amunoz3

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also too how did you not tune my new engine? if a rotary goes from a streetport to a bridgeport definitely tuning has to be done or how is it going to work? you even said oh man i had to retard the timing in order for it to run right this and that, this and that. and at that point you should have caught my leaking fuel injector.

Turblown

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My definition of tuned is a completed tune; idle, driveability, cruise, every boost cell. All we adjusted was idle, and there was other problems. I proved for free that your wiring harness wires were broken to your idle control motor, and you are right we did not know the injector was stuck open. Those iron coatings have to wear down before you can really start to tune, as they keep on fouling plugs. We pulled the uim and the lim runners were coated from reversion. All the plugs looked the same and we tested the secondary and made sure the other connectors were all in the right place. We did not get to finish anything Andrew. Why would we spend a lot of time trimming the bumper properly if we had to move back to the other intercooler? As I said we weren't done, you came in and towed your car out. I am sorry it has come to this, we are still willing to help you with free labor. The motor would have been fixable if you wouldn't have tossed it loosely in the back of the truck and let your buddy toss the rotors against the bed. I also told you we would give you your old set of streetported irons if you wanted them instead of the BP.

just startn

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i just read all of this...nothing out of the ordinary as 2 ppl arguing....but this was the biggest eye catcher

Now, the tranny you told me that a 3k stall converter will work with the bridgeport engine. so we had to wait a while so this peice gets custom made and it was costing me 1k. The part came in and it completely did not even work there was no way to drive this car home. You then told me, we need to go back to streetport i will only charge you 1k to go back to streetport or we have to manual swap the car then the car will work. If i wanted to do any experimentation on this car with knowing hmmm will this part work? or that part? i could have done all this myself and not have to pay you to do experimentation. I pay for something i expect for it to be done once and its over when a shop does it

WTF...explain that....

amunoz3

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yes elliot please explain it.

amunoz3

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everyone please look at the pics and tell me if any of this is fixable (engine wise) please. or maybe it is in elliots view which is probably why this happened to me anyways. how can i just keep giving elliot thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to get absolutely no where thats the only thing that i dont understand.

Elliot i cant believe your uncle lets you work at his shop but judging how he was acting when i came to confront you about this, he taught you everything he knows thats for sure. That yellow lambo customer probably got tired of putting money into the car that he forgot about it and let it go and it cant even run.

rx7roller02

So then explain to me why you said this earlier about the bearings:

If being a wear surface alone is enough for the coating to have worn off by now, why would the bearings have to be "chewed" and "mangled" for them to have no coating left on them. Arent they also wear surfaces too? If there is still coating left on the center irons, I would like to see that posted here.

Now, for some housekeeping...

Jamespond, you have come to me repeatedly asking for help over the years when someone didnt deliver as promised to you. I am not going to ask you to stay out of this thread....I'm TELLING you to stay out of this thread. The purpose here is not to bitch and moan at people, it is to resolve the issue. You have been involved in enough of these deals that you should know better than this. Stay out of this thread, please. The guy youre picking a fight with isnt even involved in this issue....and all youre doing is distracting from the point at hand. That goes for everyone that has ideas about coming in here and getting their panties in a bunch.

Wargasm

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amunoz3

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loosing sleep over this situation 5 am but heres what the doctor ordered

amunoz3

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Trimming the bumper properly? is that a nice way of saying cutting my bumper? my bumper is practically cut and the whole top supports stick out and you cant even open the hood with ease. no more trimming dont even say the word it brings chills to my spine. the front end without a bumper is something that will haunt me forever.


You want to give me my old street ported irons back from an engine that you blew and that never had good compression to begin with? what am i going to do with that?


Elliot you drove my car and boosted a few lbs of boost with the half bridgeport motor...... talk about breaking in an engine huh? you got stuck out on the street and a cop even had to help you out and made sure you got it back to the shop hmm i dont know sounds like street tuning to me.


last but not least we should start talking about my new pink chalk paint job from it sitting outside and my messed up egt gauge thats pretty expensive. geez it seems like the last time i seen the car was last years sevenstock and i couldnt make it this year sadly.


even some people from the local forum from last years sevenstock remembers my paint being in good condition

Omixeo

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Find someone with a decent camera and get some better pictures ;P.

KNONFS

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AGREE, also who did the bridge on that plate?

Turblown

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We found out Andrew put a stock FD flywheel on the engine when doing the manual swap. It was an auto when it left with a S4 T2 CW bolted to the flex plate. The engine internals are from an S4 T2. Unfortunately this led to a very unbalanced assembly and it blew the rear main bearing, from there it was downhill. Andrew has been over a few times since, and we have been helping him with our stash of used good parts.

amunoz3

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why the **** is there t2 parts in my fd when i only paid for 93 motor parts. first off........ you said it was the tuning........... then you said it was front engine parts............... then your saying its my flywheel. the used parts are all junk except for the rear main bearing. you gave me a housing that you say its in perfect condition with only about 1k miles and i will be posting pics of it tomorrow of the porting that was done on it LOL............. I keep giving you chances to redeem yourself elliot and seriously its getting old, old friend. all im asking for is a good engine and you cant even do it that. you give me a bad e shaft like its okay..... you tell me just get it polished. You know whats funny is that i was not even going to say something and he just had to say something LOL

amunoz3

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Elliot at turblown.

AaronJ

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Wow man sounds like you are having a hard time with turblown. I would like say that there is another good shop in town, az rotary rockets. I jus bougt my first 7 and glenn is a cool guy who dose good work. Take ur engine to him and see what he can do.

Elliot, I understand that some of this you may not agree with but I think u should try to get this off the main forum and try to help the guy. Nobody wants to see a buisness man argue with his customers on the internet.

BigJim

I think arguing about this on the internet is the only chance he has to save himself. He needs to be here to defend himself, as does the customer. And all the other forum members need to see this type of thing. Keeping it behind closed doors will only lead to others being hurt by Turblown, or amunoz harassing other companies. With a public debate just maybe the truth will come to light.

Suggesting that Elliot try to get this discussion out of the public eye seems very much like what governments do when they try to cover up mistakes.

AaronJ

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I didnt think about it like that hm. I guess its true cause i would now be hesitatn about going to turblown considering he is or was the second closest rotary specialist to where i live.

rx7roller02

Elliott,

I am beginning to feel more than a little bit played here, and I find myself not liking it very much.

It's time for a good explanation as to what exactly is going on here. Yesterday, you sent me a PM asking me to delete this thread. Here is the PM that you sent me:

NOW, please explain to me why just yesterday you would send me a PM making it sound like this was Andrew's fault? That he admitted to using the wrong flywheel, "among other things"? That you "sure dont deserve bad publicity"? It sounds to me as if you were just trying to make this thread go away quietly....so now why, if you "sure dont deserve any bad publicity", are we now seeing that you put S4 FC internals and other parts into a build that was supposed to only have FD parts? I am beginning to wonder what else you have not told us.....

Like I said, I'm feeling a bit like you tried to play me....and that doesnt sit real well round these parts. There had better be a very good explanation for this.

Turblown

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I most surely did not, if so I would not have even posted that information after you opened the thread. Of course I wanted this thread to go away, even wrongly accused press, is bad press.

I never told Andrew this engine had FD rotors, this engine had been in pieces, ready to assemble for years. Andrew never specified a single item in this engine, whether it be FD rotors, coated parts, ALS seals etc. It was all left to me to decided what was best for the motor. S4 t2 rotors had always been planned to be put in this engine, and he was made aware of previously. Appears he forgot, or never really understood. S4 t2 rotors are a common upgrade for high boost applications, I am not the only one doing this. S4 t2 rotors are 8.5:1 compression, much safer in my experience past 20psi, which this engine was intended to do.

Point is I never told him there was FD rotors inside. Why would I put the wrong rotors inside the engine? At the time the engine was built had several sets of both S4 t2, and FD rotors, all in good shape. Makes absolutely no sense.

Let me add to the point about the ALS seals since he accused me of putting in Atkins seals. His reasoning for saying I put atkins seals in is because someone told him that is what they looked like, and since he thought they were broken how could they be ALS( unbreakable). He didn't know they were a 2 piece design and assumed they were broken. Only thing I can think of is someone saw atkins solid corner seals and made that assumption. Regardless I didn't lie about ANYTHING being put in this engine, and I have NEVER done that in almost 10 years of building engines.

Andrew came to my shop the day of me sending that PM, he told me he closed the thread before he got there, and he did. He wasn't acting pist, we were talking again and I was giving him some parts. I mentioned the flywheel issue, and he gave me the impression he knew he was wrong. He had planned on coming back again for more parts. I guess I made the wrong assumption.

I have attached a few photos so you ALL can see what I have been talking about. Again nothing to hide.

Turblown

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Andrew,

Like I said I never in any way shape or form led you to believe there was FD rotors in this engine. You are correct first I did say it was the tune, I didn't get to look at the engine that close, and I didn't take it apart. What I did see was cracked spark plug holes, and you later told me you were running 9s all the way around. A common mistake, you can't just upgrade the L only holes, especially as high as 22psi. Also you texted me you took out the water alcohol and were at 12AFR on the wideband at 20psi, on pump gas. That is WAY too lean, and will blow a motor. Of course I would suspect a pinched front spacer too, you told me another shop did the front main seal, and when I asked if they held in the clutch you couldn't tell me a straight answer. If you let the spacer drop it will ruin an engine. So now when it comes to light that the wrong flywheel was used, of course that is part of the problem!

Now if we took apart the engine and found the spacer not pinched, I would have never brought up the spacer possibility.

Onfcourse I am going to say something here Andrew. I am trying to undue all this slander.

Here are the pictures of the crack spark plug holes on this engine, and the coating not all the way worn down to the pours. This is the engine in question.
I have never led anyone to believe that after you open a coated running engine it is going to look the same as it did when it was assembled( speaking of a correctly running engine here).

amunoz3

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hell no i was ignoring you completely when you were telling me about the flywheel and i never agreed or nodded. I am not taking advice from you elliot...... period........ I didnt come to talk i closed the thread because i seriously thought you were going to help me and ofcourse you gave me crappy parts so i can blow another engine. If you want moderator i can post pictures of his so called used parts and i will let you be the judge in clearing that up. I still dont see any coating on that peice but he might have put some smudges to try and save his business. OUT OF RESPECT OF KNOWING THAT I WAS GOING TO GET HELP I CLOSED THE THREAD WHO ELSE WOULD DO THAT???? I am not trying to harass any business unless i had reason too. I only had elliot work on my car since i bought it 3 years ago and this is the first business i ever had to complain about in my life.

amunoz3

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what ever this guy said on this post, dont believe it or maybe you should if you like blown engines and lying.

lol you inspected all my spacers and you found nothing wrong with anything. i dont know how to tune nor can i ever try because i dont know what im doing with that. Elliot your not the tuner i dont know how you got 12 afr. cracked spark plug holes is there but not from the spark plugs it was getting way to hot on that engine from the bearings were crapped. i asked elliot about the engine getting way hot, and he said oh thats normal on a bridgeported engine dont worry about it the idle at 2k rpms is going to get really hot even when i explained that it was hot while cruising.

amunoz3

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i never agreed upon t2 parts. I didnt leave the engine for you to build to put whatever you want elliot. If you told me you were putting t2 parts in my engine i would of been like no way absolutely no way.

amunoz3

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Elliot knew the engine was being built for horsepower then why did he install 9s all the way around to begin with? if my plugs were 10s or higher i would have been glad to install those plugs no problem. Take a look at how elliots coatings are suppose to look like........... http://www.turblown.net/coat.html

rx7roller02

well, elliott, first off, I didnt reopen this thread. If you do not know something, it is better to not speak.

Second, he brings up a good point.....you say that 9's are a mistake, and yet you installed them in his engine?

Third, your own website says that the coating penetrates the metal and that the coatings last indefinitely....and while I dont expect the coating to look like brand new, I dont expect the entire surface to be stripped of a coating that "is impossible to extract from the metal", as your website says.

--"Impossible to extract from the surface"
--"will last indefinitely"

And yet, after a short amount of time the entire coating is gone?

Then, there is the issue of the extreme heat he was finding. If he told you that, and you said it was normal with a BP, AND WITH A COATED MOTOR THAT IS SUPPOSED TO "DRAMATICALLY REDUCE HEAT", something isnt right.

And to top it all off, there is still the issue of the BP, no porting work should ever look like that.