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Turbo blown performance is all i have to say warning warning warning
I have known elliot for 3 years he was the first person that i had ever do anything to my car from engines to mods to suspension.... everything........... I am taking my time to let everyone know that if you bring your rx7 to elliot it may not only be blown but nothing is ever his fault no matter how much evidence you have of him. I will be also resolving this through legal action if you actually look at his website my car is listed under the twin to4e kit that hes selling on www.turblown.net. Some people may remember this build from me posting on the single turbo thread earlier this year. My turbo kit never worked properly and elliot never made the effort to completely finish it and make it work and Ofcourse he will never refund the money for this nor will he make it right. Elliot had done work to these turbos and went road tuning on my street ported motor, he pushed my car to 25 lbs of boost when he knew that my rx7 had stock fuel lines and that twin walboros are not efficient reliable. At this point he calls me and says that the apex seals have blown and now i am looking at another motor. He tells me he has a halfbridge motor ready to go that he setup with unbreakable als seals and all ceramic coated internal housings, rotors, rotor bearings, and side plates. I had bought the engine and had him install it which took 6 months to complete but never even ran correctly. I immediately took my car out of the shop only to find out that he was trying to tune my car with one of my fuel injectors compeletely stuck open. All my fuel lines were leaking, oil return line for the turbos were completely pinched and had ruined the turbos. I had to fix all the oil lines fuel lines just about everything that i had paid him for because everything was incorrectly installed. I myself finally got the car to run correctly and found the stuck injector and i was able to break in the engine properly (at this point i was the happiest person in the world.) break in was done and everything is fixed and now its time for some tuning and to push for horsepower because that is what the engine is built for. tuning is going great the car had great horsepower and runs good all of a sudden just cruising normal on the street the car didnt want to idle out of no where i had to accelerate a lot for it not to die. I get home and the engine doesnt want to turn over and run unless its really cold and not hot at all. I had a feeling there was going to be surprises inside the engine so i took time off of my own work just to take the engine out and find out whats going on. I take it apart and sure enough non of the housings, bearings, side plates, rotors were not coated at all. Apex seals are atkins rotary seals, the bearings are in some of the worst conditions i have ever seen or many shops have ever seen aswell. His brideporting looks like he got an ice pick and went to work just look at the pictures its ridiculous. I never thought elliot would do this to his long time customer i had so much trust in him and i got screwed badly. I confronted elliot about this and ofcourse its not his fault he didnt do it and supposably his excuse for the bridgeporting done that way is because he never charged me for it. im out thousands of dollars for absolutely nothing.......... he still has my 800 dollar intercooler that traded me for a peice of **** jdm ebay intercooler so he can try and make the turbo kit work. he tried to blame it on me taking apart the engine and because i did not record every detail and follow procedure he can not do anything about it. I hate that it has to come to this but my car was in his shop since january of this year and i barely got to drive my car a week ago. elliot left my car outside and one of my gauges for egt is trashed because the hot arizona heat beat on it. My paint looks like chalk now and before it went in it looked in decent shape and not to mention my carbon fiber vis hood has turned green and looks so bad its not even funny.
ELLIOT PLEASE I WANT YOU TO SAY SOMETHING PLEASE, I KNOW WHAT UR GONNA SAY.......... ITS NOT YOUR FAULT...... GIVE ME A DAY AND IM GOING TO START POSTING HOW HE CUT MY RX7 FRONT END COMPLETELY TO FIT ONLY INTERCOOLER PIPING.......... PEOPLE BEWARE.
ELLIOT PLEASE I WANT YOU TO SAY SOMETHING PLEASE, I KNOW WHAT UR GONNA SAY.......... ITS NOT YOUR FAULT...... GIVE ME A DAY AND IM GOING TO START POSTING HOW HE CUT MY RX7 FRONT END COMPLETELY TO FIT ONLY INTERCOOLER PIPING.......... PEOPLE BEWARE.
10-01-10, 09:01 PM
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As a business owner, I am always a little skeptical of things lke this because I know how things get blown out of porportion... Don't get me wrong, I don't know either party and I would like nothing more than for the truth to come out and have light shed on it.
-J
10-01-10, 09:09 PM
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That's if this is "true". The reason that we have the "good bad" section is so that these things can be worked out and discussed by BOTH parties, IN THAT SECTION.
As a business owner, I am always a little skeptical of things lke this because I know how things get blown out of porportion... Don't get me wrong, I don't know either party and I would like nothing more than for the truth to come out and have light shed on it.
-J
As a business owner, I am always a little skeptical of things lke this because I know how things get blown out of porportion... Don't get me wrong, I don't know either party and I would like nothing more than for the truth to come out and have light shed on it.
-J
but u gota see it from the general amount of people who get on this forum's view...i'm searching through this forum probably 6 or 7 times a day killing time between classes and such cus im in college...and if this hadnt gone into a much more viewed section like this then i would never have seen it and would never have known about this elliot guy
so ye i understand what you mean...but i appreciate him posting in one the most viewed sections...
10-01-10, 09:12 PM
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You are lying and misleading everyone here. Lets clear some things up here;
A) Yes the twin turbo kit was not working exactly as planned, we swapped to a dual inlet intercooler off ebay to test a possible fix. We did not charge you for this, and I told you," Why would we spend $800+ on a custom intercooler if we didn't know it would fix the problem". You were the one who wanted the twin turbos, and you were charged less than we we install a normal single turbo system for. Since your car I have had several people call about the twin turbo setup and I have steered everyone away from it. We never got to figure out the problem, but suggested a few routes to fix it. The twin inlet intercooler according to you fixed the issue to 20psi, which was just last week. So it was making progress. We never said we were done. Also we offered your old intercooler back to you, you didn't want it.
B) Everything we told you about the engine was true, you even saw the coated sideplates before the engine was assembled. I also have receipts from Edgar for the ALS seals. Josh at Atkins can also verify we have only bought one set of Rx-7 Apex seals and these were installed in another engine for another shop way before yours. You cannot expect chewed bearings to show the coatings since they have been mangled. I have pictures to prove it. I have attached a photo of the Irons and Ports. When you blow an engine parts go through it, they are not going to look the same as the day it went together. You also claimed we put fake Garrett turbos on your car, again I told you call our distributor he will verify it.
C) You did not take your car out of our shop as described. There was not a SINGLE leak on the vehicle. The primary injector you say was stuck open was cleaned by TPI several months before and had been since then on your old engine. Again we have receipts. We never got to tuning the car, we drove it a mere two miles. You were the one who had to pull the car out asap. Then you did a manual swap on it, and according to you had another shop work on the vehicle. You claimed a front main seal was changed. I asked you if they held in the clutch while doing this, then later told me you lied about it to test me. So what can we really believe about what happened?
D). We put new coated bearings in the engine, we even hand clearanced these on our lathe. Went to great lengths on this motor for you. We told you to put 2000 miles on it without boost and drop the oil at 20 miles and every 500 after. You told me you got the car running then not much longer after you were at 20psi, and as high as 22psi. You told me it was running great, and had a ton of power, and spool was incredible. You admitted you did not follow our break-in procedure, because the last motor only did 500 before WOT. Last motor had used bearings.
E) You tuned the car yourself. I asked you how you tuned it. You told me 12AFR, pump gas, with the water alcohol removed. I told you that was way too much for 20psi.
F) you told me there was a problem that the engine had, and you continued to drive it, and you had to drive it floored for it to move. That is negligence on your part.
So in summary you did not follow our break-in procedure, you tuned it poorly, you kept on driving when you knew there was a problem, you claimed another shop removed the front bolt, and you tore the engine apart. All void the warranty.
And STILL we said we would help you, but you want your money back. We cannot pay for your mistakes. I can go on and on, but I have other things to do right now. We also have a great reputation, and many can attest to that.
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You are lying and misleading everyone here. Lets clear some things up here;
A) Yes the twin turbo kit was not working exactly as planned, we swapped to a dual inlet intercooler off ebay to test a possible fix. We did not charge you for this, and I told you," Why would we spend $800+ on a custom intercooler if we didn't know it would fix the problem". You were the one who wanted the twin turbos, and you were charged less than we we install a normal single turbo system for. Since your car I have had several people call about the twin turbo setup and I have steered everyone away from it. We never got to figure out the problem, but suggested a few routes to fix it. The twin inlet intercooler according to you fixed the issue to 20psi, which was just last week. So it was making progress. We never said we were done. Also we offered your old intercooler back to you, you didn't want it.
B) Everything we told you about the engine was true, you even saw the coated sideplates before the engine was assembled. I also have receipts from Edgar for the ALS seals. Josh at Atkins can also verify we have only bought one set of Rx-7 Apex seals and these were installed in another engine for another shop way before yours. You cannot expect chewed bearings to show the coatings since they have been mangled. I have pictures to prove it. I have attached a photo of the Irons and Ports. When you blow an engine parts go through it, they are not going to look the same as the day it went together. You also claimed we put fake Garrett turbos on your car, again I told you call our distributor he will verify it.
C) You did not take your car out of our shop as described. There was not a SINGLE leak on the vehicle. The primary injector you say was stuck open was cleaned by TPI several months before and had been since then on your old engine. Again we have receipts. We never got to tuning the car, we drove it a mere two miles. You were the one who had to pull the car out asap. Then you did a manual swap on it, and according to you had another shop work on the vehicle. You claimed a front main seal was changed. I asked you if they held in the clutch while doing this, then later told me you lied about it to test me. So what can we really believe about what happened?
D). We put new coated bearings in the engine, we even hand clearanced these on our lathe. Went to great lengths on this motor for you. We told you to put 2000 miles on it without boost and drop the oil at 20 miles and every 500 after. You told me you got the car running then not much longer after you were at 20psi, and as high as 22psi. You told me it was running great, and had a ton of power, and spool was incredible. You admitted you did not follow our break-in procedure, because the last motor only did 500 before WOT. Last motor had used bearings.
E) You tuned the car yourself. I asked you how you tuned it. You told me 12AFR, pump gas, with the water alcohol removed. I told you that was way too much for 20psi.
F) you told me there was a problem that the engine had, and you continued to drive it, and you had to drive it floored for it to move. That is negligence on your part.
So in summary you did not follow our break-in procedure, you tuned it poorly, you kept on driving when you knew there was a problem, you claimed another shop removed the front bolt, and you tore the engine apart. All void the warranty.
And STILL we said we would help you, but you want your money back. We cannot pay for your mistakes. I can go on and on, but I have other things to do right now. We also have a great reputation, and many can attest to that.
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Andrew,
You are lying and misleading everyone here. Lets clear some things up here;
A) Yes the twin turbo kit was not working exactly as planned, we swapped to a dual inlet intercooler off ebay to test a possible fix. We did not charge you for this, and I told you," Why would we spend $800+ on a custom intercooler if we didn't know it would fix the problem". You were the one who wanted the twin turbos, and you were charged less than we we install a normal single turbo system for. Since your car I have had several people call about the twin turbo setup and I have steered everyone away from it. We never got to figure out the problem, but suggested a few routes to fix it. The twin inlet intercooler according to you fixed the issue to 20psi, which was just last week. So it was making progress. We never said we were done. Also we offered your old intercooler back to you, you didn't want it.
B) Everything we told you about the engine was true, you even saw the coated sideplates before the engine was assembled. I also have receipts from Edgar for the ALS seals. Josh at Atkins can also verify we have only bought one set of Rx-7 Apex seals and these were installed in another engine for another shop way before yours. You cannot expect chewed bearings to show the coatings since they have been mangled. I have pictures to prove it. I have attached a photo of the Irons and Ports. When you blow an engine parts go through it, they are not going to look the same as the day it went together. You also claimed we put fake Garrett turbos on your car, again I told you call our distributor he will verify it.
C) You did not take your car out of our shop as described. There was not a SINGLE leak on the vehicle. The primary injector you say was stuck open was cleaned by TPI several months before and had been since then on your old engine. Again we have receipts. We never got to tuning the car, we drove it a mere two miles. You were the one who had to pull the car out asap. Then you did a manual swap on it, and according to you had another shop work on the vehicle. You claimed a front main seal was changed. I asked you if they held in the clutch while doing this, then later told me you lied about it to test me. So what can we really believe about what happened?
D). We put new coated bearings in the engine, we even hand clearanced these on our lathe. Went to great lengths on this motor for you. We told you to put 2000 miles on it without boost and drop the oil at 20 miles and every 500 after. You told me you got the car running then not much longer after you were at 20psi, and as high as 22psi. You told me it was running great, and had a ton of power, and spool was incredible. You admitted you did not follow our break-in procedure, because the last motor only did 500 before WOT. Last motor had used bearings.
E) You tuned the car yourself. I asked you how you tuned it. You told me 12AFR, pump gas, with the water alcohol removed. I told you that was way too much for 20psi.
F) you told me there was a problem that the engine had, and you continued to drive it, and you had to drive it floored for it to move. That is negligence on your part.
So in summary you did not follow our break-in procedure, you tuned it poorly, you kept on driving when you knew there was a problem, you claimed another shop removed the front bolt, and you tore the engine apart. All void the warranty.
And STILL we said we would help you, but you want your money back. We cannot pay for your mistakes. I can go on and on, but I have other things to do right now. We also have a great reputation, and many can attest to that.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...&ref=fbx_album
You are lying and misleading everyone here. Lets clear some things up here;
A) Yes the twin turbo kit was not working exactly as planned, we swapped to a dual inlet intercooler off ebay to test a possible fix. We did not charge you for this, and I told you," Why would we spend $800+ on a custom intercooler if we didn't know it would fix the problem". You were the one who wanted the twin turbos, and you were charged less than we we install a normal single turbo system for. Since your car I have had several people call about the twin turbo setup and I have steered everyone away from it. We never got to figure out the problem, but suggested a few routes to fix it. The twin inlet intercooler according to you fixed the issue to 20psi, which was just last week. So it was making progress. We never said we were done. Also we offered your old intercooler back to you, you didn't want it.
B) Everything we told you about the engine was true, you even saw the coated sideplates before the engine was assembled. I also have receipts from Edgar for the ALS seals. Josh at Atkins can also verify we have only bought one set of Rx-7 Apex seals and these were installed in another engine for another shop way before yours. You cannot expect chewed bearings to show the coatings since they have been mangled. I have pictures to prove it. I have attached a photo of the Irons and Ports. When you blow an engine parts go through it, they are not going to look the same as the day it went together. You also claimed we put fake Garrett turbos on your car, again I told you call our distributor he will verify it.
C) You did not take your car out of our shop as described. There was not a SINGLE leak on the vehicle. The primary injector you say was stuck open was cleaned by TPI several months before and had been since then on your old engine. Again we have receipts. We never got to tuning the car, we drove it a mere two miles. You were the one who had to pull the car out asap. Then you did a manual swap on it, and according to you had another shop work on the vehicle. You claimed a front main seal was changed. I asked you if they held in the clutch while doing this, then later told me you lied about it to test me. So what can we really believe about what happened?
D). We put new coated bearings in the engine, we even hand clearanced these on our lathe. Went to great lengths on this motor for you. We told you to put 2000 miles on it without boost and drop the oil at 20 miles and every 500 after. You told me you got the car running then not much longer after you were at 20psi, and as high as 22psi. You told me it was running great, and had a ton of power, and spool was incredible. You admitted you did not follow our break-in procedure, because the last motor only did 500 before WOT. Last motor had used bearings.
E) You tuned the car yourself. I asked you how you tuned it. You told me 12AFR, pump gas, with the water alcohol removed. I told you that was way too much for 20psi.
F) you told me there was a problem that the engine had, and you continued to drive it, and you had to drive it floored for it to move. That is negligence on your part.
So in summary you did not follow our break-in procedure, you tuned it poorly, you kept on driving when you knew there was a problem, you claimed another shop removed the front bolt, and you tore the engine apart. All void the warranty.
And STILL we said we would help you, but you want your money back. We cannot pay for your mistakes. I can go on and on, but I have other things to do right now. We also have a great reputation, and many can attest to that.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...&ref=fbx_album
everyone look at that bridgeporting job are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10-01-10, 10:30 PM
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why did we go dyno tune my car at fat performance if you didnt say that the car was done elliot. If i have to get a written statement from the owner of fat performance i will.
10-01-10, 11:35 PM
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ye i get where you're coming from man
but u gota see it from the general amount of people who get on this forum's view...i'm searching through this forum probably 6 or 7 times a day killing time between classes and such cus im in college...and if this hadnt gone into a much more viewed section like this then i would never have seen it and would never have known about this elliot guy
so ye i understand what you mean...but i appreciate him posting in one the most viewed sections...
but u gota see it from the general amount of people who get on this forum's view...i'm searching through this forum probably 6 or 7 times a day killing time between classes and such cus im in college...and if this hadnt gone into a much more viewed section like this then i would never have seen it and would never have known about this elliot guy
so ye i understand what you mean...but i appreciate him posting in one the most viewed sections...
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That's if this is "true". The reason that we have the "good bad" section is so that these things can be worked out and discussed by BOTH parties, IN THAT SECTION.
As a business owner, I am always a little skeptical of things lke this because I know how things get blown out of porportion... Don't get me wrong, I don't know either party and I would like nothing more than for the truth to come out and have light shed on it.
-J
As a business owner, I am always a little skeptical of things lke this because I know how things get blown out of porportion... Don't get me wrong, I don't know either party and I would like nothing more than for the truth to come out and have light shed on it.
-J
10-02-10, 07:51 AM
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Here's a question then...
Which one of you two is lying about the coating?
Turblown, your pics of coated irons do not at all look like the pics that amunoz3 has posted. And lets get real--even though a chewed bearing wont show any coating, NOTHING AT ALL ON HIS ENGINE shows any coating. I see only two possibilities here.....either you did not use these coated parts in his engine and charged him for them anyways, or his pics show a different engine. Are you trying to tell me that he took pics of someone else's engine and claimed it was the one you built???
This guy spent a LOT of money at your shop. Merely saying "he knows they were coated, he saw the parts before we built the motor" doesnt cut it. I see the pics too that you posted, so clearly you had possession of coated parts....how does that guarantee that THOSE are the parts that you used on this build?
Here's the thing--because of standard warranty stipulations with basically all engine builders, a customer NEVER knows what they truly got because if they crack open the engine it voids the warranty. In my mind, the burden of proof is solely on your shoulders, as the shop that charged money for this work, to prove what actually went into that motor. Something clearly does not add up here....there isnt one speck of coating visible on any of his parts! When asked about it, you talked about a chewed bearing.....fine, but what about THE WHOLE REST OF THE MOTOR?
There had better be a really good explanation why those parts are not coated.
Which one of you two is lying about the coating?
Turblown, your pics of coated irons do not at all look like the pics that amunoz3 has posted. And lets get real--even though a chewed bearing wont show any coating, NOTHING AT ALL ON HIS ENGINE shows any coating. I see only two possibilities here.....either you did not use these coated parts in his engine and charged him for them anyways, or his pics show a different engine. Are you trying to tell me that he took pics of someone else's engine and claimed it was the one you built???
This guy spent a LOT of money at your shop. Merely saying "he knows they were coated, he saw the parts before we built the motor" doesnt cut it. I see the pics too that you posted, so clearly you had possession of coated parts....how does that guarantee that THOSE are the parts that you used on this build?
Here's the thing--because of standard warranty stipulations with basically all engine builders, a customer NEVER knows what they truly got because if they crack open the engine it voids the warranty. In my mind, the burden of proof is solely on your shoulders, as the shop that charged money for this work, to prove what actually went into that motor. Something clearly does not add up here....there isnt one speck of coating visible on any of his parts! When asked about it, you talked about a chewed bearing.....fine, but what about THE WHOLE REST OF THE MOTOR?
There had better be a really good explanation why those parts are not coated.
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I get that it's not "convenient" for you, but the fact is, it is YOUR responsibility to do your own research on whatever shop you plan to have work done by. If you bring it to someone who has a "bad" name and you didn't know it because it was posted in a section that YOU don't frequent, then you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Also take pictures of the apex seals. Make sure to throw the oil cooler away don't do what I did and try to clean it out only to end up screwing another motor.
10-02-10, 10:16 AM
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We thought it was done at the time? This was a year ago. Who could have known the turbos were going to surge? Its not like you were charged for our time or the dyno time. After that we changed the intercooler setup and according to you things had improved. How could we have known things were going to be a problem at 20psi? You told me just last week about this problem, and I said maybe changing the turbine housings would help.
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10-02-10, 10:19 AM
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whats coated???????????? looooookkkk attt the pics!!!!!!!!!! you tuned it with a stuck open injector and you kept trying and trying and trying i had to find it my ******* self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it had 70 compression on both rotors when i took it from your shop elliot
everyone look at that bridgeporting job are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
everyone look at that bridgeporting job are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10-02-10, 10:24 AM
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I am a business owner aswell and if you ask anyone who knows either my car or me in person i actually had let elliot go in a lot and i mean in a lot of bad situations. im so tired of it now, the only reason i stayed is because there isnt much rotary shops here in az that appear to have reliable work but i actually trusted elliot not only as my rx7 mechanic but as a friend aswell. I did actually pick my car up not running on a tow truck with parts on the bottom completely off bumper was not even attached i had him hand me screws and put it in a seperate box. I didnt even want my intercooler back from him because just looking at it is going to remember how bad i got screwed over. For it to come down to this dude is like wow i have no choice if i have to loose 10k of what i lost to save someone else i would do it in an instant. I had to do the manual swap myself because elliot wanted to charge me 2k dollars to just install the manual swap with me buying all my parts and elliot said it has to be done there is not way around it. If i did do my manual swap through elliot not only would he have a secret 500 dollar charge after its done but he would have said my whole car needs to be cut in half and it needs to be reinstalled it will cost 4k to do it aswell. he says he cut me a great deal on the engine well when someone has given you like 60k to build an rx7, why would you not jump to do it?
We have made right on every situation where something was wrong. For example old leaking oil pan on a previous motor, brought in fixed right away no charge. What about taking the transmission in and out for only $150? How about when the water alcohol kit we put in had a bad pump? Pump replaced by us for free, and we were never able to warranty that pump from the manufacturer. We never charged you a dollar to tune your car either, which happened many times over the past few years. Also another way we made progress on the turbo kit was linking the wastegates together, again no charge. On top of this we did not charge to removed or install this past engine. I can go on for a long time.
10-02-10, 10:29 AM
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Here's a question then...
Which one of you two is lying about the coating?
Turblown, your pics of coated irons do not at all look like the pics that amunoz3 has posted. And lets get real--even though a chewed bearing wont show any coating, NOTHING AT ALL ON HIS ENGINE shows any coating. I see only two possibilities here.....either you did not use these coated parts in his engine and charged him for them anyways, or his pics show a different engine. Are you trying to tell me that he took pics of someone else's engine and claimed it was the one you built???
This guy spent a LOT of money at your shop. Merely saying "he knows they were coated, he saw the parts before we built the motor" doesnt cut it. I see the pics too that you posted, so clearly you had possession of coated parts....how does that guarantee that THOSE are the parts that you used on this build?
Here's the thing--because of standard warranty stipulations with basically all engine builders, a customer NEVER knows what they truly got because if they crack open the engine it voids the warranty. In my mind, the burden of proof is solely on your shoulders, as the shop that charged money for this work, to prove what actually went into that motor. Something clearly does not add up here....there isnt one speck of coating visible on any of his parts! When asked about it, you talked about a chewed bearing.....fine, but what about THE WHOLE REST OF THE MOTOR?
There had better be a really good explanation why those parts are not coated.
Which one of you two is lying about the coating?
Turblown, your pics of coated irons do not at all look like the pics that amunoz3 has posted. And lets get real--even though a chewed bearing wont show any coating, NOTHING AT ALL ON HIS ENGINE shows any coating. I see only two possibilities here.....either you did not use these coated parts in his engine and charged him for them anyways, or his pics show a different engine. Are you trying to tell me that he took pics of someone else's engine and claimed it was the one you built???
This guy spent a LOT of money at your shop. Merely saying "he knows they were coated, he saw the parts before we built the motor" doesnt cut it. I see the pics too that you posted, so clearly you had possession of coated parts....how does that guarantee that THOSE are the parts that you used on this build?
Here's the thing--because of standard warranty stipulations with basically all engine builders, a customer NEVER knows what they truly got because if they crack open the engine it voids the warranty. In my mind, the burden of proof is solely on your shoulders, as the shop that charged money for this work, to prove what actually went into that motor. Something clearly does not add up here....there isnt one speck of coating visible on any of his parts! When asked about it, you talked about a chewed bearing.....fine, but what about THE WHOLE REST OF THE MOTOR?
There had better be a really good explanation why those parts are not coated.
If he wants to send the Apex seals to ALS, they will tell you they are their seals.
I agree no customer knows what they are truly getting. The only way we prove this is a good running engine, that lasts and makes a lot of power. This is generally why we always break-in and tune all the engines we build. No figuring pointing this way.
Another point about the fuel lines, the fuel system was built a year ago. The car had been running previously on this setup without leaks, we checked all of this several times! After the car left here he installed an E11. To even take off the UIM the way this fuel system was setup you had to undue two lines.
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10-02-10, 10:43 AM
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Shut up about being your responsible crap when the shop did intented to screw amunoz3. Looking at the porting tells you what kind of shop this guy is running. I don't know the shop nor care, this is why we got alot of LSX swapper because of shop like this.
Also take pictures of the apex seals. Make sure to throw the oil cooler away don't do what I did and try to clean it out only to end up screwing another motor.
Also take pictures of the apex seals. Make sure to throw the oil cooler away don't do what I did and try to clean it out only to end up screwing another motor.
Also, the reason there are so many v8 fds is because there are a lot morons that own them solely for their looks. And don't have a CLUE as to what they have, so when something rotary relayed fails (9 out 10 times its due to the owner) they immediately take the easy road and go Ls.
I stated before, I do not know either party nor am o taking sides, so don't get it twisted. I will say, that if the pictures are true images of his engine then there are quite a few things to be answered...
10-02-10, 11:07 AM
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Hey bud, do us all a favor and state your incorrect opinion without telling me to "shut up"...
Also, the reason there are so many v8 fds is because there are a lot morons that own them solely for their looks. And don't have a CLUE as to what they have, so when something rotary relayed fails (9 out 10 times its due to the owner) they immediately take the easy road and go Ls.
I stated before, I do not know either party nor am o taking sides, so don't get it twisted. I will say, that if the pictures are true images of his engine then there are quite a few things to be answered...
Also, the reason there are so many v8 fds is because there are a lot morons that own them solely for their looks. And don't have a CLUE as to what they have, so when something rotary relayed fails (9 out 10 times its due to the owner) they immediately take the easy road and go Ls.
I stated before, I do not know either party nor am o taking sides, so don't get it twisted. I will say, that if the pictures are true images of his engine then there are quite a few things to be answered...
10-02-10, 11:34 AM
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James,
I dislike cluttering this thread up as it is taking away from the situation that needs to be handled...basically a Mod such as RX7Roller02 handling the dispute between the 2 parties. I'm hoping he will warn everyone that bans are forthcoming if they do not stay out of the thread from here on.
James, I believe if you go back and reread what Gorilla said, he was not defending the shop. He was replying to another poster who considered it inconvenient that he had to actually come to the Bad Guy section to see this sort of thing. Where Gorilla was absolutely correct is that as a buyer...you, me, ANYONE...it is OUR responsibility to research who will work on our cars or for that matter do business with in any aspect of life...before making a commitment. Caveat Emptor...Buyer Beware.
AMunoz even states several times that he has felt screwed (rightfully or wrongly I do not know) by the shop but still continued to do business with them. Honestly, why even bring up the rotary vs piston argument? That was just silly and as there are more piston engines in the world, there are more dishonest piston mechanics. Trying to bring rotary vs piston into this is a bit silly, wouldn't you agree?
I'd like to suggest that you re-read the post that Gorilla was replying to, then Gorilla's response, and then perhaps realize you misinterpreted and overreacted. Might even want to offer an apology to Gorilla but that is really on you as a man to show what type of person you are.
With that being said, hopefully ALL of us can stay out of the thread and allow the Mods to handle the issue.
I dislike cluttering this thread up as it is taking away from the situation that needs to be handled...basically a Mod such as RX7Roller02 handling the dispute between the 2 parties. I'm hoping he will warn everyone that bans are forthcoming if they do not stay out of the thread from here on.
James, I believe if you go back and reread what Gorilla said, he was not defending the shop. He was replying to another poster who considered it inconvenient that he had to actually come to the Bad Guy section to see this sort of thing. Where Gorilla was absolutely correct is that as a buyer...you, me, ANYONE...it is OUR responsibility to research who will work on our cars or for that matter do business with in any aspect of life...before making a commitment. Caveat Emptor...Buyer Beware.
AMunoz even states several times that he has felt screwed (rightfully or wrongly I do not know) by the shop but still continued to do business with them. Honestly, why even bring up the rotary vs piston argument? That was just silly and as there are more piston engines in the world, there are more dishonest piston mechanics. Trying to bring rotary vs piston into this is a bit silly, wouldn't you agree?
I'd like to suggest that you re-read the post that Gorilla was replying to, then Gorilla's response, and then perhaps realize you misinterpreted and overreacted. Might even want to offer an apology to Gorilla but that is really on you as a man to show what type of person you are.
With that being said, hopefully ALL of us can stay out of the thread and allow the Mods to handle the issue.
10-02-10, 01:03 PM
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I reread this thread. You are confusing people here. We never tuned this new engine, never put more than two miles on it. You are speaking about an older engine we fixed & tuned, that was run hard for over a year and half with an apexi single turbo system @ 16psi.
I also missed the part about your front bumper that was done over a year ago. When you picked the car up running on the older engine I asked you about the new intercooler setup. You said you loved it, and it looked very aggressive. You are now just bringing to light problems you have had. How could we possible know you were upset about things if you hadn't brought them up? How could we fix anything if we had no idea?
Well before this thread was started I said we would still help you with the motor, you declined said you didn't trust us anymore. I offered this and many other possibilities because we felt bad for you, not responsible for the blown engine. I have put myself in your situation many times, I understand all you want is a very fast car, you have paid a lot over the years and you still don't have it. I also told you I would give you a single turbo manifold and down pipe because you wanted to go single. This was a few days ago.
If you search on name on this forum you will not find a single bad thing mentioned about us. For example;
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=turblown
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=turblown
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=turblown
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...wn+performance
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Andrew,
We have made right on every situation where something was wrong. For example old leaking oil pan on a previous motor, brought in fixed right away no charge. What about taking the transmission in and out for only $150? How about when the water alcohol kit we put in had a bad pump? Pump replaced by us for free, and we were never able to warranty that pump from the manufacturer. We never charged you a dollar to tune your car either, which happened many times over the past few years. Also another way we made progress on the turbo kit was linking the wastegates together, again no charge. On top of this we did not charge to removed or install this past engine. I can go on for a long time.
We have made right on every situation where something was wrong. For example old leaking oil pan on a previous motor, brought in fixed right away no charge. What about taking the transmission in and out for only $150? How about when the water alcohol kit we put in had a bad pump? Pump replaced by us for free, and we were never able to warranty that pump from the manufacturer. We never charged you a dollar to tune your car either, which happened many times over the past few years. Also another way we made progress on the turbo kit was linking the wastegates together, again no charge. On top of this we did not charge to removed or install this past engine. I can go on for a long time.
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I reread this thread. You are confusing people here. We never tuned this new engine, never put more than two miles on it. You are speaking about an older engine we fixed & tuned, that was run hard for over a year and half with an apexi single turbo system @ 16psi.
I also missed the part about your front bumper that was done over a year ago. When you picked the car up running on the older engine I asked you about the new intercooler setup. You said you loved it, and it looked very aggressive. You are now just bringing to light problems you have had. How could we possible know you were upset about things if you hadn't brought them up? How could we fix anything if we had no idea?
Well before this thread was started I said we would still help you with the motor, you declined said you didn't trust us anymore. I offered this and many other possibilities because we felt bad for you, not responsible for the blown engine. I have put myself in your situation many times, I understand all you want is a very fast car, you have paid a lot over the years and you still don't have it. I also told you I would give you a single turbo manifold and down pipe because you wanted to go single. This was a few days ago.
If you search on name on this forum you will not find a single bad thing mentioned about us. For example;
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=turblown
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=turblown
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=turblown
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...wn+performance
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...wn+performance
I also missed the part about your front bumper that was done over a year ago. When you picked the car up running on the older engine I asked you about the new intercooler setup. You said you loved it, and it looked very aggressive. You are now just bringing to light problems you have had. How could we possible know you were upset about things if you hadn't brought them up? How could we fix anything if we had no idea?
Well before this thread was started I said we would still help you with the motor, you declined said you didn't trust us anymore. I offered this and many other possibilities because we felt bad for you, not responsible for the blown engine. I have put myself in your situation many times, I understand all you want is a very fast car, you have paid a lot over the years and you still don't have it. I also told you I would give you a single turbo manifold and down pipe because you wanted to go single. This was a few days ago.
If you search on name on this forum you will not find a single bad thing mentioned about us. For example;
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=turblown
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=turblown
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=turblown
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...wn+performance
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...wn+performance
heres my explanation about the bumper........ i havent seen my car literally for so many months just a about a year. so to me that front bumper seems like i just got it done yesterday. When i was working on the car i took out the front bumper and dropped it man and i couldnt believe how my front frame was cut it looks like chainsaw massacre wanted to salvage title my car. I have to find a body shop now to put that back together and paint it. if i knew you would have to cut my car like that before you did the work i would have been like hell no dont do it.