94 Build... GT35R, RE Vmount and a whole lot more............ NOW WITH PISTONS!!
01-28-13, 12:52 AM
#326
I concur with your sentiments. I got a nice walk-through of RE V-mounts when I was picking up a battery kit from Ben too. I could tell he was very passionate about what he makes and definitely stands behind his products, and goes the extra distance to provide quality.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see the next steps for your car once you're back home. I'm sure you're busy planning and scheming while away in Fairfield as well!
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see the next steps for your car once you're back home. I'm sure you're busy planning and scheming while away in Fairfield as well!
01-28-13, 12:08 PM
#327
Awww, thanks guys...lol
XLR8, man that was fast.
Yes the new a/c test set-up proved that with a half ***-charged system that had lines opens to the atmosphere for almost 2 years...... works.
Granted this new design is focused more for the engine and less for the cabin. But when your moving with a proper recharge it will blow cold-confirmed. In idle, well it did not blow warm and it blows a little cool, but when it was driven-yes it was cold.
This new set-up gives both the ac cars and non ac cars the same benefit of the radiator getting fresh air without anything blocking it. It also increases the air flow to both cores.
Here is something to remember, it’s like a double edged sword.
The whole reason for the steeper angle on the vm was for it to work better with a closed hood without vents. The core would get some direct airflow, but without a vented hood it will still get hot, but its better then the flatter core.
However, the whole reason for the core being level and closer to the hood is because the high pressure going over the hood extracts the low pressure cool air entering the front of the nose up through the core and out the vents.
Think of it like this. When you apply fertilizer to a lawn, you can by the one where the bottle attaches to a hose. As the water passes the bottle it extracts the fertilizer and helps disperse it.
That’s basically why the core is placed closer to the vents on the hood. It is a better design for a vented hood application.
But, the new design does not lose that effect, I am angling it just enough to work better with a closed hood and to clear the front relay box so that it does not have to be flipped anymore.
But the overall height is still close the hood and it will still benefit from a vented hood greatly.
I’m just trying to build a kit that can do a little bit of everything.
When you buy my kit, it should be "1 and done"
OK off to work, I have like 20 vm's to build...lol
Ben
XLR8, man that was fast.
Yes the new a/c test set-up proved that with a half ***-charged system that had lines opens to the atmosphere for almost 2 years...... works.
Granted this new design is focused more for the engine and less for the cabin. But when your moving with a proper recharge it will blow cold-confirmed. In idle, well it did not blow warm and it blows a little cool, but when it was driven-yes it was cold.
This new set-up gives both the ac cars and non ac cars the same benefit of the radiator getting fresh air without anything blocking it. It also increases the air flow to both cores.
Here is something to remember, it’s like a double edged sword.
The whole reason for the steeper angle on the vm was for it to work better with a closed hood without vents. The core would get some direct airflow, but without a vented hood it will still get hot, but its better then the flatter core.
However, the whole reason for the core being level and closer to the hood is because the high pressure going over the hood extracts the low pressure cool air entering the front of the nose up through the core and out the vents.
Think of it like this. When you apply fertilizer to a lawn, you can by the one where the bottle attaches to a hose. As the water passes the bottle it extracts the fertilizer and helps disperse it.
That’s basically why the core is placed closer to the vents on the hood. It is a better design for a vented hood application.
But, the new design does not lose that effect, I am angling it just enough to work better with a closed hood and to clear the front relay box so that it does not have to be flipped anymore.
But the overall height is still close the hood and it will still benefit from a vented hood greatly.
I’m just trying to build a kit that can do a little bit of everything.
When you buy my kit, it should be "1 and done"
OK off to work, I have like 20 vm's to build...lol
Ben
01-31-13, 02:40 AM
#329
I think we did it in 15 to 20 min for fun that day, Ive gone low 11's (min) on the road before. See the vid, I have both sections on it and the vid is under 10 min...I was movin.
hahahaha too bad I was only driving casual due to the bikers, cars and daytime traffic. I did get to push it about 85% towards the end when it cleared up. With new brakes and tires... Thats when I try 100%... I even scare myself...lol
This vid Im trying about 80%. I have better corner entry and I had to swerve to miss him twice. I put the pressure on him, you can tell as he started making mistakes. I made excusses in the vid so when he saw it he wouldnt feel so bad.
I was mostly in 2nd gear...redline the whole time, about 65ish in the RX8.
Ben
p.s. This is the road I test my products on.
02-02-13, 06:12 AM
#334
Just out of curiosity, what part of your build so far would you say has given you the most satisfaction in completing or do you find the most rewarding when you find yourself just staring at your car in the garage? Random question I know
02-02-13, 07:56 AM
#335
I still cant believe that dude and his grandma.... wth
True Story !!!!!! Josh can verify.
dude: "Is that an RX7"
me: "yup"
dude: "I love RX7's, does it have turbo"
me: "yup"
dude: "You want a big wad of cash for your car."
me: "hell no"-instinctive response
me commenting to Josh: "what kind of wad, ghetto wad of cash or Saudi Oil type wad of cash".....lol
10 minutes later an old lady walks up.
old lady: "I'm looking for a car for my grandson"
me: "oh, he wanted my RX7."
old lady: "I need a car to drive everyday, you dont have any cars for sale".
me: "sorry, no"
Josh: "the blue car" (my rx8...lol)
old lady pointing to the silver FC: "what about this one"
me: "no sorry"
old lady pointing to the white 323 gtx: "what about this one"
me: "no sorry"
old lady: "you can't even sell a dying old lady with lung cancer a car to get around in"
me: "omg, Im so sorry, but none of my cars are for sale"
old lady: walks off mumbling something.
me to Josh: "I guess I can sell it to her if she puts it in her will to give it back to me when she passes a way."
stock vs stock RX8 handles better then the FD. When modified, both cars are pretty close... handling wise. Obviously the FD motor will make more power.
FD motor in RX8, pretty much a perfect car. 4 doors and a trunk. Cheaper on insurance, can fit more girls in it, the trunk can hide all our crap for that emergency date...lol
True Story !!!!!! Josh can verify.
dude: "Is that an RX7"
me: "yup"
dude: "I love RX7's, does it have turbo"
me: "yup"
dude: "You want a big wad of cash for your car."
me: "hell no"-instinctive response
me commenting to Josh: "what kind of wad, ghetto wad of cash or Saudi Oil type wad of cash".....lol
10 minutes later an old lady walks up.
old lady: "I'm looking for a car for my grandson"
me: "oh, he wanted my RX7."
old lady: "I need a car to drive everyday, you dont have any cars for sale".
me: "sorry, no"
Josh: "the blue car" (my rx8...lol)
old lady pointing to the silver FC: "what about this one"
me: "no sorry"
old lady pointing to the white 323 gtx: "what about this one"
me: "no sorry"
old lady: "you can't even sell a dying old lady with lung cancer a car to get around in"
me: "omg, Im so sorry, but none of my cars are for sale"
old lady: walks off mumbling something.
me to Josh: "I guess I can sell it to her if she puts it in her will to give it back to me when she passes a way."
stock vs stock RX8 handles better then the FD. When modified, both cars are pretty close... handling wise. Obviously the FD motor will make more power.
FD motor in RX8, pretty much a perfect car. 4 doors and a trunk. Cheaper on insurance, can fit more girls in it, the trunk can hide all our crap for that emergency date...lol
02-02-13, 04:03 PM
#337
#garageguybuild
iTrader: (32)
stock vs stock RX8 handles better then the FD. When modified, both cars are pretty close... handling wise. Obviously the FD motor will make more power.
FD motor in RX8, pretty much a perfect car. 4 doors and a trunk. Cheaper on insurance, can fit more girls in it, the trunk can hide all our crap for that emergency date...lol
Totally agree!!
I'm living that dream now. F'in love my REW swap RX-8.
Take the kids to school, go shopping she does it all and has the power we all crave
02-06-13, 11:31 AM
#340
I'm not 100% sure here, but I was watching hot version international awhile ago and there is an episode that compares the rx7 chassis and suspension over the years and if I remember correctly, there was a portion of the episode that featured one of if not the lead designer for the rx8 suspension. I can't remember exactly what was said, but the suspension setup was designed to handle better than the FD and it really showed through the hairpins. The rx8 would of been a great car minus the rear doors/back seats and lack of a turbo in my opinion.
Just out of curiosity, what part of your build so far would you say has given you the most satisfaction in completing or do you find the most rewarding when you find yourself just staring at your car in the garage? Random question I know
Just out of curiosity, what part of your build so far would you say has given you the most satisfaction in completing or do you find the most rewarding when you find yourself just staring at your car in the garage? Random question I know
I will admit, I am absolutely ecstatic with my new paint and body pieces. The car has really taken form since I got it painted. But, the fact remains, I did not paint it myself. I wrote a check and picked it up from the paint shop. But every time I pop the hood, I know that's all me.
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05-12-13, 07:39 PM
#348
Finally time to post up some updates....
WIRING
Just when you think you're done... there are more things to wire up! My "tuck" turned into a combination of fuse box relocation and some wire tucking. Overall, I am pleased with the result. As I mentioned, I was debating on moving the box to the rear, or bin, or the roof. Somewhere other than its ugly stock location. What I decided was hopefully the best of both form and function. I relocated the boxes to the lower frame rail. I then routed all engine side wiring through the fender and back under the brake booster. It turned out pretty clean, and didn't unnecessarily extend wiring through the car. With my Vmount, and upper custom shroud, they will be quite hidden.
The Rywire harness turned out great! clean and easy to install!
FUEL
The fuel system is pretty much complete. I used Pushloc fittings with Otiker clamps and they turned out well. I have tested the system up to 75psi without a single leak. It's amazing how much easier it is to work with those FFE Rails. On the pump side, I do plan to replace the factory plug with a higher amp aftermarket. I have yet to have issues, but I have seen some of them melt causing nasty effects.
I decided to mount the FPR to the secondary rail. A trick I picked up from the Sake Bomb boys. It worked out very well and clearance was not an issue with the factory manifolds and FFE rails. I did have to use a 120 fitting on the return, but everything turned out great. Thanks Dan & John for the idea. I am still running a series system as you can see, but I have no doubts that it will perform to my expected power level. Yes, the little blue injector spacer is black now .
ECU
I received my new Adaptronic Select ECU and started playing with it right away. As I have probably mentioned, I am not a tuner. Thus far, I like the ECU. The features and setup are pretty straightforward. With the Adaptronic I wanted to do a few things differently.
- Dual EGT logging and a new wideband: The Adaptronic has Serial input/outputs and workes very well with the Innovative wideband. During closed loop tuning and adaptive learning, the wideband self checks the sensor for accuracy and reports to the ECU if things are off. This triggers open loop before the map is edited wrong, or bad things happen. Innovative also has an EGT thermocoupler module called the TC-4. Like most serial devices you can piggyback them into the ECU for logging or viewing.
- AI control, boost by gear, direct fire, and traction control:....OH MY! A few of the features of the Adaptronic are pretty sweet for a plug-in ECU. I setup the ECU to control boost via a MAC solenoid, as well as controlling my water injection solenoid. The boost by gear will take some time to setup, but will likely prove useful considering my power level and traction issues. I also switched to AEM coils with direct fire that I will outline below. As far as traction control goes, I'm not there yet. This will likely be a coming winter project as I start to get the car sorted out, tuned, and laying down rubber. Nonetheless, pretty exciting to see this feature.
- Adaptive Tuner: This is a pretty cool feature. Essentially an Android App developed by a savvy enthusiast. It interfaces with the serial connection of the ECU via Bluetooth, and displays engine metrics, and adaptive learning flags. As updates have been released, we can now edit the fuel map via smart phone.... Pretty neat.
The bluetooth dongle requires 5v for power. How ironic the TC-4 has a 5v output for sensors.
GALAXY PAD
As I once again began to look at my gauge options and knowing I would be putting a better stereo in, it really fell into place. I had a decent array of Defi gauges that worked well. But with all of the sensors and added interior affect I was looking for a cleaner solution. I have been following Adaptronic's updates on their PLX gauge integration. Not to say I will not put a single column PLX DM100 gauge in later, but we will see how it works out.
The Pad install has been going well, though not quite finished. My video below outlines the updates..
WIRING
Just when you think you're done... there are more things to wire up! My "tuck" turned into a combination of fuse box relocation and some wire tucking. Overall, I am pleased with the result. As I mentioned, I was debating on moving the box to the rear, or bin, or the roof
. Somewhere other than its ugly stock location. What I decided was hopefully the best of both form and function. I relocated the boxes to the lower frame rail. I then routed all engine side wiring through the fender and back under the brake booster. It turned out pretty clean, and didn't unnecessarily extend wiring through the car. With my Vmount, and upper custom shroud, they will be quite hidden.The Rywire harness turned out great! clean and easy to install!
FUEL
The fuel system is pretty much complete. I used Pushloc fittings with Otiker clamps and they turned out well. I have tested the system up to 75psi without a single leak. It's amazing how much easier it is to work with those FFE Rails. On the pump side, I do plan to replace the factory plug with a higher amp aftermarket. I have yet to have issues, but I have seen some of them melt causing nasty effects.
I decided to mount the FPR to the secondary rail. A trick I picked up from the Sake Bomb boys
. It worked out very well and clearance was not an issue with the factory manifolds and FFE rails. I did have to use a 120 fitting on the return, but everything turned out great. Thanks Dan & John for the idea. I am still running a series system as you can see, but I have no doubts that it will perform to my expected power level. Yes, the little blue injector spacer is black now .
ECU
I received my new Adaptronic Select ECU and started playing with it right away. As I have probably mentioned, I am not a tuner. Thus far, I like the ECU. The features and setup are pretty straightforward. With the Adaptronic I wanted to do a few things differently.
- Dual EGT logging and a new wideband: The Adaptronic has Serial input/outputs and workes very well with the Innovative wideband. During closed loop tuning and adaptive learning, the wideband self checks the sensor for accuracy and reports to the ECU if things are off. This triggers open loop before the map is edited wrong, or bad things happen. Innovative also has an EGT thermocoupler module called the TC-4. Like most serial devices you can piggyback them into the ECU for logging or viewing.
- AI control, boost by gear, direct fire, and traction control:....OH MY! A few of the features of the Adaptronic are pretty sweet for a plug-in ECU. I setup the ECU to control boost via a MAC solenoid, as well as controlling my water injection solenoid. The boost by gear will take some time to setup, but will likely prove useful considering my power level and traction issues. I also switched to AEM coils with direct fire that I will outline below. As far as traction control goes, I'm not there yet. This will likely be a coming winter project as I start to get the car sorted out, tuned, and laying down rubber. Nonetheless, pretty exciting to see this feature.
- Adaptive Tuner: This is a pretty cool feature. Essentially an Android App developed by a savvy enthusiast. It interfaces with the serial connection of the ECU via Bluetooth, and displays engine metrics, and adaptive learning flags. As updates have been released, we can now edit the fuel map via smart phone.... Pretty neat.
The bluetooth dongle requires 5v for power. How ironic the TC-4 has a 5v output for sensors.
GALAXY PAD
As I once again began to look at my gauge options and knowing I would be putting a better stereo in, it really fell into place. I had a decent array of Defi gauges that worked well. But with all of the sensors and added interior affect I was looking for a cleaner solution. I have been following Adaptronic's updates on their PLX gauge integration. Not to say I will not put a single column PLX DM100 gauge in later, but we will see how it works out.
The Pad install has been going well, though not quite finished. My video below outlines the updates..
05-12-13, 07:40 PM
#349
DIRECT FIRE, FFE, and AEM COILS
Like others, I made the move to AEM coils. The Adaptronic has the ability to utilize the FFE trigger kit, and direct fire ignition. My previous coil setup performed well with the HKS Twin Power, but I wanted to upgrade anyway. My mounting solution turned out pretty well I think. The coil bracket holes are spaced identical to the power steering brackets....go figure. With some spacers from McMasters, and a set of custom wires from Magnecor, I am in business. I do plan to add a support bracket to the rear of the coils. As you can see, they are counter hung from the bolts. Though very solid, I think a support bracket is in order.
BETTER FLOW!
With my new power goals, I had to get the entire hotside sorted out. The T4 Ptrim 1.15ar 35R was a step in the right direction. So I bit the bullet on a proper manifold setup. I am awaiting my dual wastegate Turblown manifold and 4" downpipe. Pics coming soon. My plan has been to go with a full 4" exhaust. Of course, this represents a problem with actually having it made, making it myself, towing the car to and from a shop, and all the problems that present themselves with a custom piece. I recently stumbled onto a 3.75" Greddy Race exhaust and I didn't think twice on clicking the "Buy from Goodfella" button. For those that don't know, this exhaust was discontinued quite some time ago. The mid section has even been modified to fit a 4" vband downpipe. Magical...
More updates on the way.....
- More ceramichromed parts
- More wiring
- No more silicone vacuum lines... ever.
- Rotary Extreme's NEW Vmount design!!
- WI revisions
Thanks everyone!!!
Like others, I made the move to AEM coils. The Adaptronic has the ability to utilize the FFE trigger kit, and direct fire ignition. My previous coil setup performed well with the HKS Twin Power, but I wanted to upgrade anyway. My mounting solution turned out pretty well I think. The coil bracket holes are spaced identical to the power steering brackets....go figure. With some spacers from McMasters, and a set of custom wires from Magnecor, I am in business. I do plan to add a support bracket to the rear of the coils. As you can see, they are counter hung from the bolts. Though very solid, I think a support bracket is in order.
BETTER FLOW!
With my new power goals, I had to get the entire hotside sorted out. The T4 Ptrim 1.15ar 35R was a step in the right direction. So I bit the bullet on a proper manifold setup. I am awaiting my dual wastegate Turblown manifold and 4" downpipe. Pics coming soon. My plan has been to go with a full 4" exhaust. Of course, this represents a problem with actually having it made, making it myself, towing the car to and from a shop, and all the problems that present themselves with a custom piece. I recently stumbled onto a 3.75" Greddy Race exhaust and I didn't think twice on clicking the "Buy from Goodfella" button. For those that don't know, this exhaust was discontinued quite some time ago. The mid section has even been modified to fit a 4" vband downpipe. Magical...
More updates on the way.....
- More ceramichromed parts
- More wiring
- No more silicone vacuum lines... ever.
- Rotary Extreme's NEW Vmount design!!
- WI revisions
Thanks everyone!!!
05-12-13, 08:08 PM
#350
Original Gangster/Rotary!
iTrader: (213)
Damn, you got that exhaust installed with a quickness soldier 
Next up, PLEASE let me help you choose a different steering wheel
Good to see ya this weekend, even if you did bring the torrential downpour with ya
Next up, PLEASE let me help you choose a different steering wheel
Good to see ya this weekend, even if you did bring the torrential downpour with ya