the timing later today, but I'm not hopeful it'll be that simple. This is my second attempt at installing the CDI/coils and both times I've had the same issues. Last time, I was in a rush because I had just ourchased the parts (thanks Enzo) before the volunteering datacall for the Iraq deployment arose. I had assumed that the problem was a rushed wiring job so I just redid it again.
This next couple of weeks I'll troubleshoot, but if anyone has any ideas or insights, I'm certain open to the feedback/input. I've still got a couple of minor ideas to confirm, but I'm at one of those annoying moments of innovation when I wonder why couldn't I let good enough be enough.
Needless to say, more to follow...
Thanks for the compliment. Sorry I didn't respond sooner but I'm only just getting back to my Rotary Mistress after my year and a half playing "Soldier."
IGNITION UPGRADE (Update):
I just finished redoing all of the wiring on the Autronic 500R / Mercury Marine coils (one per plug) upgrade. Wiring was done as close to to mil-spec (Mil-C27500 wires, Raychem DR-25 and transitions, and Deutsch DT connectors) as I could personally manage.
E6K - 500R WIRING SCHEMATIC (validated by Ray Hall of Autronic):
E6K SETTING:
The Haltech E6K ignition setting were changed to Constant Duty
(50%) and Falling Edge trigger. No other changes to the original stock ignition E6K setting.
ISSUES: Car started up but runs very rough at idle, and requires about 5-7% more fuel to maintain at ~850 rpm. Going to check the timing later today, but I'm not hopeful it'll be that simple. This is my second attempt at installing the CDI/coils and both times I've had the same issues. Last time, I was in a rush because I had just ourchased the parts (thanks Enzo) before the volunteering datacall for the Iraq deployment arose. I had assumed that the problem was a rushed wiring job so I just redid it again.
This next couple of weeks I'll troubleshoot, but if anyone has any ideas or insights, I'm certain open to the feedback/input. I've still got a couple of minor ideas to confirm, but I'm at one of those annoying moments of innovation when I wonder why couldn't I let good enough be enough.
Needless to say, more to follow...
My friend say your diagram and said it was correct but had the wrong setup (falling rising not sure what he said). I hope to have better luck to you since I will not be changing setups. Just wondering how to use the stock coils. I know sequential is better but will be running sequential waste spark to save on the one pwm output.
Ian
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The "new" Ray Hall ecu is great , you should log on to the forum and read a few posts . It is soo capable ., for ne this neans PRORECTION !!! . It comes with knock control standard , I have also configured boost limits based on AFR , water injection Flow rate for both WI stages. It will interrupt ignition for a preset time if the tank level goes too low . It also does an intercooler spray , traction control , boost control , variable RPM limiting based on oil pressure etc,etc. It all depends on how you configure it ! there are countless ways to do it , it is soooo flexable. As for the EBP sensor , its agreat idea , i may do it too ...... I have an unused analog input that I can set up for this.
Marcel:
I can understand the shift in diplays AND ECU. Guess I'll give the Pista a go and report back with my impression. So far, I like the software and overall design.... time will tell.
Ray Hall's ECU look impressive. If nothing else, his service has always been responsive (if somewhat quirky). Have you run it? Impressions on setup, adjustability and logging? How would you compare the software between "old" Ray and "new" ray ECUs.
Ray Hall's ECU look impressive. If nothing else, his service has always been responsive (if somewhat quirky). Have you run it? Impressions on setup, adjustability and logging? How would you compare the software between "old" Ray and "new" ray ECUs.
The SS box is an Exhaust Manifold Absolute Pressure (EMAP) collector. We're mapping the M4 with a MAP/EMAP matrix (if you will). Paul Yaw convinced me of the effectieveness of this technique. Since the A-Spec manifolds are divided, we need to collect both front and rear backpressures. That's what you're looking at.
There should be virtually no flow in that plumbing since it deadends. There certainly won't be flow to the sensor on the shock tower. Most advice I received recommended 1-2 feet of tubing after the exhaust port. This should more than fit the bill. Worst case, I'll see sensor failure which will kick an alarm... hopefully it won't come to that!
Finally, I appreciate the wiring compliment. If I explained how many hours and $$$ I have in that aspect of the installation, I think they would strip me of all my security clearances on the grounds of ludicrous resource mismangement. Now that I think about it, I hope my wife never reads this thread... it could be painful!!
[/QUOTE]There should be virtually no flow in that plumbing since it deadends. There certainly won't be flow to the sensor on the shock tower. Most advice I received recommended 1-2 feet of tubing after the exhaust port. This should more than fit the bill. Worst case, I'll see sensor failure which will kick an alarm... hopefully it won't come to that!
Finally, I appreciate the wiring compliment. If I explained how many hours and $$$ I have in that aspect of the installation, I think they would strip me of all my security clearances on the grounds of ludicrous resource mismangement. Now that I think about it, I hope my wife never reads this thread... it could be painful!!
The "new" Ray Hall ecu is great , you should log on to the forum and read a few posts . It is soo capable ., for ne this neans PRORECTION !!! . It comes with knock control standard , I have also configured boost limits based on AFR , water injection Flow rate for both WI stages. It will interrupt ignition for a preset time if the tank level goes too low . It also does an intercooler spray , traction control , boost control , variable RPM limiting based on oil pressure etc,etc. It all depends on how you configure it ! there are countless ways to do it , it is soooo flexable. As for the EBP sensor , its agreat idea , i may do it too ...... I have an unused analog input that I can set up for this.