Sounds like my FD.

 

right. 10k buys an FD that is likely close to death, and in need of lots of TLC.

 

I hear this never let a tow truck jump your *insert car here* claim from time to time. I have no idea how this can be true. Your car must have been jumped incorrectly. I've jumped an NSX before. 3 years later it's fine. The battery was replaced shortly after I jumped it.

A friend of mine leased a SAAB 9-3 last year. he left the interior light on for about a week (buisness trip) and the battery died. The dealer says OMG DON'T JUMP IT!!! they wanted to flatbed the car back to the dealership to replace the battery. WTF? I jumped that too. he was driving again in 10 minutes. still has the same battery.

This claim is about as ridiculous as the myth that leaving a battery on a cement floor will ruin it. Nonsense.

 

I'd stick with the FD over an NSX unless you can afford a newer style one.

 

didn't read the whole thread but here is my opinion on a NSX.
you get accord reliability with better looks and performance, can't ask for a better combination.

Modding a NSX is expensive though. Just get a 94+ so you don't have problem with the tranny.

One of the reason why they cost so much is because I believe they were build by hand + the use of Titanium. But not saying that it wasn't overpriced.

 

Dealer Nello Acura and every thread about the climate control went out check nsxprime is from jumping the BATTERY in the front of the car. That's why Honda made special jump points at the main fuse box in the engine bay

With an NSX IT IS NOT A MYTH with this car and I have the invoice to prove just that.

Let me guess you drive a tow truck

 

Looks like you should read the thread. Sounds like "Accord reliability" is a bit of a myth.

 

i would prefer (stock to stock) the NSX over the rx7... now, when i put my ls1 in the rx7, it becomes a different story...

 

Interesting.. I was also just thinking about LS1 FD.. But not sure if I want another FD body in the house.. hmm

 

well you live very close to Hinson, so i would go there and take a ride in one...

 

A civic doesn't carry a $70K to $90K price tag with similar performance numbers to a car half its price. My point was, for the amount they were charging to have a model in the price range of the Skyline in Japan, you didn't get a very decent bang for the buck when compared to cars of similar performance. My question was, what makes a car considered to be an exotic, not just the self labeled NSX which I DON'T consider to be an exotic, just an overpriced Japanese sportscar. Phil gave some info he found or remembers. So the question was a blanket question, not just specific to the nsx in the thread. About the weight, magazines wet themselves and owners like the brag about their car being all aluminum and being lightweight as if that helps justify their purchase and I used the FD as a comparison to shoot that down since it's lighter to begin with (although I'm sure FD owners back in 93-95 used the weight as a reason they wanted the car as well, I know I did when I got mine in 94). Comparing a civic's weight to an FD isn't on the same level of reasoning since they aren't cars in similar price range or performance range, but the NSX and FD are similar atleast in performance. Also Honda doesn't make a big deal to make sure how light their civics and accords are in ads and magazine reviews...because those potential buyers aren't interested in that information, but the FD and NSX owners were informed as to the extensive weight savings the manufacturers went through to reach a specific lb/hp goal they had set for the model. I don't recall seeing a civic ad telling us how it's now at 1lb/15hp. Let's keep it to apples and apples for the sake of comparison in this thread.

Tim

 

Cool, nice 75 and sunny, I was having a good day so why not drive the NSX.

Well it did start today (that's a plus) so lets drop by work and see what's going on (being self-employed has some benefits like (do I or don't I work today)) just ended up taking a nice long lunch with an employee. Talked about a new line we are going to wholesale for Costco.com.

Drop him off back at work than hit the freeway going home and than bam the speedo needle goes dead. WTF: all the other gauges are working than the "Traction Control" dummy light comes on soon followed by the "Check Engine" and now the damn car won't go over 20-25mph. Hit the tracking control override button NOT WORKING

OK my off-ramp is next so hazards on and limp home at 20mph on the side streets home.
Read up on "dead speedo" on NSX Prime oh yah happens all the time no matter what year the speed sensor on top of the transmission goes out or the plug gets loose/dirty but it's under the Damn airbox.

Taking out the airbox is a bitch as it has a snorkel that goes outside the rear fender to the side scoop.

Now that BITCH will sit for a few weeks until I want another adventure in fixing/driving (or was that driving to fix?) the ******* thing.

NSX = Honda reliability Honda

 

Well, I've only read about half of this thread, but it's very interesting to me since I went thru this exact dilemma about 2 years ago. I actually went so far as to bid on a ’92 NSX on ebay, sight unseen. It was auctioned by a dealer in Erie Pa. Sweet car, owned by a local collector, less than 20K miles as I recall. I didn’t win, which turned out to be a blessing. I subsequently looked at and drove several local cars, all very clean 1992-95 models. My advice – be sure to drive the car before you buy. Sounds like a no-brainer, but I almost made the mistake of not doing this. I’ve always loved the NSX – great looks (timeless like the FD to me), reasonably reliable, always got fantastic reviews from the car mags, etc. First one I actually drove was a ’93 w/ about 33K miles on the clock. Drove up in my FD and the dealer let me take it out alone. I have to tell you I was pretty disappointed. It struck me as slow, and my FD is pretty much bone stock. If you’ve ever driven an S2000 it’s similar – you have to get the revs way up to make real power. I’m not young enough to want to hit 7K rpms on every shift! Anyway, I just didn’t go “wow, this is so much better than my RX-7, I have to have this”. (btw, I drove a C6 vette and had the same reaction).
I really was shocked, to be honest, because I was so sure this was the car I wanted. I drove 1 or 2 others and decided if I was going to do this I’d have to add an SC to get some low end power. In the end I decided that, for the price of admission plus the SC, I’d rather hold on to my 7. The next spring (at 96K miles) I dropped a new motor and 99-spec turbos in my one-owner FD and never looked back.
Having said all this, I wouldn’t fault anyone for going with an NSX. It’s still a great car, but after 13+ years I still love driving the 7. -Randy

 

Jeff, you crack me up with your NSX experience. I know its not in the same catagory as your NSX, but my last gen Legend coupe LS(next line down from NSX) also has bad speedo (speed sensor) that comes on and off. And when it goes out, all my warning lights come on.

Also its my 2nd engine after my first one over heated.

I guess I should make a post on NSX prime and see how many people are having issues with their NSX..

 

When I looked at one at a dealership a few years ago I had one of the salesman open the rear hatch so I could check out the engine. While doing so the divider between the glass and the engine broke off and they had to call a tech to fix it. $80,000 for that? No thanks.
I think a regular old C6 though much more common would make a better DD. Or if you wanted some rare one of the last year Esprit would be pretty killer.

 

Randy,

Thats interesting.. When I was comparing MX5 to other Japanese convertibles, I drove the 06 S2k. I liked it, but definitely not compariable to my FD.

Unfortunately, there aren't that many NSX around my area. I did however found a guy in Huntsville who is willing to let me ride and maybe let me drive. Most of the ones I'm looking at are at least 200-300 miles away from my area.

 

thats exactly what im thinkin
its like sayin i have an exotic kia supercar

 

Good luck, I have a bunch of cars (It's a big joke with my family) and the NSX is the biggest pile. I tried to fix all the little things and learn about the car. Just like I did with my 1st Rx7. I gave it time and the benefit that it could be a great car with time and a few bolt ons. Now I have over 12k in intakes, Headers, Superchargers, test pipes, exhausts, quick shifters, ect, ect.

I just KNEW I would make this car great. Now my girlfriend won't evan ride in the thing. She gets tried of me having to call her a get a ride or jump the car to get home.

Anyway I think I am shunned for not "understanding" my exotic NSX and they (world of Prime) take the NSX world way to seriously. They can't evan joke about it being an Accord with the motor in the back.

So now I just lurk on Prime as most of my posts magically disappear?? about having any issue with it. The people on Prime have an uptight attitude about how the ~$90k+ car has so many problems but they don't admit to it (it's an exotic you know) and they claim Ferrari's have more problems?

The guy that sold me the car told me strait out that this was his second NSX and they need a lot of work. I laughed it off after all the reading I had done I just thought he was joking

I feel stupid for buying this thing. Thinking it would be so much more reliable than the FD and almost as fast, fun to drive.

So as for Prime, screw them I'll just Rant and Vent here. I see another poor soul thinking about getting an NSX in this section. I hope he reads my posts or buys MY CAR

 

Actually, you just proved my point. Pick any measurement: weight, HP, turning radius, stopping distance, skid pad numbers, etc... No matter what you pick, each person is going to pick "what matters to them". Saying an FD is lighter than an NSX is pointless except to the few that care, just as saying a Civic weighs less than an FD.

People buy cars for all sorts of reasons. Being the fastest on the road isn't necessarily the only one that matters to 'everyone'. If that were the case, cars like the Scion Tc wouldn't sell. Some people don't care about all out speed. Heck, Ferrari's and Porsche's aren't necessarily the fastest cars built, but they represent something most cars don't: prestige. i.e. having the money to afford one. Look at the people who buy FD's, sorry buy the word prestige doesn't fit.

Take a look here and count how many FD's you see:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75531

Performance or not, the NSX is viewed in a completely different light than the FD. While Jeff keeps ranting about little problems with his NSX, I'd take those problems rather than going through engines every few years.

For some people, they just like the 'look' of the car. 90% of the people that buy FD's are in that catagory which is why the FD got such a bad name (i.e. people like the look but not the maintenance). Other people like cars that are a bare to take to the limits like Porsches. The NSX is probably the most balanced car I've ever been in up until the Elise (never been in a Ferrari 360 but I hear they are also extremely balanced). Some people like balanced, hand-made, expensive cars, some don't.

 

Thanks for all the input Jeff. Pretty interesting stuff, makes my FD seem a hell of a lot more reliable, and at about 200 more hp than an NSX to boot

 

**** the nsx. Its a really nice car, but really expensive. Both cars handle very well, the rx7 you can make faster for cheaper, and they are both nice looking

 

Any car that is already turbo-charged you can make faster cheaper. The costs signifigantly go up when you add FI on a NA car of any sort. Look at the costs to add FI to a Vette, BMW M3, Viper, etc... its not any cheaper.

 

I agree with Mahjik, being "Fast" and "better" would also comes back to the point of view of one individual.

I like the FD. For me it's as if there's no car out there that's better than my FD (apart from those Italians and Germans breed I cant afford). This is wrong I know, but I'm already biassed to the FD. I'd even live with the problems it had caused when I owned one. And now, I"m still craving for another one even after I spent 18 months in hell and having a **** box with so many things to replace ^being an ageing car^ and the headache ^the nature of FD problems^. I'd also say "heck, I prefer to own a souped-up FD than a mercedes CLK350 or an E46 330ci" simply because my heart's all for the FD and the rotary engine scene.

So yeah, I'm with Mahjik all the way. It all comes down to yourself which do you think is good and whether you'll be willing to live with it.

 

I hear that "balanced" comment all the time? I don't know why? The FD has a better or higher AutoX rating/class than an NSX so I would think it out handles the NSX (stock VS stock) but I don't AutoX so correct me if I'm wrong.

If I remember correctly the FD has a higher skid pad rating too (Car and Driver). More power too but we know that.

As far as motors go the NSX has a timing belt that fails. The damn things about 4' long as it go's around 4 overhead cams in a V6 configuration. A block can cost ~$8k or more with a rebuild cost of ~$15k+ depending if your Titanium rods can be used. Most people replace the rods with a non Ti rod as the stock Ti rods are permanently attached to the pistons.

So to go more that 6-9psi of boost requires most of the reciprocating assembly to be replaced and the top of the block has to have a welded block to connect the floating cylinders. Yes that's right the heads hold the cylinders in place the cooling jacket completely envelops the cylinders. So to hold pressure they must be sleeved and decked with a welded on plate.

SO ALL YOUR FD STUFF LOOKS CHEAP NOW?

Mahjik..............my cars for sale.

 

Jeff,

"balanced" doesn't have really anything to do with "skid pad" numbers or how fast you can get a car around an AutoX course. It has more to do with how quickly (or not) the car can get out of control.

I instructed a student about a year or so ago with a SC'd latest generation NSX. He did about everything wrong you can do on a road course and the car never batted an eye. I can tell you had he done any of those things in an FD, he would have been eating dirt or worse, a wall.

http://www.darylsphotos.com/4-13-205...rior%20042.htm

The thing about balanced cars is that it can give the driver more confidence to push the car further and further. If you are in a "squirly" car, the likely hood of you wanting to push it and feel good about is going to be slim to none unless you just don't value life. I'm not an AutoX fan. So whether or not a car does great in AutoX doesn't really mean squat to me. How well it can handle on a road course is more important in my book and the NSX has been showing it well in the JGTC for years.

It basically like the same argument people have about the Supra not being able to "turn".