TrboSpdAnt

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So... How much money did you actually give this guy? I don't care if it's 8 bucks, 800 bucks or 8-THOUSAND bucks. A company should always provide a receipt for services rendered.

I own a web- and graphic-design company and I can account for client's receipts dating back to '02.

It's one way or the other: Either he didn't give you receipts because he didn't want any accountability for work he did, or the IRS needs to pay them a visit.

amunoz3

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I have a lot of proof that i paid him paypal. but it was always for more than 1 thing done at the same time so its chunks of money every once in awhile. Im starting to think he didnt want the accountability for the work he did. i also paid him check sometimes. most of the time it was cash now i feel like i should have known why.

Rbkouki

iTrader: (2)

Under the table work is always done in shops (however small the amount) and this thread is a perfect example of why its never a good idea. If and when **** goes wrong everyone loses, especially the business owners if the tax man gets involved.

I learned this lesson on the "vehicle owners" side myself so in other words I feel your pain.

rx7roller02

Well then, go have a talk with those people and tell them that they need to man up and speak up in here about this. It doesnt do any good to say "other people are complaining about your work too" like this. If there is a pattern from this shop of things done wrong, then those people need to speak up and get it out in the open. And they had better be prepared to provide details to prove their point as well.

amunoz3

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okay ill convince a few close rx7 people that i know to say a few words. A local rx7 buddy of mine chris has had a few issues with elliot. He had his fuel system built by elliot with the id2000 secondaries same fuel system as me. Elliot loaded my tuned map to chris's power fc. Well the secondaries were not coming online so he could not rev past 3k rpms-bottom line...... elliot let him drive the car home like that.

rotary4life12

5 years ago elliot screwed me over, charged me 8 thousand dollars for just a mild streetported engine and internals were stock. He installed a fmic and did the piping for me aswell, elliot installed my fmic upside down which i could not stand how retarded it looked. It took him 8 months to complete the job but thats only because i had to show up many times just to move his *** and get the job done.

When the car was complete i had driven the car to tucson and i cannot believe that i actually made it. Oil was gushing all over the place, coolant hoses were loose and causing a big mess. Luckily i had found a great mechanic in tucson that could fix all the problems and mount the fmic in the proper position. I also had the mechanic in tucson manual swap my car and install a power fc.

Elliot claims that i still owe him 2 thousand dollars for installing the front mount intercooler, hmmmm i let all of you be the judge on that one. I always paid elliot upfront on everything but at that point i never came back to his shop again. some of those cars that are in his shop is something that he has been working on for years doing the same thing since i first walked in 5 years ago.

I helped Andrew take the engine apart I was there to confront Elliot about this engine situation. Unfortunately im no longer allowed on his property LOL because he knows everything i told him was true. My name is Miro lol Elliot definitely knows who i am.

Rbkouki

iTrader: (2)

Damn this sounds like the same place that ran a game on me (aka the shop aka rhombus tuning aka yellow munson tuning aka scott onishi in kingsport tn aka "the scam" or "the con" as I call them). Its crazy how every professional shade tree tuner has the exact same Modus Operandi.

The game shops usually play is to completely discredit anyone who speaks negatively about their work, despite any and all proof provided. They start by letting everyone know how dishonest we the paying customers are, then on to phase 2 they have all their cronies log on to said forum and post up "Oh ive had the best work done by said shop, never had any problems" This also helps to take away from the credibility of whoever the victim is. Then the Shop in question stops posting up anything at all and continues to do business as usual as before long the issue at hand is completely swept under the metaphorical rug.

Ive learned that the difference between a professional and an amateur is a when an issue arises a professional asks how they can make it right, and amateur stands back and points the finger around passing blame.

unfortunately this is a lose-lose situation in just about every case. The only way to really get any sort of compensation (whether it be parts money or labor) is through litigation (like someone else mentioned), even if you have no receipts if you have proof through witnesses or some sort of bank statements or paper trails then you may have something.

Its even more unfortunate that bad businesses keep on doing business,,,, badly. Lucky for them most people dont research businesses before dishing out that money, and even more so most bad businesses require payment up front, which pretty much guarantees your gonna get screwed unless you really take special care to cover your ***.

In the end just have peace in mind knowing they will never get a red cent of your money again and use this as a learning lesson to avoid traveling down this road again.

TrboSpdAnt

iTrader: (5)

As unfortunate as all of this is to hear, I can't FATHOM paying someone to do some of this work... I mean, c'mon: 800 bucks for an intercooler install? Two-THOUSAND!? WTF!?

How can ANY shop justify that kind of billing?

I installed a Stage 3 turbo upgrade w/ top-feed intercooler and a dual-fan radiator, on an MR2, several years ago... Minus parts the labor bill was STILL under a thousand!

This is by no means trying to justify the shop dropping a big one off, in your ***, but if anyone ever quoted me a cost like that I'd laugh at them, straight-away...

I've had track-prepped engines cost less, at the machine shop; headwork, boring, etc.

amunoz3

iTrader: (2)

a pic that elliot took himself you can see the cuts where the piping goes over the radiator. it looks a lot worse with out an intercooler but my friend still has not had time to come and take pics with his good camera.

amunoz3

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oh and incase you are wondering my battery is not out of the way. elliot charges 800 bucks to relocate the battery to the back.

rotaryinspired

iTrader: (3)

Wow,

There is no way I would accept anyone cutting the reinforcement bar there. The hood latches on it and its there for stability of the front end, not to mention if you were in a wreck. There are too many good options out there besides cutting up a car. Good news is that a good welder can weld in another support if you can cut one out of another car.

One of the other shocking things is that the photos of Turblown's ported plates in his photo album pictures look nothing like what has been represented in this thread. I don't care who you are you cannot take pride in what the pictured ports look like. I would be very upset as a customer seeing that as it doesn't take very long to rough cut the ports, but it does take much more time to shape and smooth them out. The HBP looks like it was done in a hurry to me.

Good luck getting it straightened out.

The sad thing is that both people loose in this situation.

amunoz3

iTrader: (2)

I am trying to come to an agreement with elliot and hes not getting back to me :/

dregg100

iTrader: (34)

i hate to break it to you guys, but that bar that is cut is not structural at all. and like mentioned above, it can easily be replaced. and thats what you get for getting an ets front mount.

this is just turning into mud slinging online, why dont you guys settle this like men off the ******* internet and then report back with the details? one of you, or both of you are lying. i dont really care who it is, but this is retarded. and remember, karma is a BITCH if you are the dishonest one.

ps, let me know if you wanna sell the shell...lol

amunoz3

iTrader: (2)

i told elliot i wanted a front mount..... he went and got an ets kit. i didnt get the ets and took it to his shop to put it on.

i wanted to settle like men off the internet...... but he just doesnt want to.

hell no im not selling my shell. ive got so much money into this car.

and yes THAT BAR IS STRUCTURAL...... you must not even own an fd.

i know im not worried about karma.

Rob XX 7

iTrader: (8)

concerning the $800 battery relocation, I know it takes a good amount of time to take the interior apart back there, combine that with heavy cables, terminals, and he probably wanted to make a custom mount and or box and I can see it adding up

Things certainly dont seem right, I have never used elliot for any work but I do know him from the boards since 2001, I aint saying he is all right but he cant be all wrong either.
Combine that with the mob mentality and things certainly get ugly

amunoz3

iTrader: (2)

id like to see you go through what i went through and see if your not going to have a mob mentality. there is a reason why i am complaining. You think i like wasting my time writing **** about him?
i understand your taking his side because your buddy buddy, have him work on your car and do exactly what i have done.

hes not all wrong? pardon my french but are you ******* kidding me.

Rob XX 7

iTrader: (8)

I understand you are upset, but if all you are looking for is people to come here and say he is a scumbag and not listen to some other points of view then I dont know what to tell you.

I am not buddy buddy with him. What happened to you would never happen to me because I am involved 100% when my car is not in my possession.

I will not even get into all the details of your ordeal, the motor internals and tuning are 2 different stories so you guys need to work that out between you, somewhere between your story and his story is the truth.

Your car sitting there a year- dont know how that happened but you are telling me you did not KNOW your car was outside uncovered? It was a surprise to you a year later?
You say comments like you see cars there that have been sitting- every single shop I have ever dealt with has cars that are always there, who knows the story behind them? I have seen cars sit in shops for 2-3 years that look like they are 99% done but what the heck do I know?

Other items like your car getting cut up- I would have been there wayyyy before the sawsall came out and went over the details as to what was going on and maybe came up with a different plan. Otherwise I would be fuming if my car got cut up without my knowledge.

Using your car as a "test bed" for a turbo kit- that is what happens when you want to be the "first", when you want what no one else has guess what? Your car is the guinea pig.


Enough PMs, enough emails, no texts- go and settle this face to face.

And Elliot if you are reading this you need to do the same, dont think this will get swept under the rug do the right thing and enough of this who is right and who is wrong finger pointing.

amunoz3

iTrader: (2)

If i wanted my car to be a guinea pig i could have done the work myself. people have made these turbo kits work i am not the first one.

No i did not know the car was being parked outside. the whole year when he should be working on my car, it should never be parked outside his shop is decent size with lifts. Elliot never left it outside the first 2 years so i never expected it to happen the last 3rd year.

In his mind he is not wrong about anything at all not one bit and you expect me not to come at him like hes a scumbag? he does not even want to make an agreement not even with this unfinished turbo kit that he tried to make it work like a million times.

He doesnt even allow people to be there while he is working on your car so how can you be there when he is about to cut your car? you wouldnt even know anything about this. its not like hes going to tell you either.

Rob XX 7

iTrader: (8)

I do know that no one would cut my car without pointing and SHOWING me where it will be cut.

Where were the year your car was there? Do you live far away from the shop that you did not stop in once during that year time frame?

I am not here to argue with you, I hope you guys can settle this and move on.

amunoz3

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I dont live far away and i would not mind stopping by...... Elliot goes out of town A LOT. Whats the point of me stopping by? He always claims to be busy picking up and shipping stuff outside of the shop. If i text him or call him he doesnt answer and calls back way later times. My car was there all this year. and seriously...... he didnt even ask me if i wanted to cut my car otherwise he would be posting all over the forum trying to prove that he did. he only made a very non convincing statement but he cannot say....... oh hey I DID ASK YOU AND YOU SAID YES!........... because of course that would be a lie and he knows it.

JustJeff

iTrader: (13)

If you two can't come to an agreement and no one is budging all i can see left to do is get lawyers and let the court work it out....

amunoz3

iTrader: (2)

yea i already gave my lawyer the go ahead.

BigTurbo74

iTrader: (4)

I like how you use a photo that doesn't show the bracing that Elliot put on your car too( for the FMIC install). You are being very deceitful. I have never seen him charge more than $200 to put a radiator in, which has been several cars. Your buddy Miro is also to be a very well known liar around this state. Besides that the previous owner of your car put that hood on, and it was pretty well beat up from being slammed down, and your car has always looked " pink ".

There are also a lot of people coming forward in the good business section sticking up for him. Pretty hard for a shop to be very busy in this bad economy if they aren't doing good work.

BigTurbo74

iTrader: (4)

I found this photo on another forum showing the bracing.

http://www.nopistons.com/forums/topi..._1#entry933429

amunoz3

iTrader: (2)

OH WOW THAT BRACING WOW THAT MEANS I AM NOW GOING TO BE SAFE IF I GET IN A WRECK WOW............. yea he put braces on that **** it looks ghetto as hell too. i dont care about the bracing the fact is that he cut my car without asking me thats the whole point. Look he was stating on that no pistons forum saying that he should be done with my twin turbos LOL....... hmmm so sad never even finished.