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10-23-07, 05:37 AM
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i just read that ur running a E6K with the autronic CDI box. I remember the first time i hooked up the 500R box to my E6X setup i had a few years back. And i can remember that the ignition got "hard" and rough. It was some setting i had to change in the ignition setup. But i can't remember what it is. But if it aint the coils, it's something with the ignition setup on the haltech. I got it to work ok, but i never got my E6X to work properly.
bdw now that u have a Autronic CDI box u should talk to Enzo and get the last parts u need to complete a full Autronic setup.
Im not regretting converting the ECU from Haltech to Autronic. The SM4 is so easy to work with. And the autotune system works like a charm. It's so easy to tune cruising values now
JT
bdw now that u have a Autronic CDI box u should talk to Enzo and get the last parts u need to complete a full Autronic setup.
Im not regretting converting the ECU from Haltech to Autronic. The SM4 is so easy to work with. And the autotune system works like a charm. It's so easy to tune cruising values now
JT
10-25-07, 06:13 AM
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JT:
If the all of the troubleshooting and eventual coils replacement does not do it, I suspect I'll be seriously looking at an SM4 or Motec's new M2R. Should have a pretty good idea by next week.
gracer7-rx7:
Needless to say it's great to be back home. Kearned a lot, and I felt like I served my country where it needed me most.
A nice reward for making it out in one piece was a replacing my old E36 M3 daily driver...
If the all of the troubleshooting and eventual coils replacement does not do it, I suspect I'll be seriously looking at an SM4 or Motec's new M2R. Should have a pretty good idea by next week.
gracer7-rx7:
Needless to say it's great to be back home. Kearned a lot, and I felt like I served my country where it needed me most.
A nice reward for making it out in one piece was a replacing my old E36 M3 daily driver...
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10-25-07, 08:23 PM
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JT:
If the all of the troubleshooting and eventual coils replacement does not do it, I suspect I'll be seriously looking at an SM4 or Motec's new M2R. Should have a pretty good idea by next week.
gracer7-rx7:
Needless to say it's great to be back home. Learned a lot, and I felt like I served my country where it needed me most.
A nice reward for making it out in one piece was a replacing my old E36 M3 daily driver...
If the all of the troubleshooting and eventual coils replacement does not do it, I suspect I'll be seriously looking at an SM4 or Motec's new M2R. Should have a pretty good idea by next week.
gracer7-rx7:
Needless to say it's great to be back home. Learned a lot, and I felt like I served my country where it needed me most.
A nice reward for making it out in one piece was a replacing my old E36 M3 daily driver...
No sure which of the Forum gods I pissed off this morning, but none of my picture displayed. I'll give it another go at flaunting my daily squeeze....
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10-26-07, 06:42 PM
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Carlos,
Nice to see you back in town. Tell your wife thanks for the great deal on the M3!!! Just hit 150k the other day and still running strong.
Your CYM is looking great and I like the new addition as well...now the question is which one stays in the garage??
I will post some pics of the E36 M3 so you can think back to the old days...
Mike
Nice to see you back in town. Tell your wife thanks for the great deal on the M3!!! Just hit 150k the other day and still running strong.
Your CYM is looking great and I like the new addition as well...now the question is which one stays in the garage??
I will post some pics of the E36 M3 so you can think back to the old days...
Mike
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10-30-07, 10:10 AM
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Mike:
What a small (car enthusiast) world! My wife wasn't sure who it sold to, but mentioned that it was a fellow "car geek" (as she describe any enthusiast including myself).
You should stop my sometime and bring the M3... sure would be nice to meet and swap car tales. Send me a PM if you're up for it.
My CYM's pet (no sheit) :
Well, about a week ago I had the interesting experience of finding out that my CYM had been keeping a pet while I was away. As much as it would like to keep it, I think it's going to have to go.... what do you think!
What a small (car enthusiast) world! My wife wasn't sure who it sold to, but mentioned that it was a fellow "car geek" (as she describe any enthusiast including myself).
You should stop my sometime and bring the M3... sure would be nice to meet and swap car tales. Send me a PM if you're up for it.
My CYM's pet (no sheit) :
Well, about a week ago I had the interesting experience of finding out that my CYM had been keeping a pet while I was away. As much as it would like to keep it, I think it's going to have to go.... what do you think!
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11-04-07, 09:34 PM
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Marcel:
Yeah, that's the third one I've found in this home in 14 years. It's kind of funny, because I've come to recognize the very chaotic web design before I actually see the Black Widows themselves. Kinda scarey from a myraid of perspectives!
Update:
Ok, so finally got a timing light on the engine and as I suspected from the kick-back during first starting, the ignition timing was way off... 180 degrees off! I put the timing light on the front and then rear trailing plug wires, and sure enough, the firing sequence was swapped. So I swapped the the trailing coil -> sparkplug wiring (i.e. T1 coil to T2 sparkplug and vice versa) and there was an marked improvement. I figured I had inadvertantly either screwed up the ECU -> CDI or the CDI -> coils wiring. After checking the continuity on all of the pins on the ECU -> CDI harness as well as the CDI -> coils harness, I got a surprise. Now get this, they all check out correct!!! WTF!!
So later tonight, I'm going to test fire all four of the CDI channels individually to confim that it's not of the source of the firing problem, If this check 4.0, then I'll put an oscillascope on the Haltech E6K. I'm going to crack this nut yet!
LX92 Coils mounting solicitation:
I found that the Mercury Marine coils in the T2 position had a cracked ferrite. This is a common failure mode for the MM coils, and it has reinforced my considerations of a different coil setup. I'm leaning towards either LX92 coils or a pair IGN-1-CD coils from Brain at BMEP Fuel & Tuning.
The LX92 are rather relatively large compared to any of coils I've previous considered. Though I can easily arrange a couple under the LIM (Leading?) , I'm at a loss in my setup where to place the other two (Trailing?). So since you're reading this, I could use you're help, especially if you're using the LX92 coils...
Could anyone who has mounted Crane LX92 (or LX91) coils PLEASE post pictures depicting where/how they are mounted. Most of my initial design ideas would require unacceptably long high-tension wire lengths. For that matter, I'd appreciate pictures of any aftermarket coil(s) mounting design. I could use some inspirations on this one.
Yeah, that's the third one I've found in this home in 14 years. It's kind of funny, because I've come to recognize the very chaotic web design before I actually see the Black Widows themselves. Kinda scarey from a myraid of perspectives!
Update:
Ok, so finally got a timing light on the engine and as I suspected from the kick-back during first starting, the ignition timing was way off... 180 degrees off! I put the timing light on the front and then rear trailing plug wires, and sure enough, the firing sequence was swapped. So I swapped the the trailing coil -> sparkplug wiring (i.e. T1 coil to T2 sparkplug and vice versa) and there was an marked improvement. I figured I had inadvertantly either screwed up the ECU -> CDI or the CDI -> coils wiring. After checking the continuity on all of the pins on the ECU -> CDI harness as well as the CDI -> coils harness, I got a surprise. Now get this, they all check out correct!!! WTF!!
So later tonight, I'm going to test fire all four of the CDI channels individually to confim that it's not of the source of the firing problem, If this check 4.0, then I'll put an oscillascope on the Haltech E6K. I'm going to crack this nut yet!
LX92 Coils mounting solicitation:
I found that the Mercury Marine coils in the T2 position had a cracked ferrite. This is a common failure mode for the MM coils, and it has reinforced my considerations of a different coil setup. I'm leaning towards either LX92 coils or a pair IGN-1-CD coils from Brain at BMEP Fuel & Tuning.
The LX92 are rather relatively large compared to any of coils I've previous considered. Though I can easily arrange a couple under the LIM (Leading?) , I'm at a loss in my setup where to place the other two (Trailing?). So since you're reading this, I could use you're help, especially if you're using the LX92 coils...
Could anyone who has mounted Crane LX92 (or LX91) coils PLEASE post pictures depicting where/how they are mounted. Most of my initial design ideas would require unacceptably long high-tension wire lengths. For that matter, I'd appreciate pictures of any aftermarket coil(s) mounting design. I could use some inspirations on this one.
11-04-07, 11:14 PM
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Black widows have a strange web, almost like pulled cotton...Yea, Ive seen a lot of them and I have learned to pick the webs out as well...brown windows have a similar web, id stay away from either one though
11-05-07, 07:05 AM
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Or u can mount them infront of the PS/AC units. Some ppl have it there as well. And if it's only 2 coils it will not take alot of space either.
JT
11-05-07, 04:38 PM
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I've broke the ferrite on a set of MM coils as well.
It made me design a proper mounting system for them.
I had to make it shock proof as most race cars will vibrate everything apart and if your not prepared for it, it will break or loosen many bolts..
now that i have them mounted free of vibration i haven't had any issues..
Just remember whether your using MSD, Crane, MM coils, all need to be free from vibration or sooner or later they will break as well.
My buddy's race car replaces all his MSD coils (HVC's) every 6 months whether there broke or not.
It made me design a proper mounting system for them.
I had to make it shock proof as most race cars will vibrate everything apart and if your not prepared for it, it will break or loosen many bolts..
now that i have them mounted free of vibration i haven't had any issues..
Just remember whether your using MSD, Crane, MM coils, all need to be free from vibration or sooner or later they will break as well.
My buddy's race car replaces all his MSD coils (HVC's) every 6 months whether there broke or not.
11-08-07, 09:21 AM
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Carlos,
Love the new daily driver! Excellent choice in exterior / interior color combo! How do you like it compared to your old '95?
I hope you check your PM, I've got some things to help you with your current ignition dilemma
Take care,
Mike Gallagher
Love the new daily driver! Excellent choice in exterior / interior color combo! How do you like it compared to your old '95?
I hope you check your PM, I've got some things to help you with your current ignition dilemma
Take care,
Mike Gallagher
11-08-07, 09:42 AM
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Carlos, have you looked into GM LS1 coils? They've got a lot of spark energy, and OEM quality. I haven't heard anyone complain about them yet. Simply converting to 4 coils should yield a marked improvement since the leading coils now have twice as long to charge, you can increase the dwell time without worrying about running them too hot due to high duty cycle.
Firing 180 degees out of phase sounds like your ECU is sending a different signal than the ignition amplifier is expecting. Try changing your edge-triggering settings (leading to falling, or vice versa) and see if that helps.
I'm assuming you've already told the ECU that you have four coils and want to fire them sequentially rather than in wasted-spark mode. Otherwise one of your leading coils might not be firing at all, I'm sure you'd notice that pretty quickly.
-s-
Firing 180 degees out of phase sounds like your ECU is sending a different signal than the ignition amplifier is expecting. Try changing your edge-triggering settings (leading to falling, or vice versa) and see if that helps.
I'm assuming you've already told the ECU that you have four coils and want to fire them sequentially rather than in wasted-spark mode. Otherwise one of your leading coils might not be firing at all, I'm sure you'd notice that pretty quickly.
-s-
11-09-07, 01:52 AM
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Carlos, have you looked into GM LS1 coils? They've got a lot of spark energy, and OEM quality. I haven't heard anyone complain about them yet. Simply converting to 4 coils should yield a marked improvement since the leading coils now have twice as long to charge, you can increase the dwell time without worrying about running them too hot due to high duty cycle.
Firing 180 degees out of phase sounds like your ECU is sending a different signal than the ignition amplifier is expecting. Try changing your edge-triggering settings (leading to falling, or vice versa) and see if that helps.
I'm assuming you've already told the ECU that you have four coils and want to fire them sequentially rather than in wasted-spark mode. Otherwise one of your leading coils might not be firing at all, I'm sure you'd notice that pretty quickly.
-s-
Firing 180 degees out of phase sounds like your ECU is sending a different signal than the ignition amplifier is expecting. Try changing your edge-triggering settings (leading to falling, or vice versa) and see if that helps.
I'm assuming you've already told the ECU that you have four coils and want to fire them sequentially rather than in wasted-spark mode. Otherwise one of your leading coils might not be firing at all, I'm sure you'd notice that pretty quickly.
-s-
Can't use the LS1 coils with a CDI box. And tbh with the power he's putting out i would not run LS1 coils. A CDI box with some decent coils is far superior to the LS1 coils.
JT
11-09-07, 05:10 AM
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[QUOTE=Carlos Iglesias;7482384]Marcel:
Yeah, that's the third one I've found in this home in 14 years. It's kind of funny, because I've come to recognize the very chaotic web design before I actually see the Black Widows themselves. Kinda scarey from a myraid of perspectives!
fu%%$$$.....i wouldve moved once i saw that shiiiiiittt!!!!
Yeah, that's the third one I've found in this home in 14 years. It's kind of funny, because I've come to recognize the very chaotic web design before I actually see the Black Widows themselves. Kinda scarey from a myraid of perspectives!
fu%%$$$.....i wouldve moved once i saw that shiiiiiittt!!!!
01-13-08, 01:10 AM
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[Edit] Out with the old
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Well, the 500R/E6K install officially kicked my ****! To make matters worse, I've just moved within 9 miles of Leguna Seca, which in turn has compounded my impatience with having the car down. So in the great traditions of slackers, I'm "throwing the baby out with the bath water:" Goodbye Haltech, hello Motec (M4).
After personally installing four different previous ECU's in my RX-7, and having tuned all but my first Petitt "unlimited" ecu, I'm going a different route this time. I've enlisted the expertise of Paul Yaw (Yaw Power). Though I'll do the install, Paul will provide the hardware/software support and tuning oversight. We've been in counsel all week on the initial setup and the initial design draft includes ECU management of:
OUTPUTS:
Ignition. Though I'm still 90% committed to implementing the Autronic 500R, I haven't completely ruled out going with a more traditional Bosch 4-channel inductive ignition. Along similar lines, I'm fairly certain the ignition with be a no-split firing, but this is another major design choice I'll still have to bounce off of Paul before finalizing.
Needless to say, more to follow. So if you get a sadistic thrill out of watching the "upgrade misery" of other, then stay tune...
Well, the 500R/E6K install officially kicked my ****! To make matters worse, I've just moved within 9 miles of Leguna Seca, which in turn has compounded my impatience with having the car down. So in the great traditions of slackers, I'm "throwing the baby out with the bath water:" Goodbye Haltech, hello Motec (M4).
After personally installing four different previous ECU's in my RX-7, and having tuned all but my first Petitt "unlimited" ecu, I'm going a different route this time. I've enlisted the expertise of Paul Yaw (Yaw Power). Though I'll do the install, Paul will provide the hardware/software support and tuning oversight. We've been in counsel all week on the initial setup and the initial design draft includes ECU management of:
OUTPUTS:
- Traction Control (3 or 4 channel)
- Boost Control (Multiple inputs)
- Fuel Pumps
- IAC
- Intake (MAP) & exhaust manifold pressure (EMAP)
- Fuel Pressure (Differential)
- TPS
- Air Temp
- Coolant Temp
- Wheel Speed (3 or 4 channel)
- Voltage
- EGT (?)
Ignition. Though I'm still 90% committed to implementing the Autronic 500R, I haven't completely ruled out going with a more traditional Bosch 4-channel inductive ignition. Along similar lines, I'm fairly certain the ignition with be a no-split firing, but this is another major design choice I'll still have to bounce off of Paul before finalizing.
Needless to say, more to follow. So if you get a sadistic thrill out of watching the "upgrade misery" of other, then stay tune...
01-13-08, 02:15 PM
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I dont know why you guys fool w/ elaborate ignition systems. There are people making 600-700 hp at high boost levels w/ no ignition problems on the hks twin power. I know its not a true upgraded coil system only a box that enhances spark but it works!
01-15-08, 01:35 PM
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G's 3rd Gen: First off, I'll have to admit to being a staunch champion of Voltaire's, "The Best is the Enemy of the Good." I've found this attitude especially prevasive in things I put my name to. Perhaps I do suffer from technology for technology's sake (i.e. overkill).
Could you share with me (and anyone reading this post) exactly who is making "...700 at high boost w/ no problems on the HKS twin power."
I'd also bet there isn't a "road racing" application in the bunch, as it's a whole different can of worms to run an ignition system hard for a few second (e.g. 1/4 mile or autox) or forupwards of an hour at a time in my applications.
Could you share with me (and anyone reading this post) exactly who is making "...700 at high boost w/ no problems on the HKS twin power."
I'd also bet there isn't a "road racing" application in the bunch, as it's a whole different can of worms to run an ignition system hard for a few second (e.g. 1/4 mile or autox) or forupwards of an hour at a time in my applications.
01-15-08, 02:37 PM
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Just remember to seperate the leading and trailing coils so they each use one capacitor on the 500R.
Also glad to see your getting a quality ecu. You can't go wrong with either a motec or autronic.
You'll be in good hand's with paul as well...
If you need anything don't be afraid to ask...
Enzo
01-15-08, 03:52 PM
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G's 3rd Gen: First off, I'll have to admit to being a staunch champion of Voltaire's, "The Best is the Enemy of the Good." I've found this attitude especially prevasive in things I put my name to. Perhaps I do suffer from technology for technology's sake (i.e. overkill).
Could you share with me (and anyone reading this post) exactly who is making "...700 at high boost w/ no problems on the HKS twin power."
I'd also bet there isn't a "road racing" application in the bunch, as it's a whole different can of worms to run an ignition system hard for a few second (e.g. 1/4 mile or autox) or forupwards of an hour at a time in my applications.
Could you share with me (and anyone reading this post) exactly who is making "...700 at high boost w/ no problems on the HKS twin power."
I'd also bet there isn't a "road racing" application in the bunch, as it's a whole different can of worms to run an ignition system hard for a few second (e.g. 1/4 mile or autox) or forupwards of an hour at a time in my applications.
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Been looking for you? Send me an Email
Hey Buddy, finally found you. Send me an email. We have moved from Seattle. Would love to catch up.
** I removed the email** shoot him a PM.
** I removed the email** shoot him a PM.
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03-01-08, 12:11 PM
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Paul Yaw is a mad man... the guy comes up with crazy ideas that just work. Probably one of the best if not the best rotary guru around. I am fortunate to know Glen, who closely worked with and was taught by Paul Yaw and has thus been successful with AZ Rotary Rockets. Good luck with your setup. Motec + 500R is a setup I contemplated for a long time. However, the money involved to run that setup pushes me away.
its worth every penny IMO.
05-19-08, 09:38 AM
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Got wires... here goes again with Blackboxes V2.0. More to follow, with some help from the "locals"...
Oh yeah, the E6K with partially terminated harness is heading to a classified section near you.
Oh yeah, the E6K with partially terminated harness is heading to a classified section near you.
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